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2023 Vs 2017

Mklein13 said:
The fact that you called it a tie between Jeff Thomas and George blows my ******* mind. Thomas did more freshman year than George has done in 2 years.
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Now compare Thomas with Harrell and Joseph. I'm willing to bet combined they will blow away his 2017 numbers. Maybe not yards per catch but receptions and touchdowns. Thomas had 17 catches and 2 touchdowns.
 
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Page305 said:
Definitely had to stop reading after you graded the WRs as a draw. Give me Berrios and Richards over ANYBODY in that room now. By FAR.
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I think you'll be surprised based on some feedback on a few guys in that room..

But I will say.. I'm taking the 2023 WR room (outlook/expectation) over 2017 (in hindsight) 100% of the time. Richards was hurt all year and played 8 games. Maybe healthy in 3-4 of them. It was just true freshman Jeff Thomas and then Cager wasn't very good. I remember they had nobody stepping up and then Langham made those catches and ended up starting games because of it. Berrios was the GUY on that team in the WR room and it wasn't close.

I think X can give you exactly what Berrios gave us in 2017. A healthy Colbie Young is far beyond anything Langham and Cager were in 2017. Harrell (5th year) is the comp to true freshman JT and that one isn't very close. I'm taking Harrell's speed and experience all day. Lots of guys can be what AR was playing on his injured hamstring.. before the vertebrae issue. Lots of people forget how poor Dugan's WR room was operated..
 
Pentagon Cane said:
Now compare Thomas with Harrell and Joseph. I'm willing to bet combined they will blow away his 2017 numbers. Maybe not yards per catch but receptions and touchdowns. Thomas had 17 catches and 2 touchdowns.
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At this current moment Thomas over Joseph just because Joseph hasn’t played a college snap yet but yes I think Joseph beats his freshman year numbers for sure.
 
Stopped reading at WR is a draw 😂 with AR and Berrios on the roster I would take those guys with no one else on the team over our entire group of WR’s this year.
 
Hufftwoseven said:
Stopped reading at WR is a draw 😂 with AR and Berrios on the roster I would take those guys with no one else on the team over our entire group of WR’s this year.
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I knew I’d get flak for the WR comparison, as I stated 2017 had the better top 2 but 2023 is far more rounded. This season we have:

- Harrel
- Joseph
- Washington
- Smith
- George
- Young
- Restrepo

And Ladson/Redding as our 8/9th WRs.

Iv heard @Cribby @JayCane20 @DMoney all talk about how vastly improved our WRs will be in this system plus the infusion of talent we have brought in.

Against our hardest opponents Thomas went:

- 2 catches 22 yards @FSU
- 0 Catches 0 Yards Vs Vtech
- 2 Catches 24 Yards Vs ND

Thomas Blew up more the year after in his Sophmore season and I am willing to bet J. George can match 17 Catch for 340 in this system.

Restrepo has the tools to match berrios (he also wasn’t ultra productive the year before)

I’m confident that Harrel/Young impact the game similar to Richards and RayRay/Smith/Washington are more talented than any of the backups 2017 had.

It’s easy to go off our WR production from last year but If you add in the fact we

- now have a WR friendly offense
- added 5 WRs this year
- we have a real WR coach in K. Beard
- Natural Progression from Smith/George (which we’ve heard about multiple times)

It all adds up to this group at LEAST matching 2017
 
StevoBevo said:
I knew I’d get flak for the WR comparison, as I stated 2017 had the better top 2 but 2023 is far more rounded. This season we have:

- Harrel
- Joseph
- Washington
- Smith
- George
- Young
- Restrepo

And Ladson/Redding as our 8/9th WRs.

Iv heard @Cribby @JayCane20 @DMoney all talk about how vastly improved our WRs will be in this system plus the infusion of talent we have brought in.

Against our hardest opponents Thomas went:

- 2 catches 22 yards @FSU
- 0 Catches 0 Yards Vs Vtech
- 2 Catches 24 Yards Vs ND

Thomas Blew up more the year after in his Sophmore season and I am willing to bet J. George can match 17 Catch for 340 in this system.

Restrepo has the tools to match berrios (he also wasn’t ultra productive the year before)

I’m confident that Harrel/Young impact the game similar to Richards and RayRay/Smith/Washington are more talented than any of the backups 2017 had.

It’s easy to go off our WR production from last year but If you add in the fact we

- now have a WR friendly offense
- added 5 WRs this year
- we have a real WR coach in K. Beard
- Natural Progression from Smith/George (which we’ve heard about multiple times)

It all adds up to this group at LEAST matching 2017
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Again Thomas did more freshman year than George has done in his first two years here.
 
Mklein13 said:
Again Thomas did more freshman year than George has done in his first two years here.
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It’s not exactly that I think George & Thomas are Comparable. That’s more a Harrel/Thomas comparison.

In a Lashlee System George had 7 Rec for 183 as a true Freshman, got hurt in 2022 for the beginning and also had to deal with a Gattis offense and now he’s a 3rd Year Healthy JR back in a offense more similar to lashlees. I wouldn’t be shocked at 20+ Rec for 300+ this season.
 
I think the 2023 team has much better offensive talent than the 2017 team did. 2017 got half a season of Ahmmon Richards and less than half a season of Mark Walton and those guys were probably the best offensive players on the team. Maybe you could make a case for Travis Homer over Walton but it's a toss up for me. The offensive line wasn't bad but it was nothing special. Statistically, they were a very average unit. Mostly because the quarterback play was not good. Malik Rosier was incredibly limited as a passer and any team that loaded up to stop the run and dared him to pass gave us fits. They scored 41 against Notre Dame while only gaining 374 yards. The Irish kept turning the ball over and refused to commit an extra man to the box so Miami just ran it at them over and over from short fields.

I know the 2017 team got everyone excited but they weren't specifically great at anything besides turning over opponents and pulling off miracle plays late in the fourth quarter of games they should have lost. All the offensive luck reverted to the mean in 2018 and they went 7-6.

It's obviously too early to compare the 2023 team to anyone since they haven't even played a game yet but the 2017 team isn't some impossible to reach standard.
 
StevoBevo said:
I knew I’d get flak for the WR comparison, as I stated 2017 had the better top 2 but 2023 is far more rounded. This season we have:

- Harrel
- Joseph
- Washington
- Smith
- George
- Young
- Restrepo

And Ladson/Redding as our 8/9th WRs.

Iv heard @Cribby @JayCane20 @DMoney all talk about how vastly improved our WRs will be in this system plus the infusion of talent we have brought in.

Against our hardest opponents Thomas went:

- 2 catches 22 yards @FSU
- 0 Catches 0 Yards Vs Vtech
- 2 Catches 24 Yards Vs ND

Thomas Blew up more the year after in his Sophmore season and I am willing to bet J. George can match 17 Catch for 340 in this system.

Restrepo has the tools to match berrios (he also wasn’t ultra productive the year before)

I’m confident that Harrel/Young impact the game similar to Richards and RayRay/Smith/Washington are more talented than any of the backups 2017 had.

It’s easy to go off our WR production from last year but If you add in the fact we

- now have a WR friendly offense
- added 5 WRs this year
- we have a real WR coach in K. Beard
- Natural Progression from Smith/George (which we’ve heard about multiple times)

It all adds up to this group at LEAST matching 2017
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It's too premature to say something outlandish such as "WR is a draw" if we're comparing them in the rearview mirror (i.e what they've actually done) it's no contest. 2017 is hands down the winner. Besides Young, there isn't a WR on our roster that has done much of anything for us.

Hopefully, at the end of this season, we can say "wow the WRs showed out." But for now, we're going off of potential which our guys have a lot of. Here's to hoping we finally have coaches that can develop them and that they put in the work to realize it.
 
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I was thinking the other day, might be a fun or maybe even sad off-season list.. Build our best team only using players from the last 10years... Is it even a Playoff Team??? If it is... How do they stack up to recent UGA teams? Would actually probably be a lot of guys from the same two years OP mentioned.
 
2016 had injuries pile up and some really tough losses. But had some good wins.

And if you look at that team in the analytics, I believe it finished in the Top 20. So it was a lot better team than its record indicated.

And unless you’re in the SEC West, your analytic ranking is actually a much better predictor of future success than your record. As bad luck and injuries usually even out and your record tends to catch up to your quality of play.

So there were reasons to see 2017 coming.

The 2022 team was just baddddd. Yes we had a lot of injuries. But it wasn’t an unlucky team outside of the fact that we were all unlucky to be fans of them.
 
StevoBevo said:
It’s not exactly that I think George & Thomas are Comparable. That’s more a Harrel/Thomas comparison.

In a Lashlee System George had 7 Rec for 183 as a true Freshman, got hurt in 2022 for the beginning and also had to deal with a Gattis offense and now he’s a 3rd Year Healthy JR back in a offense more similar to lashlees. I wouldn’t be shocked at 20+ Rec for 300+ this season.
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Then why didn't you compare Thomas and Harrell?

Ok but Thomas had to deal with Rosier and Richt's terrible offense. Thomas was open almost every play but Rosier couldn't get him the ball.
 
Hufftwoseven said:
Stopped reading at WR is a draw 😂 with AR and Berrios on the roster I would take those guys with no one else on the team over our entire group of WR’s this year.
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Richards missed half the season and eventually had to retire and Berrios' career season was 55 catches for 670 yards. Our leading receiver should be able to beat that pretty easily this year.
 
KingB02 said:
You are looking at it as what the 2017 squad did DURING that season and how they looked coming INTO that season. A LOT of question marks on that team coming into that season. I mean Barrios was X before he has his breakout season that year. He hadn’t done that much prior to that season. Also, FSU wasn’t great at that time either and it took a Miracle to beat them and obviously we hade a better defense also.
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Rellyrell said:
Glad I wasn’t the only one. Lol

I literally said I can’t con’t 2 read this chit after that. Like I don’t get y ppl keep chitting on JT4. Comparing him to George is offensive af. Lemme remind folks about Jeff.

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**** bro was a ******* beast!! He got in his own way, but at the same time if I was that good and was criminally underused I would go off too! kid should have had 10 plus touches per game on offense alone!
 
DTP said:
I think the 2023 team has much better offensive talent than the 2017 team did. 2017 got half a season of Ahmmon Richards and less than half a season of Mark Walton and those guys were probably the best offensive players on the team. Maybe you could make a case for Travis Homer over Walton but it's a toss up for me. The offensive line wasn't bad but it was nothing special. Statistically, they were a very average unit. Mostly because the quarterback play was not good. Malik Rosier was incredibly limited as a passer and any team that loaded up to stop the run and dared him to pass gave us fits. They scored 41 against Notre Dame while only gaining 374 yards. The Irish kept turning the ball over and refused to commit an extra man to the box so Miami just ran it at them over and over from short fields.

I know the 2017 team got everyone excited but they weren't specifically great at anything besides turning over opponents and pulling off miracle plays late in the fourth quarter of games they should have lost. All the offensive luck reverted to the mean in 2018 and they went 7-6.

It's obviously too early to compare the 2023 team to anyone since they haven't even played a game yet but the 2017 team isn't some impossible to reach standard.
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No one is saying 2017 is an impossible to reach standard. But we had 5 or 6 nfl skill players on that offense. I'm not sure we have any right now. None that are slated to get drafted in next year's draft at least.

If you want to speculate and say ray ray is going to be a first rounder in 3 years that's fine, but if we're comparing real results on a cfb field, these are mostly all guys who looked awful last year on our 5-7 squad.
 
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Just throw away the numbers for the wr debate, it’s literally no way u look at jeff thomas and think any wr on this team right now is more talented. The off the field stuff is another story but if we had that level of talent right now in a better offense? Man listen, id be 10x more comfortable with saying 9-3 or even 10-2
 
Rellyrell said:
Glad I wasn’t the only one. Lol

I literally said I can’t con’t 2 read this chit after that. Like I don’t get y ppl keep chitting on JT4. Comparing him to George is offensive af. Lemme remind folks about Jeff.

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Dawg..... I probably was the biggest fan of George in here during his recruitment.

And that boy is not even on the same planet as JT4. Not in HS or College. These ppl sick man lol
 
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