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crossover22[]_[] said:
How many 4 and 5 stars on dukes roster?

Now how many on miami?


Duke is a better football team under Elko with much much much less talent.


You just dont understand football.
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And Elko is such a great coach that he's 6-5. Do you want to wager on whether or not he takes over a blue-blood program and competes for playoff spots?
 
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WanderFranco said:
And Elko is such a great coach that he's 6-5. Do you want to wager on whether or not he takes over a blue-blood program and competes for playoff spots?
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lmfao!!!!!!!!!


How many 4 and 5 stars does duke have?


6 wins per year at Duke gets you a job for life.



Incredible the football knowledge of our fans. Unreal!!!
 
crossover22[]_[] said:
lmfao!!!!!!!!!


How many 4 and 5 stars does duke have?


6 wins per year at Duke gets you a job for life.



Incredible the football knowledge of our fans. Unreal!!!
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Great, so Elko is a great coach, he just doesn't have the talent. Do you want to wager on whether or not he goes to a better program and competes for championships? Or will he be another Justin Fuente, who was going to "push everyone's ---- in" once he got to a P5 program?
 
See, all of the examples are guys who still don't win anything. They get the "lesser talent" excuse.

Why is it that none of them ever go on to win anything?
 
WanderFranco said:
Great, so Elko is a great coach, he just doesn't have the talent. Do you want to wager on whether or not he goes to a better program and competes for championships? Or will he be another Justin Fuente, who was going to "push everyone's ---- in" once he got to a P5 program?
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Why the **** would I bet on dukes coach. Im a miami fan.


I asked you last year to bet who would have a better record this season. Mario or lane. You declined.


All I know is Elko is better at coaching football than Mario. Clawson at wake is better than Mario. Neither school gets 4 star talent.
 
I still support Mario, but anyone saying that he has done a good job as head coach here is being disingenuous. His record looks like Randy Shannon and worse than Al Golden's when Golden was dealing with the Shapiro scandal.
 
crossover22[]_[] said:
Why the **** would I bet on dukes coach. Im a miami fan.


I asked you last year to bet who would have a better record this season. Mario or lane. You declined.


All I know is Elko is better at coaching football than Mario. Clawson at wake is better than Mario. Neither school gets 4 star talent.
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That's so typical of our fan base to point at a 4-7 coach and talk about how good he is. Yeah, crushing it.

So you, like everyone else, can't come up with a guy who has taken a mid program and turned it around by year two for sustained success.
 
WanderFranco said:
That's so typical of our fan base to point at a 4-7 coach and talk about how good he is. Yeah, crushing it.

So you, like everyone else, can't come up with a guy who has taken a mid program and turned it around by year two for sustained success.
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I’m still not understanding what your point is to the discussion.

That it’s hard to take a middling program to compete for championships? No **** lol. Or that Mario deserves all the time he can get?

Duke is also 6-5, not 4-7.
 
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WeBallinBoyz said:
I’m still not understanding what your point is to the discussion.

That it’s hard to take a middling program to compete for championships? No **** lol. Or that Mario deserves all the time he can get?

Duke is also 6-5, not 4-7.
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You missed where he mentioned Clawson. Slow down and read.

So you agree that it's difficult to turn around a mid program that quickly? But since we're DA U it should happen immediately?
 
WanderFranco said:
I mean, Washington was in NY6 bowls consistently under Petersen. They had a two year nose dive under Jimmy Lake. Did Washington need to be rebuilt?
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I guess that depends on what you define as a rebuild...

Jimmy Lake got fired for assaulting a player on his team & their locker room was pretty toxic.

But by that same token, one could argue that Miami had a 10 win season & made the ACC title game in 2017 & had a 8-3 season in 2020.

An interesting aside in this discussion that’s being lost is one of the things that Mario was touted for upon being hired at Miami was how quickly he was able to turn around Oregon, so I guess that would beg the question if they needed to be rebuilt before he got there.
 
WanderFranco said:
You missed where he mentioned Clawson. Slow down and read.

So you agree that it's difficult to turn around a mid program that quickly? But since we're DA U it should happen immediately?
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Who said it was easy?

We just pointed out coaches who can come in and immediately make an impact. Mario has completely gutted the roster, gone through 4 coordinators, and experienced virtually no success, while numerous other programs have and then some.

First, what’s your definition of sustained success? You’re asking for a very specific set of conditions.
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
Who said it was easy?

We just pointed out coaches who can come in and immediately make an impact. Mario has completely gutted the roster, gone through 4 coordinators, and experienced virtually no success, while numerous other programs have and then some.

First, what’s your definition of sustained success? You’re asking for a very specific set of conditions.
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At Miami, we want sustained success, meaning, we expect to at least be in the conversation for ACC titles and playoff spots. Do we agree on that?

In reality, we never even sniff the ACC title game, much less a playoff spot. We are a mid-tier program and have been for 20 years. There is not an example of a coach who has fixed a program like ours to a level we expect, outside of maybe Nick Saban. But here we are less than two years in and we're ready to fire another coach. He's not good enough. He was good enough at Oregon, but he can't do it here. Rinse, repeat, and we continue the same cycle for another 10 years.

The guys you listed who make an impact do so on a very temporary basis. Everything has to fall into place for those guys to have their one year of success, like Dave Clawson. They are not long-term solutions.
 
MiamisMoperiestMopes said:
Kudos to Mario for beating OSU in 2021. It was a great win. They went out 3 weeks later and lost to Stanford who finished 3-9. After OSU, Oregon didn’t face ranked team until Utah (twice). Utes won both games combined 76-17.
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So he didn't have any perfect seasons? Then get him the **** out of Coral Gables. We demand better.
 
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BeastMode said:
Not stand Mario is succeeding. Thanks for pointing some out.

Sark is in year 3 at texas

TCU was a stable program with an extremely veteran team last year. I mean Patterson was there forever. Great year 1 with his players and now look where they are

Washington got an NFL transfer QB and had stability with Peterson for 11 years. Clearly maimi doesn’t even have an nfl QB. I blame Mario but you see my point.

Kiffin is in year 4 at Ole Miss. he doesn’t count

Tenn had a good year one with a 25yr QB transfer. See the trend here with QB’s. Now Tenn is starting to struggle this year.

Duke is 6-5 haha why do ppl keep bringing up Duke as some major turnaround.

Oregon is Mario’s roster plus a old *** 5th he QB who was a 5 star I believe so kind counts for Mario.

You didn’t really make a point. Year 2 not many are succeeding at high levels outside of lanning and then Brohm with Louisville who has played no one this year.

Yes Mario has failed to date I will agree but 95% of coaches in year 2 have. The only way to change quickly is hitting an nfl QB in the portal. Miami hasn’t done it yet.
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R u fcking kidding me? Lmao

Thank u 4 for being a conscientious member of the benevolent imbecile crew.

No the FCK not, 95% of coaches have failed in year two.

Brian Kelly: inherited a 6-7 LSU team:
Went 10-4 in yr one, making it to the SECCG
Currently 8-3 as the #15 team in the nation
(3 losses: #5 FSU, #13 Ole Miss, #8 Bama)

Kalen DeBoer: inherited a 4-8 UW team
Went 11-2 in year 1
Currently 11-0 in the PAC-12 CG & in CFP hunt

Jon Summerall: inherited a 5-7 Troy team
Went 12-2 year 1
Currently 9-2 year 2

Brent Venables: technically inherited a 11-2 OU team
Went 6-7 year 1
Currently 9-2 in year 2 and #13 in the nation

Jerry f’ing Krill: inherited a 2-10 NM State team
Went 7-6 year 1
Currently 9-3 year 2 (just beat Auburn)

Rhett Lashlee: inherited a 8-4 SMU team
Went 7-6 year 1
Currently 9-2 year 2

You wanna talk about Kiffin?
Year 1: 5-5
Year 2: 10-3

I’m not going to even include guys like Lincoln Riley who inherited a 4-8 USC team, Sonny Dykes who inherited a 5-7 TCU team, nor will I remotely get in to the fact that Lanning completely flipped Mario’s roster and is having more success w/ his own players in year 2 than year 1.

****, I won’t get into the fact Mike Elko currently has a better 2 year trajectory over Cristobal despite not having ANY previous HC experience or the fact he took over a 3-9 Duke program. I’m not even including coaches who have taken over perennial sub .500 programs & have made them bowl eligible, which are high accomplishments by their standards.

There’s not one coach who has failed more based upon a team that’s inherited (7-5), resources given, salary, roster, schedule, than Mario Cristobal. He’s been an absolute train wreck of a hire, “thus far.” He could very well become the greatest HC in our history by next yr, & I still won’t throw him to the wolves until I see yr 3; BUT, u’re being disingenuous af trying to throw out a statement that’s completely false to excuse or justify the bull chit happening thus far.

And for the “technically” crowd who’s championing close losses; since when did we start providing cookies and cool points for close defeats?

-So I guess in 2004 we were “technically” Nat’l Champs since we only lost by 3 to UNC, lost in OT to Clemson, & only loss by 6 to a top 10 team, huh?

-So I guess in 2006, we were “technically” a 11 win team, huh? U know, since we only lost by 3 to a top 15 FSU team, we only lost by 7, 7, & 1 to back-to-back-to-back top 25 teams, huh?

-Maybe I need to rethink how Shannon, Golden, & Diaz were here since we’re now crowing Mario for keeping us in close games.

I literally can’t believe the fan base I was once so proud of b/c of how confident we were, are now slowly but surely becoming pussified, not wanting or expecting more.
 
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flagator86 said:
Same with Billy. The supporters of Miami blame everything else but Mario (as with Billy) and the ones that are realistically critical can point out flaws.

Everyone points out Norvell and FSU, but forget they got here because they realized after a year and a half that Taggart wasn’t it and cut bait. They always leave that part out. FSU would be a 3 win team if Taggart was “given more time”
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on top of that, for every norvell, there are 1 million randy Shannons. very rare a guy going 500 to ub 500 ends up turning it around magically. Harbaugh won 10 games in his first 2 years each
 
BeastMode said:
Which ones are actually doing great?

Everyone complaining about Mario please show me better coaches who took over **** rosters doing well in?

Louisville is 1 and their schedule is the weakest **** of all time
SMU? Who cares it’s a weak conference.


Now how many are struggling just like Mario. This is college football now. It takes a few year to turn around programs and rosters. That’s just reality.

Please share more coaches if you think of them.
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