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WeBallinBoyz said:
This will be a fun thread. Here’s the answer to your slurpism + lack of college football knowledge.

Brett Venebles
Year 1: 5-7
Year 2: 9-2 (losses to #7 Texas, #23 Oklahoma State)

Mike Elko
Year 1: 9-4
Year 2: 6-5 (*Lost starting QB after beginning year 6-1, key wins include Clemson and NC State)

Dan Lanning
Year 1: 10-3
Year 2: 10-1 (loss to #4 Washington)

Kalen DeBoer
Year 1: 11-2
Year 2: 11-0

Brian Kelly
Year 1: 10-4
Year 2: 8-3 (losses to #4 FSU, #7 Alabama, #13 Ole Miss)

Sonny Dykes
Year 1: 13-1
Year 2: 5-6 (lost 11 starters + slew of contributors from his Natty team)

Rhett Lashlee
Year 1: 7-6
Year 2: 9-2 (7-0 in conference)

Marcus Freeman
Year 1: 9-4
Year 2: 8-3 (losses to #1 Ohio State, #10 Louisville, @Clemson)

Billy Napier
Year 1: 6-7
Year 2: 5-6

Joey McGuire (Texas Tech)
Year 1: 8-4
Year 2: 6-5 (also lost his starting QB for a fair portion of the year)


Mario Cristobal is performing like Billy Napier. Not even accounting for first-year coaches like Jeff Brohm (10-1).
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I feel sick.
 
Jonnyblaze said:
I feel sick.
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Why? That list shows a bunch of teams who all had recent success. I'm still waiting for the coach who came in and turned a program around by year two and then continued to have long-term success.

Look at the top of the rankings. It's the same established programs year after year. The one team up there that required a rebuild is Florida State, and their guy was 5-7 in year two.
 
WanderFranco said:
Why? That list shows a bunch of teams who all had recent success. I'm still waiting for the coach who came in and turned a program around by year two and then continued to have long-term success.

Look at the top of the rankings. It's the same established programs year after year. The one team up there that required a rebuild is Florida State, and their guy was 5-7 in year two.
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You’re right. Mario is Kirby Smart mixed with Nick Saban and a dash of Ryan Day.

Just give him the full decade, we’ll get to 9 wins eventually.

By the way, Kirby went 8-5 Year 1, then 13-2 year 2.

Saban went 2-6 Year 1 at Bama, then 12-2.

How’s Mario doing Year 2?
 
WanderFranco said:
Mario won at Ohio State. Apparently he has the capability of winning games.
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And he won Rose Bowls and conference championships, but I don’t think anybody questions whether or not he was able to win some games earlier in his career.
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
You’re right. Mario is Kirby Smart mixed with Nick Saban and a dash of Ryan Day.

Just give him the full decade, we’ll get to 9 wins eventually.
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Actually, I didn't bring up Mario. That's your 3rd grade ability to read a post and respond accordingly.

Try reading it again, and then show me the coaches who have turned a program around by year two and then had long-term success.
 
1mg of Epi said:
And he won Rose Bowls and conference championships, but I don’t think anybody questions whether or not he was able to win some games earlier in his career.
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Soooooo......

If he can put a team together that can win at that level, what would hold him back from doing the same at Miami? Most around here aren't willing to accept the answer.
 
WanderFranco said:
Why? That list shows a bunch of teams who all had recent success. I'm still waiting for the coach who came in and turned a program around by year two and then continued to have long-term success.

Look at the top of the rankings. It's the same established programs year after year. The one team up there that required a rebuild is Florida State, and their guy was 5-7 in year two.
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You’re reaching.

Mario has underperformed. Period. I support the guy still because he’s the coach and I want to see him do well, but he’s not it, at least so far. It would be different if we’d had some 8 win seasons or something, but he has a losing record in the ACC and the team gets worse as the year goes on.
 
WanderFranco said:
Actually, I didn't bring up Mario. That's your 3rd grade ability to read a post and respond accordingly.

Try reading it again, and then show me the coaches who have turned a program around by year two and then had long-term success.
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I think you’re the one that has the reading comprehension issue.

The thread is about coaches coming in and experiencing success in a short amount of time, and that Miami isn’t some special circumstance that needs 6 years to fix.

I provided the facts, you didn’t accept answer not because it was wrong, but because you don’t like the answer.

Some need to keep the train going (Venebles), some are improving upon what was set forth (Lanning), some are experiencing success not experienced prior to their arrival (Elko, Brohm, etc.)

And then there’s Mario, and Napier.
 
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BeastMode said:
Stop saying elko. Duke sucks this year.

Kelly brought in a top transfer QB. That’s the key with any of these teams. Same with Washington. Both had/have more talent than Miami in key spots. Ppl don’t realize how bad mannys recruiting was.

Lincoln has been terrible this year with an NFL top qb haha.
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Can you analyze football without writing "haha" in every sentence?
 
Jonnyblaze said:
You’re reaching.

Mario has underperformed. Period. I support the guy still because he’s the coach and I want to see him do well, but he’s not it, at least so far. It would be different if we’d had some 8 win seasons or something, but he has a losing record in the ACC and the team gets worse as the year goes on.
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Good lord.

Just show me who has done it. He didn't walk into a 10-win program and run it into a ditch. We have been NC State for 20 years. Show me the guys who have turned a program around - FOR GOOD - right away.
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
I think you’re the one that has the reading comprehension issue.

The thread is about coaches coming in and experiencing success in a short amount of time, and that Miami isn’t some special circumstance that needs 6 years to fix.

I provided the facts, you didn’t accept answer not because it was wrong, but because you don’t like the answer.

Some need to keep the train going (Venebles), some are improving upon what was set forth (Lanning), some are experiencing success not experienced prior to their arrival (Elko, Brohm, etc.)

And then there’s Mario, and Napier.
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And I have asked multiple times now for this list of coaches who have done it.

Every guy on that list is either at a program that has already had recent success, or it's a guy who hit it big with an experienced roster one time before coming back down to earth.

Again: who has turned a program around from 20 years of futility within two years, and kept that success going.
 
BeastMode said:
Which ones are actually doing great?

Everyone complaining about Mario please show me better coaches who took over **** rosters doing well in?

Louisville is 1 and their schedule is the weakest **** of all time
SMU? Who cares it’s a weak conference.


Now how many are struggling just like Mario. This is college football now. It takes a few year to turn around programs and rosters. That’s just reality.

Please share more coaches if you think of them.
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it’s more so about PROGRESS. Miami (and my Gators for that matter) seem to be the same team that we saw week 1 last season.
 
hoops156 said:
people making excuses for mediocrity bc Mario is a nice guy
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Same with Billy. The supporters of Miami blame everything else but Mario (as with Billy) and the ones that are realistically critical can point out flaws.

Everyone points out Norvell and FSU, but forget they got here because they realized after a year and a half that Taggart wasn’t it and cut bait. They always leave that part out. FSU would be a 3 win team if Taggart was “given more time”
 
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flagator86 said:
Same with Billy. The supporters of Miami blame everything else but Mario (as with Billy) and the ones that are realistically critical can point out flaws.

Everyone points out Norvell and FSU, but forget they got here because they realized after a year and a half that Taggart wasn’t it and cut bait. They always leave that part out. FSU would be a 3 win team if Taggart was “given more time”
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And that's why Norvell came in and had immediate success by year two.
 
BeastMode said:
Duke is 6-5 and lost their starting QB.

Miami 6-5. Their starting QB is also injured and mentally checked out. So how is Duke a success. Neither Miami or Duke are a success at the moment which is my point
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How many 4 and 5 stars on dukes roster?

Now how many on miami?


Duke is a better football team under Elko with much much much less talent.


You just dont understand football.
 
Stop it.
We won two ACC games this year.
We’re worse than when Manny left after 2 seasons with Mario and a blank checkbook.
Almost any coach in NCAA could have done the same or better job than Mario with the resources at his disposal.

Mario’s main problem is he can’t seem to learn and adapt. I don’t doubt his passion or work ethic.
In my opinion, the most critical component for success is the ability to adapt.
It doesn’t matter if you’re talking about evolution of a species, business, political organization or a football team. The ones that adapt and change the fastest within the environment are the most successful.
Not the most hard working, not the strongest, not the smartest, but the ones that can get away from what is not working and develop attributes that do work.
Mario seems incapable of this. He’s stuck doing the same thing over and over and keeps getting the same results.
 
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