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If Patke is the 10th coach, that would be a total missed opportunity by Richt.

Bama hired Pete Golding, was DC at UTEP & Southern Miss
Oh St hired Alex Grinch, was DC at Wash St for 3 years
TAMU hired Jerry Montgomery, was a DL coach with the Green Bay Packers & before that was DL coach with Oklahoma
Michigan hired Ed Warinner, was OL coach for Oh St from 2012-16 & was OL Coach at Minnesota last year, was also Charlie Weiss's OL coach at ND & Kansas, over 20 years experience
Texas hired Herb Hand, was OL coach at Auburn, Penn St & West Va 20+ years experience
Penn St hired David Corley, was WR's coach at Army & before that RB's coach at UCONN for 3 years
Auburn hired Marcus Woodson, was CB's coach at Memphis for 2 years & CB's coach at Fresno St for 2 years before that

There's several more, but the point is clear. Just about every major program in P5 Football used this 10th field position to upgrade the Coaching side of things & brought in well versed coaches with legitimate experience elsewhere.

Not tryna bash Patke but he needs to cut his teeth somewhere else for a few years before we elevate him to a 10th coaching spot.

Don't even try to tell me **** about his supposed "crootin" I'm not hearing it. Richt needs to stop being so **** stubborn, there's a **** ton of coaches out there available & just settling for Patke is a short sighted move on his part.

I support Richt 100% & think he's a great Coach, but that doesn't mean that everything he does is perfect & is beyond accountability. If every single major program is hiring legit coaches for this new 10th assistant there's no reason he's not seizing this opportunity to add someone that's more than just a QC guy.

We need an experienced coach that can bring their own wisdom to the practice field & meeting rooms for that 10th spot.
 
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Liberty City El said:
If Patke is the 10th coach, that would be a total missed opportunity by Richt.

Bama hired Pete Golding, was DC at UTEP & Southern Miss
Oh St hired Alex Grinch, was DC at Wash St for 3 years
TAMU hired Jerry Montgomery, was a DL coach with the Green Bay Packers & before that was DL coach with Oklahoma
Michigan hired Ed Warinner, was OL coach for Oh St from 2012-16 & was OL Coach at Minnesota last year, was also Charlie Weiss's OL coach at ND & Kansas, over 20 years experience
Texas hired Herb Hand, was OL coach at Auburn, Penn St & West Va 20+ years experience
Penn St hired David Corley, was WR's coach at Army & before that RB's coach at UCONN for 3 years
Auburn hired Marcus Woodson, was CB's coach at Memphis for 2 years & CB's coach at Fresno St for 2 years before that

There's several more, but the point is clear. Just about every major program in P5 Football used this 10th field position to upgrade the Coaching side of things & brought in well versed coaches with legitimate experience elsewhere.

Not tryna bash Patke but he needs to cut his teeth somewhere else for a few years before we elevate him to a 10th coaching spot.

Don't even try to tell me **** about his supposed "crootin" I'm not hearing it. Richt needs to stop being so **** stubborn, there's a **** ton of coaches out there available & just settling for Patke is a short sighted move on his part.

I support Richt 100% & think he's a great Coach, but that doesn't mean that everything he does is perfect & is beyond accountability. If every single major program is hiring legit coaches for this new 10th assistant there's no reason he's not seizing this opportunity to add someone that's more than just a QC guy.

We need an experienced coach that can bring their own wisdom to the practice field & meeting rooms for that 10th spot.
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This x1000
 
Exactly. Richt bringing an experienced playcaller shouldn't be viewed as a failure on his part but rather another coach to enhance the offensive play calling to take things to the next level.

Not only that, it's another guy with a proven track record to coach up players, rather an extremely green coach that holds no credibility
 
paksat said:
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Tony Perps said:
I’m not sure why it matters. He had the best PPG and and also the most points overall. I’m not counting 2002.

I’m not going to debate whether it’s an “accomplishment.” I’m not that concerned about the offense and my opinion isn’t going to change this offseason. I think he got a lot out of what we had this year.
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1. 2002 was the only season of real significance on offense. Look at the actual data.

2. 2016 wasn't a good season offensively. It was above average if you compare it to only Miami and discard the only season of real significance. In addition, in 2016 we finish 37th overall in scoring offense. What does that say?

3. It isn't an "accomplishment" and you're the one that set the criteria. It isn't even an "accomplishment" compared to other performances at Miami where we've struggled for a long time on offense.

4. Whether Richt makes the obvious and necessary changes on offense depends on his ego. If he doesn't make the necessary changes, then don't expect significant changes on offense. The data at UGA (when he was OC v. not the OC) is overwhelming when it comes to points and yards. They were better when he wasn't calling plays.
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5. Richt's first two years at Miami, from a ppg perspective, are statistically identical to James Coley's first two years at Miami.
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You mean a guy not employed as an OC.
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I'd love to see what coley would have done this year with what we had

especially with no walton, richards or herndon at one point

if you'd rather have coley than, idk what to even say
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Did you seriously read that? Did you make up a conversation in your head?
 
Liberty City El said:
If Patke is the 10th coach, that would be a total missed opportunity by Richt.

Bama hired Pete Golding, was DC at UTEP & Southern Miss
Oh St hired Alex Grinch, was DC at Wash St for 3 years
TAMU hired Jerry Montgomery, was a DL coach with the Green Bay Packers & before that was DL coach with Oklahoma
Michigan hired Ed Warinner, was OL coach for Oh St from 2012-16 & was OL Coach at Minnesota last year, was also Charlie Weiss's OL coach at ND & Kansas, over 20 years experience
Texas hired Herb Hand, was OL coach at Auburn, Penn St & West Va 20+ years experience
Penn St hired David Corley, was WR's coach at Army & before that RB's coach at UCONN for 3 years
Auburn hired Marcus Woodson, was CB's coach at Memphis for 2 years & CB's coach at Fresno St for 2 years before that

There's several more, but the point is clear. Just about every major program in P5 Football used this 10th field position to upgrade the Coaching side of things & brought in well versed coaches with legitimate experience elsewhere.

Not tryna bash Patke but he needs to cut his teeth somewhere else for a few years before we elevate him to a 10th coaching spot.

Don't even try to tell me **** about his supposed "crootin" I'm not hearing it. Richt needs to stop being so **** stubborn, there's a **** ton of coaches out there available & just settling for Patke is a short sighted move on his part.

I support Richt 100% & think he's a great Coach, but that doesn't mean that everything he does is perfect & is beyond accountability. If every single major program is hiring legit coaches for this new 10th assistant there's no reason he's not seizing this opportunity to add someone that's more than just a QC guy.

We need an experienced coach that can bring their own wisdom to the practice field & meeting rooms for that 10th spot.
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How i feel as well..but the way he set up his original coaching staff i can see him going with Patke. Richt seemingly doesnt want no parts of a greybeard coach. We essentially only have them at the line positions..in Kul and Searles..other than that he kinda went with on the job training guys which i dont really understand. Me personally i would like to fill that 10th position with a former hc type guy in holding for a new hc role...or i would scour the big name fcs schools and try to grab one of their guys. Recruiting be ****...quite frankly e need x's and o's and organizational type guys...
 
Liberty City El said:
If Patke is the 10th coach, that would be a total missed opportunity by Richt.

Bama hired Pete Golding, was DC at UTEP & Southern Miss
Oh St hired Alex Grinch, was DC at Wash St for 3 years
TAMU hired Jerry Montgomery, was a DL coach with the Green Bay Packers & before that was DL coach with Oklahoma
Michigan hired Ed Warinner, was OL coach for Oh St from 2012-16 & was OL Coach at Minnesota last year, was also Charlie Weiss's OL coach at ND & Kansas, over 20 years experience
Texas hired Herb Hand, was OL coach at Auburn, Penn St & West Va 20+ years experience
Penn St hired David Corley, was WR's coach at Army & before that RB's coach at UCONN for 3 years
Auburn hired Marcus Woodson, was CB's coach at Memphis for 2 years & CB's coach at Fresno St for 2 years before that

There's several more, but the point is clear. Just about every major program in P5 Football used this 10th field position to upgrade the Coaching side of things & brought in well versed coaches with legitimate experience elsewhere.

Not tryna bash Patke but he needs to cut his teeth somewhere else for a few years before we elevate him to a 10th coaching spot.

Don't even try to tell me **** about his supposed "crootin" I'm not hearing it. Richt needs to stop being so **** stubborn, there's a **** ton of coaches out there available & just settling for Patke is a short sighted move on his part.

I support Richt 100% & think he's a great Coach, but that doesn't mean that everything he does is perfect & is beyond accountability. If every single major program is hiring legit coaches for this new 10th assistant there's no reason he's not seizing this opportunity to add someone that's more than just a QC guy.

We need an experienced coach that can bring their own wisdom to the practice field & meeting rooms for that 10th spot.
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Excellent points. I'd just like to add that our coaching staff by and large is already an inexperienced group. Adding a QC guy who as far as I know hasn't held a full time coaching job anywhere else just makes us even more inexperienced. Hopefully this is just a temporary move to help us through the end of crootin season and we get an experienced guy afterwards.
 
Would have preferred a special teams, LB, or second OL coach. Richt was not going to hire a playcalling OC.

Is the new guy a quality control coach, whose allowed to recruit? Fine, but he’d better prove to be a great recruiter. Our CB coach can’t close on players he’s been personally close to for a decade. The new guy better make up the slack.
 
No, I don’t agree. We scored more points in 2016 than in any season since 2002. Only 4 UM teams since 2002 scored more points than the 2017 team, and two of those teams were only like two points better. He did that with Rosier at QB, virtually no RB depth, and a hobbled #1 WR. He did his best to mask the offensive deficiencies this year, but that fell apart late in the season. Most of my criticisms with Richt’s offense stem from his situational playcalling. I think he goes for it all on second down too often and that puts us in bad third down spots. I also think his 3rd and short and red zone playcalling could use some work, but I’m not that concerned about the offensive system as a whole.
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I'd like to see how the 16 offense stacked up if you only had ppg against power 5 or even fbs. Not every year you get a 70 point stat padding game like he did in 16. That's going to drive any teams ppg up.
 
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Liberty City El said:
If Patke is the 10th coach, that would be a total missed opportunity by Richt.

Bama hired Pete Golding, was DC at UTEP & Southern Miss
Oh St hired Alex Grinch, was DC at Wash St for 3 years
TAMU hired Jerry Montgomery, was a DL coach with the Green Bay Packers & before that was DL coach with Oklahoma
Michigan hired Ed Warinner, was OL coach for Oh St from 2012-16 & was OL Coach at Minnesota last year, was also Charlie Weiss's OL coach at ND & Kansas, over 20 years experience
Texas hired Herb Hand, was OL coach at Auburn, Penn St & West Va 20+ years experience
Penn St hired David Corley, was WR's coach at Army & before that RB's coach at UCONN for 3 years
Auburn hired Marcus Woodson, was CB's coach at Memphis for 2 years & CB's coach at Fresno St for 2 years before that

There's several more, but the point is clear. Just about every major program in P5 Football used this 10th field position to upgrade the Coaching side of things & brought in well versed coaches with legitimate experience elsewhere.

Not tryna bash Patke but he needs to cut his teeth somewhere else for a few years before we elevate him to a 10th coaching spot.

Don't even try to tell me **** about his supposed "crootin" I'm not hearing it. Richt needs to stop being so **** stubborn, there's a **** ton of coaches out there available & just settling for Patke is a short sighted move on his part.

I support Richt 100% & think he's a great Coach, but that doesn't mean that everything he does is perfect & is beyond accountability. If every single major program is hiring legit coaches for this new 10th assistant there's no reason he's not seizing this opportunity to add someone that's more than just a QC guy.

We need an experienced coach that can bring their own wisdom to the practice field & meeting rooms for that 10th spot.
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Majority of these were hired to replace a lost assistant, not truly being added as the 10th assistant
 
The Franchise said:
I'm skeptical of Rick's ability to scheme up the run game from our base formation, which is a shotgun spread set. But when you set QB record numbers with Malik Rosier as your QB you're doing something right.
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I dont the richt wants to run out the shotgun. Rosier cant play under center so thats why it was all shotgun shît last year. He probably wants to run a combination of what he did with kaaya and rosier.

With kaaya there was more under center stuff and they used the fb at times. They mixed that in with the rpo. With rosier it was 100% shotgun and they didn't use much rpo but instead just used regualar read option plays.
 
RyanCane26 said:
Liberty City El said:
If Patke is the 10th coach, that would be a total missed opportunity by Richt.

Bama hired Pete Golding, was DC at UTEP & Southern Miss
Oh St hired Alex Grinch, was DC at Wash St for 3 years
TAMU hired Jerry Montgomery, was a DL coach with the Green Bay Packers & before that was DL coach with Oklahoma
Michigan hired Ed Warinner, was OL coach for Oh St from 2012-16 & was OL Coach at Minnesota last year, was also Charlie Weiss's OL coach at ND & Kansas, over 20 years experience
Texas hired Herb Hand, was OL coach at Auburn, Penn St & West Va 20+ years experience
Penn St hired David Corley, was WR's coach at Army & before that RB's coach at UCONN for 3 years
Auburn hired Marcus Woodson, was CB's coach at Memphis for 2 years & CB's coach at Fresno St for 2 years before that

There's several more, but the point is clear. Just about every major program in P5 Football used this 10th field position to upgrade the Coaching side of things & brought in well versed coaches with legitimate experience elsewhere.

Not tryna bash Patke but he needs to cut his teeth somewhere else for a few years before we elevate him to a 10th coaching spot.

Don't even try to tell me **** about his supposed "crootin" I'm not hearing it. Richt needs to stop being so **** stubborn, there's a **** ton of coaches out there available & just settling for Patke is a short sighted move on his part.

I support Richt 100% & think he's a great Coach, but that doesn't mean that everything he does is perfect & is beyond accountability. If every single major program is hiring legit coaches for this new 10th assistant there's no reason he's not seizing this opportunity to add someone that's more than just a QC guy.

We need an experienced coach that can bring their own wisdom to the practice field & meeting rooms for that 10th spot.
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Majority of these were hired to replace a lost assistant, not truly being added as the 10th assistant
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https://www.rollbamaroll.com/2017/12/16/16784522/alabama-hires-dc-pete-golding-away-from-utsa

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2018/01/89902/ohio-state-hires-alex-grinch-as-10th-assistant-coach

https://www.seccountry.com/texas-am/texas-am-jimbo-fisher-hires-nfl-defensive-assistant-jerry-montgomery

https://www.burntorangenation.com/2...s-hire-auburn-tigers-co-offensive-coordinator

Who is David Corley? Penn State just hired him to coach its running backs | PennLive.com

http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/010318aad.html

Every single article I posted specifically mentioned that Coach was being hired as the 10th assistant, go ahead & click.

The only one that's still undetermined is Ed Warinner with Mich because they haven't decided if he's just an Offensive Analyst or Field coach yet.

I didn't even post every school that I read up on just the major big names schools, **** even Indiana hired South Alabama's former DC as an assisistant.

The majority of the 10th field coaches being added are tenured experienced coaches & not just QC guys being elevated, that's the point.
 
252cane said:
The Franchise said:
I'm skeptical of Rick's ability to scheme up the run game from our base formation, which is a shotgun spread set. But when you set QB record numbers with Malik Rosier as your QB you're doing something right.
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I dont the richt wants to run out the shotgun. Rosier cant play under center so thats why it was all shotgun shît last year. He probably wants to run a combination of what he did with kaaya and rosier.

With kaaya there was more under center stuff and they used the fb at times. They mixed that in with the rpo. With rosier it was 100% shotgun and they didn't use much rpo but instead just used regualar read option plays.
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exactly, I been saying all year Richt wants to be able to run under center with a two back system, just needs the horses. Dennis did alot of that when he got here, he saw we had the horses to do it. Bottom line, at the end of the day you have to be able to line up under center and pound the rock, that shotgun crap will only get you so far, hard to have a power running game out of the gun
 
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Liberty City El said:
RyanCane26 said:
Liberty City El said:
If Patke is the 10th coach, that would be a total missed opportunity by Richt.

Bama hired Pete Golding, was DC at UTEP & Southern Miss
Oh St hired Alex Grinch, was DC at Wash St for 3 years
TAMU hired Jerry Montgomery, was a DL coach with the Green Bay Packers & before that was DL coach with Oklahoma
Michigan hired Ed Warinner, was OL coach for Oh St from 2012-16 & was OL Coach at Minnesota last year, was also Charlie Weiss's OL coach at ND & Kansas, over 20 years experience
Texas hired Herb Hand, was OL coach at Auburn, Penn St & West Va 20+ years experience
Penn St hired David Corley, was WR's coach at Army & before that RB's coach at UCONN for 3 years
Auburn hired Marcus Woodson, was CB's coach at Memphis for 2 years & CB's coach at Fresno St for 2 years before that

There's several more, but the point is clear. Just about every major program in P5 Football used this 10th field position to upgrade the Coaching side of things & brought in well versed coaches with legitimate experience elsewhere.

Not tryna bash Patke but he needs to cut his teeth somewhere else for a few years before we elevate him to a 10th coaching spot.

Don't even try to tell me **** about his supposed "crootin" I'm not hearing it. Richt needs to stop being so **** stubborn, there's a **** ton of coaches out there available & just settling for Patke is a short sighted move on his part.

I support Richt 100% & think he's a great Coach, but that doesn't mean that everything he does is perfect & is beyond accountability. If every single major program is hiring legit coaches for this new 10th assistant there's no reason he's not seizing this opportunity to add someone that's more than just a QC guy.

We need an experienced coach that can bring their own wisdom to the practice field & meeting rooms for that 10th spot.
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Majority of these were hired to replace a lost assistant, not truly being added as the 10th assistant
Click to expand...
https://www.rollbamaroll.com/2017/12/16/16784522/alabama-hires-dc-pete-golding-away-from-utsa

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2018/01/89902/ohio-state-hires-alex-grinch-as-10th-assistant-coach

https://www.seccountry.com/texas-am/texas-am-jimbo-fisher-hires-nfl-defensive-assistant-jerry-montgomery

https://www.burntorangenation.com/2...s-hire-auburn-tigers-co-offensive-coordinator

Who is David Corley? Penn State just hired him to coach its running backs | PennLive.com

http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/010318aad.html

Every single article I posted specifically mentioned that Coach was being hired as the 10th assistant, go ahead & click.

The only one that's still undetermined is Ed Warinner with Mich because they haven't decided if he's just an Offensive Analyst or Field coach yet.

I didn't even post every school that I read up on just the major big names schools, **** even Indiana hired South Alabama's former DC as an assisistant.

The majority of the 10th field coaches being added are tenured experienced coaches & not just QC guys being elevated, that's the point.
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There's a reason no one is touching Sabag any time soon. He also just hired Jeff Banks, who was Texas AM's STs coach. AM was able to stay in the bowl game with Wake because they blocked a couple kicks.
 
Football is NOT like hoops where one guy-the HC-can make a program a winner. You need several guys who are specialists on different areas to compete against the other team's coaching teams. I mean if you just wanted to pick the top 5 teams next year without looking at player rosters, you could just evaluate the coaching staffs. Guess what Bama, Clemson, OSU*, PSU would still be in your top 5. Miami would be lucky to be in the top 20..........................
 
Liberty City El said:
If Patke is the 10th coach, that would be a total missed opportunity by Richt.

Bama hired Pete Golding, was DC at UTEP & Southern Miss
Oh St hired Alex Grinch, was DC at Wash St for 3 years
TAMU hired Jerry Montgomery, was a DL coach with the Green Bay Packers & before that was DL coach with Oklahoma
Michigan hired Ed Warinner, was OL coach for Oh St from 2012-16 & was OL Coach at Minnesota last year, was also Charlie Weiss's OL coach at ND & Kansas, over 20 years experience
Texas hired Herb Hand, was OL coach at Auburn, Penn St & West Va 20+ years experience
Penn St hired David Corley, was WR's coach at Army & before that RB's coach at UCONN for 3 years
Auburn hired Marcus Woodson, was CB's coach at Memphis for 2 years & CB's coach at Fresno St for 2 years before that

There's several more, but the point is clear. Just about every major program in P5 Football used this 10th field position to upgrade the Coaching side of things & brought in well versed coaches with legitimate experience elsewhere.

Not tryna bash Patke but he needs to cut his teeth somewhere else for a few years before we elevate him to a 10th coaching spot.

Don't even try to tell me **** about his supposed "crootin" I'm not hearing it. Richt needs to stop being so **** stubborn, there's a **** ton of coaches out there available & just settling for Patke is a short sighted move on his part.

I support Richt 100% & think he's a great Coach, but that doesn't mean that everything he does is perfect & is beyond accountability. If every single major program is hiring legit coaches for this new 10th assistant there's no reason he's not seizing this opportunity to add someone that's more than just a QC guy.

We need an experienced coach that can bring their own wisdom to the practice field & meeting rooms for that 10th spot.
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None of those coaches move the dial outside of Hand or Grinich, but not every situation is the same. Maybe those teams needed good coaches and not recruiters. I feel like we need an ace recruiter who can has knowledge of special teams. But i feel like we have some really good teaching coaches on our staff
 
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