10th coaching assistant

[CaneJuice69]

I get that and I'm not calling for his firing. I understand the logic, I just don't agree with it. Richt has done a great job changing culture and getting the most out of this team. Doesn't mean his offensive liabilities are beyond reproach. I feel the offensive staff is beyond over matched, don't you agree (beyond the reality he isn't firing his son)? IMO he'll be forced to eventually anyway. What must be done eventually, must be done immediately.

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No, I don’t agree. We scored more points in 2016 than in any season since 2002. Only 4 UM teams since 2002 scored more points than the 2017 team, and two of those teams were only like two points better. He did that with Rosier at QB, virtually no RB depth, and a hobbled #1 WR. He did his best to mask the offensive deficiencies this year, but that fell apart late in the season. Most of my criticisms with Richt’s offense stem from his situational playcalling. I think he goes for it all on second down too often and that puts us in bad third down spots. I also think his 3rd and short and red zone playcalling could use some work, but I’m not that concerned about the offensive system as a whole.

Fair points but imo the reason his situational playcalling sucked is because his system needs revamping. His running scheme specifically is a hot mess. His zone blocking, big on big s hit needs to end. We are a spread team. Need to implement more spread power running ala Clemson/Auburn. Give ourselves the advantage in the running game which will open up easier throws in the passing game.

The rubber meets the road on offense NEXT year. There will be zero excuses for being dog s hit in the red zone and third down in year three. If there are, then it can be assumed its a schematic/coaching issue. The offense will be stacked with playmakers and he'll have his third qb to try it with.

While I agree that he isn't firing his son, I'll never be convinced he's not a wasted coaching spot. Sr. Has admitted on tape numerous times he's the qb coach/OC. Jr. Is redundant and unfireable.

You can post all the stats you want, we were underwhelming there when it counted and you know it. I like the engaged Richt as an offensive coordinator but imo he needs to be more involved in the total program. He can still be MORE involved on the offensive side but turn the day to day over to an innovative OC. Imo it will happen by necessity in the future.

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Richt has been trying to get the running game going his entire time here. He wasn’t able to do it this year because Walton got hurt. The OL was underwhelming which is a potential problem spot. Homer is a solid back but he’s not consistent enough to pick up 4-5 yards regularly. He pretty much either runs head first into the line or breaks a run. Our running offense really picked up in the second half of last season because Walton got going and Kaaya got comfortable.

Richt’s O put up points against the best Ds he faced this year besides Clemson. You guys act like we had the talent to have some monstoroous offense this year. We didn’t.

Especially with all the injuries, you can make the case Diaz was working with more talent and underperformed more so than richt’s offense to be honest

Tend to agree. So why is it that Manny seems to be getting "a free ride" so far? Rarely have seen ANYTHING posted negatively about him. Recruiting faults all go to Rumph and Kool, where is Manny?

 

[BigJoeGrizzly]

I don't mind Richt having complete control of the O. However, I WOULD like him to have an experienced set of eyes up in the booth helping him out.

This... Been saying this since he named himself OC.. Have a game day planning guy to design plays. While I love Thomas Brown and Dugans they aren’t the answer here..

 

[CanesNation26]

No, I don’t agree. We scored more points in 2016 than in any season since 2002. Only 4 UM teams since 2002 scored more points than the 2017 team, and two of those teams were only like two points better. He did that with Rosier at QB, virtually no RB depth, and a hobbled #1 WR. He did his best to mask the offensive deficiencies this year, but that fell apart late in the season. Most of my criticisms with Richt’s offense stem from his situational playcalling. I think he goes for it all on second down too often and that puts us in bad third down spots. I also think his 3rd and short and red zone playcalling could use some work, but I’m not that concerned about the offensive system as a whole.

Who tf cares about 2002 LMAO. The game has changed. Offenses put up more points. Our Scoring Offense was #59 this year. Our Total Offense was #60 . Our Time of Possession was #123 . News flash, we didn't have great offenses between 2002-present, that time period shouldn't be the measuring stick. Our play calling is putrid, flat out baffling at times. Our offense was mediocre, at best. We had way too many 3 and outs. If you think this is primarily a talent problem, we'll see soon enough, but I guarantee you it isn't.

lol come on man, use your brain on this issue.

we have a patty cake offensive line if you haven't noticed. We have a quarterback that didn't believe he could be benched and that completed less that 50% like.. every day

meanwhile if you read any of hurricane visions posts, you'll see WRs breaking wide f*cking open every.single.game.

wtf do you want?

I agree talent will improve our offense. But we have problems that are more than just talent. Perps says “oh his situational play calling is perhaps not the best” as if that’s trivial. Situational play calling is the most important characteristic for an OC. Implementing a system in the off-season is not extremely difficult. People get caught up on pro versus spread and their variations, but what matters most is being able to adapt in game, drawing on plays from your system that give you the best opportunity to beat the other team overall and at a specific moment in a game. This is where Richt lacks.

 

[Cane6]

Do you guys not remember the offensive series, about 4 to 5 per game, that leave you scratching your head and saying what the F did I just watch???

3 fade passes to 5'9" WRs? Absolutely no strategy to the combination of run and pass plays? People must have short memories.

Look at our 3rd down conversion rate. That speaks for itself

 

[StoneWallLoungeCane]

No, I don’t agree. We scored more points in 2016 than in any season since 2002. Only 4 UM teams since 2002 scored more points than the 2017 team, and two of those teams were only like two points better. He did that with Rosier at QB, virtually no RB depth, and a hobbled #1 WR. He did his best to mask the offensive deficiencies this year, but that fell apart late in the season. Most of my criticisms with Richt’s offense stem from his situational playcalling. I think he goes for it all on second down too often and that puts us in bad third down spots. I also think his 3rd and short and red zone playcalling could use some work, but I’m not that concerned about the offensive system as a whole.

Who tf cares about 2002 LMAO. The game has changed. Offenses put up more points. Our Scoring Offense was #59 this year. Our Total Offense was #60 . Our Time of Possession was #123 . News flash, we didn't have great offenses between 2002-present, that time period shouldn't be the measuring stick. Our play calling is putrid, flat out baffling at times. Our offense was mediocre, at best. We had way too many 3 and outs. If you think this is primarily a talent problem, we'll see soon enough, but I guarantee you it isn't.

lol come on man, use your brain on this issue.

we have a patty cake offensive line if you haven't noticed. We have a quarterback that didn't believe he could be benched and that completed less that 50% like.. every day

meanwhile if you read any of hurricane visions posts, you'll see WRs breaking wide f*cking open every.single.game.

wtf do you want?

I agree talent will improve our offense. But we have problems that are more than just talent. Perps says “oh his situational play calling is perhaps not the best” as if that’s trivial. Situational play calling is the most important characteristic for an OC. Implementing a system in the off-season is not extremely difficult. People get caught up on pro versus spread and their variations, but what matters most is being able to adapt in game, drawing on plays from your system that give you the best opportunity to beat the other team overall and at a specific moment in a game. This is where Richt lacks.

That’s not what I said at all, but continue making stuff up to argue with yourself.

 

[Consigliere]

No, I don’t agree. We scored more points in 2016 than in any season since 2002. Only 4 UM teams since 2002 scored more points than the 2017 team, and two of those teams were only like two points better. He did that with Rosier at QB, virtually no RB depth, and a hobbled #1 WR. He did his best to mask the offensive deficiencies this year, but that fell apart late in the season. Most of my criticisms with Richt’s offense stem from his situational playcalling. I think he goes for it all on second down too often and that puts us in bad third down spots. I also think his 3rd and short and red zone playcalling could use some work, but I’m not that concerned about the offensive system as a whole.

I just had a few questions before I respond:

1. When you say, scored more points in 2016, what do you mean?

A. If you added all the points we scored in every game, we scored the most points in 2016.

B. The average points scored per game was the highest in 2016.

2. Given our track record with Coker, Shannon and Golden and their OCs, is this an accomplishment? Someone is the smartest kid on the short bus.

Only 1 performance below stands out (as an achievement), 2002. In fact, the 2017 performance wasn't that good. Not including 2016 or 2002, the 2017 performance was 6th best (not that good).

Since 2002, the following coaches have been our OC:

02-03: Rob Chudzinski

Scoring Offense 02: 40.5 PPG
Scoring Offense 03: 27.8 PPG

04-05: Dan Werner (currently QB coach at South Carolina)

Scoring Offense 04: 31.7 PPG
Scoring Offense 05: 27.1 PPG

06: Rich Olson (has he coached since 09?)

Scoring Offense 06: 19.6 PPG *

07-08: Pat Nix (nothing needs to be said)

Scoring Offense 07: 20.6 PPG
Scoring Offense 08: 27.1 PPG

09-10: Mark Whipple (UMass HC)

Scoring Offense 09: 30.2 PPG
Scoring Offense 10: 26.2 PPG

11-12: Jedd Fisch (is he on Kelly's staff)

Scoring Offense 11: 26.5 PPG
Scoring Offense 12: 31.4 PPG

13-15: James Coley (coaching WRs at UGA)

Scoring Offense 13: 33.8 PPG
Scoring Offense 14: 29.2 PPG
Scoring Offense 15: 27.8 PPG

16-17: Mark Richt


Scoring Offense 16: 34.3 PPG
Scoring Offense 17: 29.1 PPG



All data from 2006 FBS (I-A) College Football Team Statistics Leaders for Total - ESPN

 

[The Franchise]

I don't know Patke from a hole in the wall, but if he's our 10th assistant, then he **** well better be the second coming of Trooper Taylor as a recruiter. He brings zero to the table as a football coach.

 

[StoneWallLoungeCane]

No, I don’t agree. We scored more points in 2016 than in any season since 2002. Only 4 UM teams since 2002 scored more points than the 2017 team, and two of those teams were only like two points better. He did that with Rosier at QB, virtually no RB depth, and a hobbled #1 WR. He did his best to mask the offensive deficiencies this year, but that fell apart late in the season. Most of my criticisms with Richt’s offense stem from his situational playcalling. I think he goes for it all on second down too often and that puts us in bad third down spots. I also think his 3rd and short and red zone playcalling could use some work, but I’m not that concerned about the offensive system as a whole.

I just had a few questions before I respond:

1. When you say, scored more points in 2016, what do you mean?

A. If you added all the points we scored in every game, we scored the most points in 2016.

B. The average points scored per game was the highest in 2016.

2. Given our track record with Coker, Shannon and Golden and their OCs, is this an accomplishment? Someone is the smartest kid on the short bus.

Only 1 performance below stands out (as an achievement), 2002. In fact, the 2017 performance wasn't that good. Not including 2016 or 2002, the 2017 performance was 6th best (not that good).

Since 2002, the following coaches have been our OC:

02-03: Rob Chudzinski

Scoring Offense 02: 40.5 PPG
Scoring Offense 03: 27.8 PPG

04-05: Dan Werner (currently QB coach at South Carolina)

Scoring Offense 04: 31.7 PPG
Scoring Offense 05: 27.1 PPG

06: Rich Olson (has he coached since 09?)

Scoring Offense 06: 19.6 PPG *

07-08: Pat Nix (nothing needs to be said)

Scoring Offense 07: 20.6 PPG
Scoring Offense 08: 27.1 PPG

09-10: Mark Whipple (UMass HC)

Scoring Offense 09: 30.2 PPG
Scoring Offense 10: 26.2 PPG

11-12: Jedd Fisch (is he on Kelly's staff)

Scoring Offense 11: 26.5 PPG
Scoring Offense 12: 31.4 PPG

13-15: James Coley (coaching WRs at UGA)

Scoring Offense 13: 33.8 PPG
Scoring Offense 14: 29.2 PPG
Scoring Offense 15: 27.8 PPG

16-17: Mark Richt


Scoring Offense 16: 34.3 PPG
Scoring Offense 17: 29.1 PPG



All data from 2006 FBS (I-A) College Football Team Statistics Leaders for Total - ESPN

I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make?

 

[Consigliere]

I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make?

I am asking 2 simple questions:

1. What did you mean by scored more points? I am asking per game, total points. It was pretty clear, I thought.

2. Is it even an accomplishment given the above?

 

[Pearson704]

No, I don’t agree. We scored more points in 2016 than in any season since 2002. Only 4 UM teams since 2002 scored more points than the 2017 team, and two of those teams were only like two points better. He did that with Rosier at QB, virtually no RB depth, and a hobbled #1 WR. He did his best to mask the offensive deficiencies this year, but that fell apart late in the season. Most of my criticisms with Richt’s offense stem from his situational playcalling. I think he goes for it all on second down too often and that puts us in bad third down spots. I also think his 3rd and short and red zone playcalling could use some work, but I’m not that concerned about the offensive system as a whole.

Who tf cares about 2002 LMAO. The game has changed. Offenses put up more points. Our Scoring Offense was #59 this year. Our Total Offense was #60 . Our Time of Possession was #123 . News flash, we didn't have great offenses between 2002-present, that time period shouldn't be the measuring stick. Our play calling is putrid, flat out baffling at times. Our offense was mediocre, at best. We had way too many 3 and outs. If you think this is primarily a talent problem, we'll see soon enough, but I guarantee you it isn't.

Great reading comprehension.

Yes I read your extremely dumb defense of richt just fine.

It's a talent and depth problem. Way too much b!tching on board about the system/play-call and not enough emphasis on execution. Anyone who can't understand that doesn't know WTF they're looking at.

 

[StoneWallLoungeCane]

I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make?

I am asking 2 simple questions:

1. What did you mean by scored more points? I am asking per game, total points. It was pretty clear, I thought.

2. Is it even an accomplishment given the above?

I’m not sure why it matters. He had the best PPG and and also the most points overall in 2016.I’m not counting 2002.

I’m not going to debate whether it’s an “accomplishment.” I’m not that concerned about the offense and my opinion isn’t going to change this offseason. I think he got a lot out of what we had this year.

 

[88]

Can already see this is going to turn into a cat fight between the objective and the Richt-do-no-wrong brigade

Oh, how cute. If you don’t think Richt needs to replace himself as an OC, then you think “Richt can do no wrong.” If you think Richt needs to give up the teigns to the offense, you’re “objective” and “fair and balanced.l

Nah, but if anyone who doubts Richt in any way is labelled a troll, or just out to take shots at Richt, I'm going to label anyone who denegrates those people as homers in the same way to show its ridiculousness. I'm 100% fine with your opinion on Richt, but I don't think I'm blindly out to take shots at Richt, the same way I don't think you're in blind defense of the man. We can leave it at that.

 

[Consigliere]

I’m not sure why it matters. He had the best PPG and and also the most points overall. I’m not counting 2002.

I’m not going to debate whether it’s an “accomplishment.” I’m not that concerned about the offense and my opinion isn’t going to change this offseason. I think he got a lot out of what we had this year.

1. 2002 was the only season of real significance on offense. Look at the actual data.

2. 2016 wasn't a good season offensively. It was above average if you compare it to only Miami and discard the only season of real significance. In addition, in 2016 we finish 37th overall in scoring offense. What does that say?

3. It isn't an "accomplishment" and you're the one that set the criteria. It isn't even an "accomplishment" compared to other performances at Miami where we've struggled for a long time on offense.

4. Whether Richt makes the obvious and necessary changes on offense depends on his ego. If he doesn't make the necessary changes, then don't expect significant changes on offense. The data at UGA (when he was OC v. not the OC) is overwhelming when it comes to points and yards. They were better when he wasn't calling plays.

 

[StoneWallLoungeCane]

I’m not sure why it matters. He had the best PPG and and also the most points overall. I’m not counting 2002.

I’m not going to debate whether it’s an “accomplishment.” I’m not that concerned about the offense and my opinion isn’t going to change this offseason. I think he got a lot out of what we had this year.

1. 2002 was the only season of real significance on offense. Look at the actual data.

2. 2016 wasn't a good season offensively. It was above average if you compare it to only Miami and discard the only season of real significance. In addition, in 2016 we finish 37th overall in scoring offense. What does that say?

3. It isn't an "accomplishment" and you're the one that set the criteria. It isn't even an "accomplishment" compared to other performances at Miami where we've struggled for a long time on offense.

4. Whether Richt makes the obvious and necessary changes on offense depends on his ego. If he doesn't make the necessary changes, then don't expect significant changes on offense. The data at UGA (when he was OC v. not the OC) is overwhelming when it comes to points and yards. They were better when he wasn't calling plays.

You’re just looking for stuff to argue about. Agree to disagree on the offense. Have a good Sunday.

 

[CanesNation26]

I’m not sure why it matters. He had the best PPG and and also the most points overall. I’m not counting 2002.

I’m not going to debate whether it’s an “accomplishment.” I’m not that concerned about the offense and my opinion isn’t going to change this offseason. I think he got a lot out of what we had this year.

1. 2002 was the only season of real significance on offense. Look at the actual data.

2. 2016 wasn't a good season offensively. It was above average if you compare it to only Miami and discard the only season of real significance. In addition, in 2016 we finish 37th overall in scoring offense. What does that say?

3. It isn't an "accomplishment" and you're the one that set the criteria. It isn't even an "accomplishment" compared to other performances at Miami where we've struggled for a long time on offense.

4. Whether Richt makes the obvious and necessary changes on offense depends on his ego. If he doesn't make the necessary changes, then don't expect significant changes on offense. The data at UGA (when he was OC v. not the OC) is overwhelming when it comes to points and yards. They were better when he wasn't calling plays.

5. Richt's first two years at Miami, from a ppg perspective, are statistically identical to James Coley's first two years at Miami.

 

[Consigliere]

I’m not sure why it matters. He had the best PPG and and also the most points overall. I’m not counting 2002.

I’m not going to debate whether it’s an “accomplishment.” I’m not that concerned about the offense and my opinion isn’t going to change this offseason. I think he got a lot out of what we had this year.

1. 2002 was the only season of real significance on offense. Look at the actual data.

2. 2016 wasn't a good season offensively. It was above average if you compare it to only Miami and discard the only season of real significance. In addition, in 2016 we finish 37th overall in scoring offense. What does that say?

3. It isn't an "accomplishment" and you're the one that set the criteria. It isn't even an "accomplishment" compared to other performances at Miami where we've struggled for a long time on offense.

4. Whether Richt makes the obvious and necessary changes on offense depends on his ego. If he doesn't make the necessary changes, then don't expect significant changes on offense. The data at UGA (when he was OC v. not the OC) is overwhelming when it comes to points and yards. They were better when he wasn't calling plays.

You’re just looking for stuff to argue about. Agree to disagree on the offense. Have a good Sunday.

I am not. I am just giving my opinion. Feel free to think his "accomplishments" are significant at Miami (in terms of coaching the O).

 

[Consigliere]

I’m not sure why it matters. He had the best PPG and and also the most points overall. I’m not counting 2002.

I’m not going to debate whether it’s an “accomplishment.” I’m not that concerned about the offense and my opinion isn’t going to change this offseason. I think he got a lot out of what we had this year.

1. 2002 was the only season of real significance on offense. Look at the actual data.

2. 2016 wasn't a good season offensively. It was above average if you compare it to only Miami and discard the only season of real significance. In addition, in 2016 we finish 37th overall in scoring offense. What does that say?

3. It isn't an "accomplishment" and you're the one that set the criteria. It isn't even an "accomplishment" compared to other performances at Miami where we've struggled for a long time on offense.

4. Whether Richt makes the obvious and necessary changes on offense depends on his ego. If he doesn't make the necessary changes, then don't expect significant changes on offense. The data at UGA (when he was OC v. not the OC) is overwhelming when it comes to points and yards. They were better when he wasn't calling plays.

5. Richt's first two years at Miami, from a ppg perspective, are statistically identical to James Coley's first two years at Miami.

You mean a guy not employed as an OC.

 

[DC3]

Do you guys not remember the offensive series, about 4 to 5 per game, that leave you scratching your head and saying what the F did I just watch???

3 fade passes to 5'9" WRs? Absolutely no strategy to the combination of run and pass plays? People must have short memories.

Look at our 3rd down conversion rate. That speaks for itself

With the Freshmen that are coming in if injuries to happen to the starters Miami now had the depth so that doesn't happen anymore.

 

[paksat]

I’m not sure why it matters. He had the best PPG and and also the most points overall. I’m not counting 2002.

I’m not going to debate whether it’s an “accomplishment.” I’m not that concerned about the offense and my opinion isn’t going to change this offseason. I think he got a lot out of what we had this year.

1. 2002 was the only season of real significance on offense. Look at the actual data.

2. 2016 wasn't a good season offensively. It was above average if you compare it to only Miami and discard the only season of real significance. In addition, in 2016 we finish 37th overall in scoring offense. What does that say?

3. It isn't an "accomplishment" and you're the one that set the criteria. It isn't even an "accomplishment" compared to other performances at Miami where we've struggled for a long time on offense.

4. Whether Richt makes the obvious and necessary changes on offense depends on his ego. If he doesn't make the necessary changes, then don't expect significant changes on offense. The data at UGA (when he was OC v. not the OC) is overwhelming when it comes to points and yards. They were better when he wasn't calling plays.

5. Richt's first two years at Miami, from a ppg perspective, are statistically identical to James Coley's first two years at Miami.

You mean a guy not employed as an OC.

I'd love to see what coley would have done this year with what we had

especially with no walton, richards or herndon at one point

if you'd rather have coley than, idk what to even say

 

[The Franchise]

I'm skeptical of Rick's ability to scheme up the run game from our base formation, which is a shotgun spread set. But when you set QB record numbers with Malik Rosier as your QB you're doing something right.