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UNC and Miami's paths were not very similar. Here's Miami's timeline of bulls-it, getting f-cked, getting sick, and why they looked out of it on Saturday. 10/31 - UNC loses to UVA, all but eliminating them from Charlotte with 2 ACC losses 11/7 - Notre Dame defeats Clemson because Lawrence had...

This is all that really matters. Allowing that to happen represented a total failure on the part of everyone! Even us, somehow.

This is why I said the game was over before it started. The ACC title was the goal all season and we remained in contention until Saturday 12/5. Once that goal became unattainable preparation for UNC went down the toilet. But I absolutely think our guys laid down mentally on Saturday. Sure there...

Miami and UNC's situations heading into Saturday were night and day different. Saturday: Clemson beats VT around the same time that our game against Duke was ending, officially elimininating Miami in the ACC. Strike 1. Sunday: Gametime announced for 3:30pm and not primetime as expected with...

It's not that plain or simple. Sure we were out-coached but the players themselves will tell you they laid down by the time it was 21-3, particularly the OL and DL. We don't allow 62 points and 800 yards unless people stop trying. I mean, do we really think the players were in the locker room...

Non-playoff NY6 bowl games are useless. Penn State, Memphis, Baylor, Virginia played in a NY6 bowl last season. Our kids don't care about playing in the OB game at Hard Rock with 20% capacity. I promise you. Remember when Wayne, Moss, etc pledged not to cut their hair until they won a bowl...

No way. 500 more than likely but 62 points and 800 yards? We were punch-less midway through the 2nd quarter. The team didn't fight back. Don't you think they would have if the game had significant meaning?

I know...and it's sad they allowed it to get so out of hand. But make no mistake, avenging the ACC, showing the CFP they're wrong, playing in the OB and finishing top 10 so we can get all the good recruits was not meaningful enough, even slightly, when compared with how they would have played...

This obviously wasn't important to the team or they would not have folded so easily. All year long the goal was to make the ACCCG, which would have happened if not for the ACC doing it all it could to ensure that it did not. It was bad enough when they allowed ND in, and worse when they changed...

I think he was defending them in this case, although I agree he's a coward who refuses to say "it's my fault and I suck."

This wasn't a rebuilding year. We won't have rebuilding years with Manny. He'll plug whatever holes he sees and go for it. This team believed they'd win, or at least play for the ACC title when the year began, and for a while it looked like it was going to happen....and then Trevor Lawrence got...

Macho all of that is true and perfectly valid. The problem begins and ends with Diaz and his "I'm not okay, you're not okay, but it's okay" nice guy culture. But even the staunchest Manure haters must admit that no team in America was dealt a worse hand than the one that got f-cked by the ACC...

So you think their list of team goals at the beginning of the season highlights playing in a meaningless NY6 bowl game? In a given year it's: 1. win the Coastal 2. win the ACC 3. win a CFP game 4. win the CFP title 5. play in a meaningless bowl game 6. win a meaningless bowl game

I'd be curious to hear from Restrepo on the pulse of the team heading into UNC. I'd be shocked to learn that they treated this like the Super Bowl.

Duke was the last straw imo. Once they saw that 8-1 in the ACC still wasn't good enough they shut it down.

Beating them may have nudged us ahead of UGA and ISU but not A&M or Cincy imo. But even had we beaten UNC, our shot to make a final statement at home against GT was cancelled 24 hours prior to playing UNC. We got f-cked in every *******.

I think everyone agrees that 62 points and 800 yards is never excusable, but you don't raise a banner in the rafters for playing in a NY6 bowl game. You don't beat UNC, beat your opponent in the Orange Bowl, and feel any better about being left out of the ACC title game and rightful shot at the...

They looked motivated at Duke, played a great game, and it got them nowhere. They were off for 3 weeks and watched multiple 2-loss teams jump ahead of them. Ok, no problem. Let's go beat the **** out of Duke on the road and surely we'll get some respect from the CFP, right? Wrong. Those...

The players don't care about that stuff. Fans do because we have suffered for 15+ years. ACC championship or bust. Saturday meant nothing to them and it showed.

The players set out to win the ACC and make the CFP. Once that was out the window there wasn't much at stake for the players on Saturday aside from pride. It's no excuse for allowing 62 points and 800 yards, but you're fantasizing if you think the players care about playing in the OB, or any...