The Work 10-9

The Work 10-9

Peter Ariz
Peter Ariz

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Good stuff.

I entirely disagree with anyone saying this isn't yet a complete collapse. Folden has not beaten a single good team in his time here. Not a single one. Anybody saying that is not yet a complete collapse is likely braindead and needing life support to breathe.

I am still amazed at the people at this board that are not realistic. We just aren't capable of tossing golden out with yesterday's trash like some of you think. To use a golden term against him it's a process. A process that is unique to our situation. He isn't going anywhere after this season. He will have another year. That's the reality that people on this board simply ignore.

Same conclusory bozo rap we heard when Coker and Shannon got fired.

Every situation has its own facts and circumstances. Clearly the teams performance under golden is poor but the circumstances are different and it's the circumstances that will give him another year. Hey I am not happy with what I see but realistically i don't see a change being made. It's my opinion. I don't have any information. It's just my read on the situation. And in my opinion anyone that thinks a change is coming or talks as if it is coming this season is unrealistic or lacks perspective. Wanting a change is different than thinking one is going to occur at the time one wants that change.

To give you some information, the admin doesn't want him either. If he stays, it's not because they think he's going to suddenly improve as a coach. It'll be a financial reason. From their perspective, his goodwill with NCAA was traded in for his Penn State play. And for all the complaints of the cloud, he still recruited superiorly to his predecessors and the teams he was losing to. Now stocked with talent, he's still getting creamed by those teams still so the perspective is he still got great players and loses. If he hadn't pulled great players, the perspective might be a little bit different. All his excuses grate on people but he might survive with the sacrifice of D'Onofrio and finances, not coaching improvement.
 
Good stuff.

I entirely disagree with anyone saying this isn't yet a complete collapse. Folden has not beaten a single good team in his time here. Not a single one. Anybody saying that is not yet a complete collapse is likely braindead and needing life support to breathe.

I am still amazed at the people at this board that are not realistic. We just aren't capable of tossing golden out with yesterday's trash like some of you think. To use a golden term against him it's a process. A process that is unique to our situation. He isn't going anywhere after this season. He will have another year. That's the reality that people on this board simply ignore.

Same conclusory bozo rap we heard when Coker and Shannon got fired.

Every situation has its own facts and circumstances. Clearly the teams performance under golden is poor but the circumstances are different and it's the circumstances that will give him another year. Hey I am not happy with what I see but realistically i don't see a change being made. It's my opinion. I don't have any information. It's just my read on the situation. And in my opinion anyone that thinks a change is coming or talks as if it is coming this season is unrealistic or lacks perspective. Wanting a change is different than thinking one is going to occur at the time one wants that change.

To give you some information, the admin doesn't want him either. If he stays, it's not because they think he's going to suddenly improve as a coach. It'll be a financial reason. From their perspective, his goodwill with NCAA was traded in for his Penn State play. And for all the complaints of the cloud, he still recruited superiorly to his predecessors and the teams he was losing to. Now stocked with talent, he's still getting creamed by those teams still so the perspective is he still got great players and loses. If he hadn't pulled great players, the perspective might be a little bit different. All his excuses grate on people but he might survive with the sacrifice of D'Onofrio and finances, not coaching improvement.

I agree that financial is the biggest factor by far. When hasn't it been with us? I remember when butch left it was the same story. We are significantly hampered by the situation and unable to make changes as early or at the time people think they might be appropriate
 
Usually, firing assistants means that you're putting a band-aid on a greater cancer.

Has there ever been a time when a head coach fires someone to save his own job, that ultimately did save his position?

it happened at UM 16 years ago, but it appears to be the exception and not the rule.

Butch and Bill Miller. One of the historians here said Butch was open to changes on the defense so he and Miller changed the front's alignment that year. Resulted in better run defense but hurt the pass defense or something. Schiano came in the next year with a defense that was a different from what Davis liked to run in year's past.

Oh yeah it was me and that's the difference between Butch and his bff and Golden and his. Butch and Bill actually tried to tinker with the Over defense that they both were accustomed to running (even if it was just a haphazardly way of doing it) , Golden and Donofio haven't they just insist on putting square pegs in circle holes. So changing DC won't be a change in scheme or philosophy just someone who Golden thinks might be able to get the kids to execute it better. If Golden and Dono had continued with the Duke defensive scheme and the defense was just getting bombed over left and right as the reason for failure, maybe there would have been a small inkling of hope that a new DC would be able to come in and change the scheme to one that works better with the kids. However we all know that's not happening so this is all just a waste of time and money.

But guys, was Butch Davis really on any hot seat after the 98 season? I remember things looking up after the UCLA upset and beating NCState in the bowl game. Davis' seat certainly wasn't feeling warm like Golden's is now.

JMO, but those are two different circumstances

UCLA game put out a lot of flames that had started burning that week out. However don't kid yourself people were heated after the Syracuse debacle. Hank Goldberg show was full of callers calling for Butch and Bill's head. Remember that wasn't Miami that was going through a decade of mediocrity it was Miami who won 4 titles in 7 years under three different coaches and played for several others. Even w/ the sanctions people were still blinded by all the success Miami had just prior to Butch. That game is probably the reason McNabb was the #2 overall pick in the NFL the next spring. The game was for the conf title and they beat the dogsh!t out of us and that wasn't a good Syracuse team. That loss mark the 4th straight year we didn't win the conference and our 8th conference loss in 4 seasons, after only having 1 loss the first four seasons in the BE and winning three conference title. That was the game that proved the running game was still broken even w/ the 8 man fronts we had been playing. However things didn't get out of hand because Edge was a **** monster and willed us a win against UCLA 7 days later. If that game wasn't rescheduled due to the hurricane I don't think we win that game so Butch would have had 4 losses w/ the season ending game being an *** kicking. Butch had to get rid of Bill because people were up in arms about the conservative defenses they had been running the previous four years (not having a dominant NT to use in the over will do that to you).

If you think Butch wasn't considered a lame duck coach who had just fired his friend for running the defense they both knew and loved, then why were his top two choices both guys who had just been fired for being part of some straight doodoo defenses in Chicago w/ Wanny? No one knew who the **** Schiano was and his resume definitely didn't scream that of a defensive fixer other than the fact that Butch's friend vouched for him. Butch and Monkey boy promised the defense would be more aggressive so everyone looked passed Schiano's inexperience. That's what beating the #3 team in the country and then winning your bowl game will do for you. Watch what happens if by some miraculous act of god Golden and crew beat FSU (the thought alone makes me want to puke).
 
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At this point, I want a completely new start. However, the defensive coordinator situation only works in one case: AL HAS NO SAY ON DEFENSE. While a new defensive coordinator can be better in Golden's system, he can't coach a GOOD defense with Golden's system. The only way that works if the new DC has complete defensive control.

But then again, it's so much better to just start over then spend another year trying to fix what's broken.
 
it happened at UM 16 years ago, but it appears to be the exception and not the rule.

Butch and Bill Miller. One of the historians here said Butch was open to changes on the defense so he and Miller changed the front's alignment that year. Resulted in better run defense but hurt the pass defense or something. Schiano came in the next year with a defense that was a different from what Davis liked to run in year's past.

Oh yeah it was me and that's the difference between Butch and his bff and Golden and his. Butch and Bill actually tried to tinker with the Over defense that they both were accustomed to running (even if it was just a haphazardly way of doing it) , Golden and Donofio haven't they just insist on putting square pegs in circle holes. So changing DC won't be a change in scheme or philosophy just someone who Golden thinks might be able to get the kids to execute it better. If Golden and Dono had continued with the Duke defensive scheme and the defense was just getting bombed over left and right as the reason for failure, maybe there would have been a small inkling of hope that a new DC would be able to come in and change the scheme to one that works better with the kids. However we all know that's not happening so this is all just a waste of time and money.

But guys, was Butch Davis really on any hot seat after the 98 season? I remember things looking up after the UCLA upset and beating NCState in the bowl game. Davis' seat certainly wasn't feeling warm like Golden's is now.

JMO, but those are two different circumstances

UCLA game put out a lot of flames that had started burning that week out. However don't kid yourself people were heated after the Syracuse debacle. Hank Goldberg show was full of callers calling for Butch and Bill's head. Remember that wasn't Miami that was going through a decade of mediocrity it was Miami who won 4 titles in 7 years under three different coaches and played for several others. Even w/ the sanctions people were still blinded by all the success Miami had just prior to Butch. That game is probably the reason McNabb was the #2 overall pick in the NFL the next spring. The game was for the conf title and they beat the dogsh!t out of us and that wasn't a good Syracuse team. That loss mark the 4th straight year we didn't win the conference and our 8th conference loss in 4 seasons, after only having 1 loss the first four seasons in the BE and winning three conference title. That was the game that proved the running game was still broken even w/ the 8 man fronts we had been playing. However things didn't get out of hand because Edge was a **** monster and willed us a win against UCLA 7 days later. If that game wasn't rescheduled due to the hurricane I don't think we win that game so Butch would have had 4 losses w/ the season ending game being an *** kicking. Butch had to get rid of Bill because people were up in arms about the conservative defenses they had been running the previous four years (not having a dominant NT to use in the over will do that to you).

If you think Butch wasn't considered a lame duck coach who had just fired his friend for running the defense they both knew and loved, then why were his top two choices both guys who had just been fired for being part of some straight doodoo defenses in Chicago w/ Wanny? No one knew who the **** Schiano was and his resume definitely didn't scream that of a defensive fixer other than the fact that Butch's friend vouched for him. Butch and Monkey boy promised the defense would be more aggressive so everyone looked passed Schiano's inexperience. That's what beating the #3 team in the country and then winning your bowl game will do for you. Watch what happens if by some miraculous act of god Golden and crew beat FSU (the thought alone makes me want to puke).
great post! i have been thinking the same thing since last season….
Déjà vu
 
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