The Culture Part Will Take Time

The Culture Part Will Take Time

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Culture does take time you’re right, but TrumpyCane has one question?

How long does it take to see certain players from the past regime such as Flagg, Ivey, Mallory keep ******** up. Did Mario not look at the previous 3 years of game film?

Everyone knows this team isn’t going to win 10+ games so why do they keep trotting out the same scrubs that for now 4 years have shown constant mistakes and zero improvement?
I'm with TrumpyCane on this one. I don't get some of those moves. I've said as much in multiple threads. For example, asking for all of Mallory's routes to go to Arroyo. Sure, maybe they look better in practice or maybe they're more trusted for ____ reason. But, if you're going to get smoked or drop passes or fail to execute in whatever way, then I rather that be the early years of a high ceiling player's development. Tana famously dropped that opening bomb against FSU. Who cares? He developed. And, he then more famously made "big time plays" against FSU on "The Drive."
 
Culture does take time you’re right, but TrumpyCane has one question?

How long does it take to see certain players from the past regime such as Flagg, Ivey, Mallory keep ******** up. Did Mario not look at the previous 3 years of game film?

Everyone knows this team isn’t going to win 10+ games so why do they keep trotting out the same scrubs that for now 4 years have shown constant mistakes and zero improvement?
Exactly. If Mario is going to continue to preach accountability, it's time to start showing it.
 
I'm so tired of hearing the culture excuse year in and year out, coaching regime after coaching regime. It's so tired and a cop out for coaches and a way to deflect blame for losing onto the players. USC was 4-8 last year. You know what they did? Brought in a great coach, added key players via transfer portal, and they've already matched their win total from last season. Guess they didn't have much of a culture problem. As someone said in another thread, you know what fixes culture problems? Winning. No more excuses Mario. Get to work and figure out a way to not lose to teams like Middle Tennessee State.
 
Revisiting this topic from the offseason because of how Mario needs to weave in optimizing what he currently has WHILE transforming the program's culture (over time). Those of us rooting for losses and more destruction are completely missing the mark this time, IMO. Mario is here to stay. The MTSU game sets him back - whether people want to admit that or not - but we can't just lose whatever games and think "well, we'll clean house quicker." There will be consequences in recruiting, player buy-in, and more.

Re: culture, I said this (and other things) in Feb:

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In no way did or do I expect for culture to change in "45 seconds." It's just not realistic. Mario has a ton of ongoing work to do in that aspect.

None of that explains the loss to MTSU, questionable fits in hiring, or gameday issues.

The most impactful, immediate thing Mario could have done was hire great fits as coordinators and positional coaches. Despite what we saw on Saturday, I still think he did a really solid job on defense. Scheme/coordinator changes often have immediate benefits or consequences. It's partly why transfer players can go into a new system and look like new players. Even QBs. It's why Lashlee and even, gasp, Diaz took Enos/D'onofrio systems and somehow made similar or the same players look better.

BUT, THE CULTURE PART DOESN'T JUST TRANSFORM.

If it did, companies would flip a switch on leaders and turn [more] profitable. To expect it in a college football program of 18-23 year olds is unrealistic. As I said in February, that usually takes lots of personnel turnover and acquisition.

BTW, this is also a Rad issue. We need more smart people in the building. And, Mario has to hopefully be open to them (I hear he is). And, no, they don't all need traditional backgrounds or UM playing/coaching experience (see: Mcdaniel's early returns for the Phins). If a coach or coordinator isn't working out or was a bad decision, part of building the culture you want is being consistent on accountability.

That's keeping it 100.

Fans are emotional. Fans in the state of Florida annoyingly want to blame coaching and schemes for EVERYTHING. And then they call our players "kids" like they are blameless victims, and absolve them from ANY responsibility. Coaching might be PART of the problem, but let's be real... Miami should be able to run the most vanilla, basic schemes on the planet and STILL handle MTSU easily.

Besides, Cristobal won two Rose Bowls, Steele has had top defenses at multiple stops, and Gattis is last year's Broyles Award winner. And that's not even mentioning guys like Charlie Strong, Jason Taylor, etc etc. This coaching staff is not the issue.

This was 100% an EFFORT issue. They couldn't be bothered to show up and try hard, even when they were losing. And that is on THE PLAYERS. You can have all the talent in the world, but if you don't have the drive to win, the desire to compete, then you deserve to lose to MTSU and frankly you deserve to never play football again and fade in to obscurity.

That, to me, is culture. I would love to hear what Highsmith had to say after the game. This stuff falls right in to his wheelhouse and I think he's the right guy to fix the issue IMO. We need to recruit players who have a chip on their shoulder.
 
That's keeping it 100.

Fans are emotional. Fans in the state of Florida annoyingly want to blame coaching and schemes for EVERYTHING. And then they call our players "kids" like they are blameless victims, and absolve them from ANY responsibility. Coaching might be PART of the problem, but let's be real... Miami should be able to run the most vanilla, basic schemes on the planet and STILL handle MTSU easily.

Besides, Cristobal won two Rose Bowls, Steele has had top defenses at multiple stops, and Gattis is last year's Broyles Award winner. And that's not even mentioning guys like Charlie Strong, Jason Taylor, etc etc. This coaching staff is not the issue.

This was 100% an EFFORT issue. And somewhat of a talent (speed) issue at positions like CB. But mostly it was just down to pure lack of effort and mental preparation for the game. And that is on THE PLAYERS. You can have all the talent in the world, but if you don't have the drive to win, the desire to compete, then you deserve to lose to MTSU and frankly you deserve to never play football again and fade in to obscurity.

That, to me, is culture. I would love to hear what Highsmith had to say after the game. This stuff falls right in to his wheelhouse and I think he's the right guy to fix the issue IMO. We need to recruit players who have a chip on their shoulder.
FYI - Cristobal won 1 Rose Bowl.

"The coaching staff is not the issue" - Name one player that has elevated his game this year over last year?
 
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I think an underrated selling point to A-type personality recruits is
“we don’t only need you because of your talents on the field, but also because of your mentality in the locker room. We want you and the rest of the class to come in and bring that dog mentality that Legends in the past possessed.”

The “go where you’re needed” selling point extends passed what we see on the field.
 
After this weeks performance this is a bad team. I can see one player not putting out during the game but not the whole team on both sides of the ball. Like it was scripted. After 4 games bashing coaches when most of don’t have a clue what we are talking about is just ridiculous. This team is so bad that how do you know that all the play calls you want to see and schemes haven’t already been tried during practice with a worse result? This team has no heart and they don’t care for a discipline coach. There is so much talent on the staff and sidelines with ex players etc. this is a team uncoachable weak and no shame.
 
I'm so tired of hearing the culture excuse year in and year out, coaching regime after coaching regime. It's so tired and a cop out for coaches and a way to deflect blame for losing onto the players. USC was 4-8 last year. You know what they did? Brought in a great coach, added key players via transfer portal, and they've already matched their win total from last season. Guess they didn't have much of a culture problem. As someone said in another thread, you know what fixes culture problems? Winning. No more excuses Mario. Get to work and figure out a way to not lose to teams like Middle Tennessee State.
If you read the OP as "culture" being an excuse for Mario, you read it and the subsequent posts incorrectly. But, go ahead and fire from the hip.

Like I said above, Mario deserves all of the wrath right now. IMO, he especially deserves wrath for creating a situation where offensive players (e.g. the QB) look WORSE than they did just last season.

Doesn't change the reality we have to change how players collectively think, work, and commit. Maybe that's via removal or purge. Maybe it's through turnover. Probably, it's both. Again, BOTH things have to happen simultaneously and, ironically, this thread is about making it clear Mario is not absolved from one while doing the other.
 
FYI - Cristobal won 1 Rose Bowl.

"The coaching staff is not the issue" - Name one player that has elevated his game this year over last year?

Oh just one Rose Bowl and two conference championships? LOL what a bum, huh?

Bro just stop. These coaches have resumes a mile long. It's a good staff. The players aren't motivated, and that's on them. They don't have the desire to win. The competitiveness.

The one series where they actually gave a ****, they sacked MTSU QB like three plays in a row. And then they went back to sleep. Because that's who they are.

Motivation and drive are something one man cannot impart on another, that's why it's not on the coaches. Motivation has to come from within or you will be mediocre at whatever you do, no matter how much talent you have.
 
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I think an underrated selling point to A-type personality recruits is
“we don’t only need you because of your talents on the field, but also because of your mentality in the locker room. We want you and the rest of the class to come in and bring that dog mentality that Legends in the past possessed.”

The “go where you’re needed” selling point extends passed what we see on the field.

I think we've purposely recruited beta personality types in the past because the admin didn't want that Thug U image. But to win, you need men who have that competitive fire, who won't accept losing no matter what, who are driven to succeed at any cost. If you knock them down, they get up swinging.

We have too many "yes sir" types on this team who look like they would rather take a nap than play football on Saturday. You can't coach lazy out of someone.
 
Oh just one Rose Bowl and two conference championships? LOL what a bum, huh?

Bro just stop. These coaches have resumes a mile long. It's a good staff. The players aren't motivated, and that's on them. They don't have the desire to win. The competitiveness.

The one series where they actually gave a ****, they sacked MTSU QB like three plays in a row. And then they went back to sleep. Because that's who they are.

Motivation and drive are something one man cannot impart on another, that's why it's not on the coaches. Motivation has to come from within or you will be mediocre at whatever you do, no matter how much talent you have.
You are still misrepresenting Mario's accomplishments. He "won" the PAC 12 Championship in the 2020 COVID year while compiling a 4-3 record. That's nothing special.
 
This is a bunch of bull****z. Do you know how many dudes are either Freshman, second year dudes, or transfers brought in by MC that are on ‘ships? Yep, 45…forty-five players that have no baggage or very little for which any coach worth his salt changes the perceived BS ‘culture’ issue.

So for the MC apologists when you have 70 plus ‘ship players next season directly brought in by MC and/or have been with MC more than MD, what will the excuse(s) be….
No excuses for the loss none. But I think you need to take a closer look at those 45 new players. How many of them are starters or get significant playing for this team….yep as you count those players you will realize almost all of them from the past regime are the ones playing all the snaps….the old culture players
 
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You are still misrepresenting Mario's accomplishments. He "won" the PAC 12 Championship in the 2020 COVID year while compiling a 4-3 record. That's nothing special.

Are you serious? And what about what he did to Ohio State last year, taking them to the woodshed? Bro, Mario is a good coach. It's funny how all of these coaches on the staff were able to win and develop players everywhere else but once they get around these lazy South Florida bums, now they can't get it done.

The kids are lazy and have no fight in them. That's why we lost. There's no coaching that out of them, all Mario and company can do is weed those players out over time and replace them with kids who actually want to win.

End of story.
 
Weve heard the culture **** since Shannon. Never changed no matter who coached or recruited.


You know what we havent had?????


Top tier coordinators. Maybe start there for a change. Winning and playing exciting football cures alot.
 
If you read the OP as "culture" being an excuse for Mario, you read it and the subsequent posts incorrectly. But, go ahead and fire from the hip.

Like I said above, Mario deserves all of the wrath right now. IMO, he especially deserves wrath for creating a situation where offensive players (e.g. the QB) look WORSE than they did just last season.

Doesn't change the reality we have to change how players collectively think, work, and commit. Maybe that's via removal or purge. Maybe it's through turnover. Probably, it's both. Again, BOTH things have to happen simultaneously and, ironically, this thread is about making it clear Mario is not absolved from one while doing the other.

I feel like the fan base and community “want” to get behind the Miami Hurricanes, ie game attendance, but just like the Marlins, need some sustained success to completely buy in, because we are all battered spouses at this point.

I’m sick thinking how things COULD have taken off for this program had Mario made a good, not even great, hire at OC compared to the giant whiff in Gattis
 
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Are you serious? And what about what he did to Ohio State last year, taking them to the woodshed? Bro, Mario is a good coach. It's funny how all of these coaches on the staff were able to win and develop players everywhere else but once they get around these lazy South Florida bums, now they can't get it done.

The kids are lazy and have no fight in them. That's why we lost. There's no coaching that out of them, all Mario and company can do is weed those players out over time and replace them with kids who actually want to win.

End of story.
In full disclosure, we should mention that Utah took Mario behind the woodshed twice last year in a 2 week period.
 
Weve heard the culture **** since Shannon. Never changed no matter who coached or recruited.


You know what we havent had?????


Top tier coordinators. Maybe start there for a change. Winning and playing exciting football cures alot.

We literally have last year's Broyles award winner at OC. Just stop. That's the definition of "top tier."

Stop trying to excuse a lazy and unmotivated performance by these players, and try holding them accountable for once.

Honestly your mentality is part of the problem. Yeah we can fire Gattis and pay someone else a million dollars to come draw different X's and O's on the chalk board. It won't ******* matter. If the fans and community held the players accountable for their disgusting lack of effort, instead of trying to shift the blame to "skeemz" or whatever, maybe that would light a fire under some of them to be a better version of themselves.

But nope, not this fanbase. We gotta shift the blame to X's and O's, which is totally laughable because we shouldn't need X's and O's wizardry to line up and beat ******* Middle Tennessee. We SHOULD and CAN line up and whip them with the most vanilla of schemes, we just didn't and that's EFFORT, pure and simple.
 
@DMoney @Peter Ariz @Cribby

Dumb question here, but anyone with ties to the program, or actual working programs elsewhere, how is Mario approaching this gigantic dilemma in-season? He’s a smart guy and preaches collecting info and different opinions. How does Mario improve the offense because I can’t believe he’s giving Gattis the autonomy to figure it out on his own.
 
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