Spring thoughts (offense)

Spring thoughts (offense)

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1. Anticipation/processing
2. Release/mechanics
3. Feel/instinct/movement in pocket
4. Accuracy
5. Arm strength

In college, you can probably flip #2 and #3 . It's crazy to me how often people overlook shoddy mechanics. A release is like a golf swing - it can be altered, but it'll be a long process and most people go back to their default when the pressure is on. I've rarely seen someone make a 180 degree type change to a poor release.

other than aaron rodgers moving away from the tedford style of holding the ball (which didnt really impact release), i cant think of a QB who has successfully adjusted their mechanics at any level.
I've seen minor cleanups, but nothing drastic. Tedford's high hold, like Spurrier's, was too rigid. In fact, when Brock Berlin got here, he was sorta mind****ed with it. His last year, he went to a lower, more natural position and looked incredibly better. Probably not all because of the change, but something to consider in correlation. Release is really important!
 
The problem with looking at stats is...

They can be very misleading. He could be playing for a ****ty Offensive Coordinator. He could be playing with scrub skill players. He could be playing in a run-heavy offense.
At the same token, his stats could be awesome cause he plays with incredible skills players or for a great/innovative OC.

High school stats mean nothing. They've never meant anything. Not a single god **** college coach asks about them when recruiting a kid.

The problem with not looking at stats is that you miss the simple, but true, correlation between ****** qb play in High School and ****** qb play in college.
 
The problem with looking at stats is...

They can be very misleading. He could be playing for a ****ty Offensive Coordinator. He could be playing with scrub skill players. He could be playing in a run-heavy offense.
At the same token, his stats could be awesome cause he plays with incredible skills players or for a great/innovative OC.

High school stats mean nothing. They've never meant anything. Not a single god **** college coach asks about them when recruiting a kid.

The problem with not looking at stats is that you miss the simple, but true, correlation between ****** qb play in High School and ****** qb play in college.

Guys who get paid to extend offers aren't using stats to determine ****ty QB play, they're using film.
 
The Sitkowski "stats" argument is dumb because he's pretty obviously going to put up monster numbers this year at IMG.

Come November, it will be the exact same situation as Francois: Bad numbers pre-IMG, huge numbers at IMG.

If he somehow fails at IMG then yeah, that would say alot. But I'd bet pretty much anything that doesn't happen

All I'm saying is he needs to significantly improve at IMG, otherwise he's the same kind of risk that most HS QBs with poor numbers are.

If he puts up poor numbers this year, that's a red flag. Because at that point you're expecting him to perform in college much better than he ever has, in a situation which requires infinitely more preparation, study, physical skills and mental toughness. It's just common sense.

Anyway, assuming everything stays the same, I don't even see him as a possible candidate for playing any until 2019, and starting 2020. If he starts in 2019, I'll take bets on that with me on the no-side.
 
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The problem with looking at stats is...

They can be very misleading. He could be playing for a ****ty Offensive Coordinator. He could be playing with scrub skill players. He could be playing in a run-heavy offense.
At the same token, his stats could be awesome cause he plays with incredible skills players or for a great/innovative OC.

High school stats mean nothing. They've never meant anything. Not a single god **** college coach asks about them when recruiting a kid.

The problem with not looking at stats is that you miss the simple, but true, correlation between ****ty qb play in High School and ****ty qb play in college.

Guys who get paid to extend offers aren't using stats to determine ****ty QB play, they're using film.

Right, which is probably why high school qb's who have ****** production usually don't get (major) offers- because they fail the criteria set out by your boy in the posted text. Obviously film is helpful and necessary when adjudicating between two high school qb's with solid production... but, regardless of how a kid looks on film, if he can't put it together on the high school football field, then he probably won't put it together in college.
 
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I actually entertained the thought of me being wrong so I checked with my buddy, who played QB and coached/scouted QB's on the college level. Nothing about stats.

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The long list of big-time schools that offered Sitkowski would suggest that stats don't matter as well. But what do all of those guys know?

Clearly you guys are better at evaluating QB's than my buddy who's coached/scouted QB's on the college level plus a bunch of big-time college programs that don't seem to be bothered by Artur's stats. LOL

If a high school QB has all those skills mentioned in the text it generally translates to production unless he's extremely slow in processing information or just a basketcase on the field in which case he's screwed anyway. Good 'ol [MENTION=12910]Brooklyndee[/MENTION] said Sitkowski is a bit of mess mentally. TFWIW considering the source but none of those supposed physical skills Arthur has is gonna help him if he can't get out of his own head.

Once again good high school QBs make those around them better. Thats just the nature of the position and its importance. People made excuses for Jack because his teammates "weren't any good". Sitkowski will have no such excuses.
 
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My spring thoughts are this team will go as far as Mark Walton is going to take them.

It's time for him to cement himself as the guy or someone who didn't live up to the expectation.
 
My spring thoughts are this team will go as far as Mark Walton is going to take them.

It's time for him to cement himself as the guy or someone who didn't live up to the expectation.

Walton's got a ton of talent...but if we don't get something that resembles competent QB play, he's going to be receiving a steady diet of 8 and 9 men in the box.

How far this team goes will be directly correlated with how close or how far our QB's approach or exceed "competent" production. Our defense and running game are good enough to basically guarantee us 7 or 8 wins given our relatively ****** schedule....it's the remaining 3-4 games which will determine the Coastal, our program's trajectory, and the overall success of the season. We're going to need "competent" QB play in those 3-4 games, which is ALL that matters. You can't expect an RB to do it without help from his QB in the games that really matter.
 
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Wasn't Sitkowski running a wishbone offense at his last school? How can you judge his stats in that type of offense or compare him to Francios?
 
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My spring thoughts are this team will go as far as Mark Walton is going to take them.

It's time for him to cement himself as the guy or someone who didn't live up to the expectation.

Walton's got a ton of talent...but if we don't get something that resembles competent QB play, he's going to be receiving a steady diet of 8 and 9 men in the box.

How far this team goes will be directly correlated with how close or how far our QB's approach or exceed "competent" production. Our defense and running game are good enough to basically guarantee us 7 or 8 wins given our relatively ****ty schedule....it's the remaining 3-4 games which will determine the Coastal, our program's trajectory, and the overall success of the season. We're going to need "competent" QB play in those 3-4 games, which is ALL that matters. You can't expect an RB to do it without help from his QB in the games that really matter.

Gonna be hard to stack the box with the WR talent coming in, but that's the dilemma you want to create for the defense. If the DBs play off, then we have the hitch/slant/rpo game; we'll be fine. The offense is not going to look like it did last season with Brad; it's gonna run more smoothly come September.

I think people are overreacting, big-time. Are we in an ideal situation? No, because we don't have a proven QB, but I have full confidence in Richt's ability to use the run/option game to stack the box to create 1 on 1s on the outside. We will run to throw the ball this season, and Malik has enough athleticism to be a threat, moxie to lead, and touch to make throws.

And whoever starts game one with be a different QB come game 7,8,9, etc... You have to look at the big picture, depth and all the considerations one has to make regarding attrition and our ultimate goal of winning the coastal.
 
My spring thoughts are this team will go as far as Mark Walton is going to take them.

It's time for him to cement himself as the guy or someone who didn't live up to the expectation.

Walton's got a ton of talent...but if we don't get something that resembles competent QB play, he's going to be receiving a steady diet of 8 and 9 men in the box.

How far this team goes will be directly correlated with how close or how far our QB's approach or exceed "competent" production. Our defense and running game are good enough to basically guarantee us 7 or 8 wins given our relatively ****ty schedule....it's the remaining 3-4 games which will determine the Coastal, our program's trajectory, and the overall success of the season. We're going to need "competent" QB play in those 3-4 games, which is ALL that matters. You can't expect an RB to do it without help from his QB in the games that really matter.

Gonna be hard to stack the box with the WR talent coming in, but that's the dilemma you want to create for the defense. If the DBs play off, then we have the hitch/slant/rpo game; we'll be fine. The offense is not going to look like it did last season with Brad; it's gonna run more smoothly come September.

I think people are overreacting, big-time. Are we in an ideal situation? No, because we don't have a proven QB, but I have full confidence in Richt's ability to use the run/option game to stack the box to create 1 on 1s on the outside. We will run to throw the ball this season, and Malik has enough athleticism to be a threat, moxie to lead, and touch to make throws.

And whoever starts game one with be a different QB come game 7,8,9, etc... You have to look at the big picture, depth and all the considerations one has to make regarding attrition and our ultimate goal of winning the coastal.

Couldn't disagree more. It's not an overreaction, it's an assessment of where we stand as of today. As of today...the depth chart at QB doesn't look good. Could Perry defy the odds and light the world on fire as a true freshman ? Sure...not probable but it is possible.

Could Rosier end up being a "gamer" who plays better in games than he does in practice? Maybe

Could the Sheriff be an adequate game manager? Who knows

But what we do know is that as of right now...we don't have answers on any of these 3 options nor do we have any sort of sample size on which to base any assumptions. You could be right and we could end up getting improved play as the season goes on...but as of today there is plenty of reason to be concerned. We've got a very good defense, good WR's, a good TE, and a good RB...but the most important position on the field is a huge question mark and will have a direct correlation on what our season ends up looking like.
 
The problem with looking at stats is...

They can be very misleading. He could be playing for a ****ty Offensive Coordinator. He could be playing with scrub skill players. He could be playing in a run-heavy offense.
At the same token, his stats could be awesome cause he plays with incredible skills players or for a great/innovative OC.

High school stats mean nothing. They've never meant anything. Not a single god **** college coach asks about them when recruiting a kid.

The problem with not looking at stats is that you miss the simple, but true, correlation between ****** qb play in High School and ****** qb play in college.
Exactly. Sometimes guys who think they're too smart miss the obvious. These dudes can't put together a 3 person list of great college QBs who threw twice as many picks as TDs in HS. Sitkowski still has this year to turn it around, but the "my buddy knows more than you because he's the recruiting coordinator at East El Paso Tech is unpersuasive. The NFL fck up QB evaluations all the time.
 
My spring thoughts are this team will go as far as Mark Walton is going to take them.

It's time for him to cement himself as the guy or someone who didn't live up to the expectation.

Mark Walton goes as far as his oline takes him.
 
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McDermott always reminded me of Jake Matthews. Can be exposed by certain types of power athletes but he's a good technician with quick feet. Pairing him with a LG that can vertical-set well would be ideal.
 
My spring thoughts are this team will go as far as Mark Walton is going to take them.

It's time for him to cement himself as the guy or someone who didn't live up to the expectation.

 
My spring thoughts are this team will go as far as Mark Walton is going to take them.

It's time for him to cement himself as the guy or someone who didn't live up to the expectation.

Walton's got a ton of talent...but if we don't get something that resembles competent QB play, he's going to be receiving a steady diet of 8 and 9 men in the box.

How far this team goes will be directly correlated with how close or how far our QB's approach or exceed "competent" production. Our defense and running game are good enough to basically guarantee us 7 or 8 wins given our relatively ****ty schedule....it's the remaining 3-4 games which will determine the Coastal, our program's trajectory, and the overall success of the season. We're going to need "competent" QB play in those 3-4 games, which is ALL that matters. You can't expect an RB to do it without help from his QB in the games that really matter.

Gonna be hard to stack the box with the WR talent coming in, but that's the dilemma you want to create for the defense. If the DBs play off, then we have the hitch/slant/rpo game; we'll be fine. The offense is not going to look like it did last season with Brad; it's gonna run more smoothly come September.

I think people are overreacting, big-time. Are we in an ideal situation? No, because we don't have a proven QB, but I have full confidence in Richt's ability to use the run/option game to stack the box to create 1 on 1s on the outside. We will run to throw the ball this season, and Malik has enough athleticism to be a threat, moxie to lead, and touch to make throws.

And whoever starts game one with be a different QB come game 7,8,9, etc... You have to look at the big picture, depth and all the considerations one has to make regarding attrition and our ultimate goal of winning the coastal.

Couldn't disagree more. It's not an overreaction, it's an assessment of where we stand as of today. As of today...the depth chart at QB doesn't look good. Could Perry defy the odds and light the world on fire as a true freshman ? Sure...not probable but it is possible.

Could Rosier end up being a "gamer" who plays better in games than he does in practice? Maybe

Could the Sheriff be an adequate game manager? Who knows

But what we do know is that as of right now...we don't have answers on any of these 3 options nor do we have any sort of sample size on which to base any assumptions. You could be right and we could end up getting improved play as the season goes on...but as of today there is plenty of reason to be concerned. We've got a very good defense, good WR's, a good TE, and a good RB...but the most important position on the field is a huge question mark and will have a direct correlation on what our season ends up looking like.

That's cool, we all have different levels of comfort with uncertainty; and some people cry when they watch The Notebook or Bridges of Madison County.

I'll stand by what I said about "Richt's ability to use the run/option game to stack the box & create 1 on 1s on the outside". It's less about what the QB can't do and more about what the QB can do, then utilizing a scheme/play-call to emphasize his strengths and minimize weaknesses.

In 2014 GT went 11-3 (10-2 regular season, 6-2 in the costal) before losing in the ACCCG. Then they baptized Miss. St. in the Orange Bowl; all with the triple option and Justin Thomas' 187 pass attempts for 96 completions. That's about 14 attempts and 8 completions per game... I would argue our skill talent on offense and QBs' ability the throw the ball is better than theirs was in 2014.

Now, while I recognize we're not a Triple Option team, I use this example to demonstrate how you are pre-maturely over-emphasizing our passing game, without focusing on scheme integrity/execution to create 1 on 1 opportunities for our playmaking RBs/WRs.

Again, we will run to throw the ball this season. Our QBs will have to manage the game (to stay on schedule down and distance-wise), not turn the ball over, run the ball when they have a(n) need/opportunity, and make throws in 1 on 1 situations. This, IMO, is why we hear about the QBs being asked to do a lot of things (or make a lot of decisions) in "Richt's System".

This all reminds me of a young Charlie Ward, who was a great athlete but excelled in game management; much the way a PG manages a basketball game. I can see why Richt is all in on Perry and draws comparisons to Ward, because like Charlie he's a great athlete who brings a PG mindset to football.

IMO, Richt sees a similar pass-first/get everyone involved mentality with N'Kosi, and like him I believe in his ability to coach that.
 
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1. Anticipation/processing
2. Release/mechanics
3. Feel/instinct/movement in pocket
4. Accuracy
5. Arm strength

In college, you can probably flip #2 and #3 . It's crazy to me how often people overlook shoddy mechanics. A release is like a golf swing - it can be altered, but it'll be a long process and most people go back to their default when the pressure is on. I've rarely seen someone make a 180 degree type change to a poor release.

other than aaron rodgers moving away from the tedford style of holding the ball (which didnt really impact release), i cant think of a QB who has successfully adjusted their mechanics at any level.
I've seen minor cleanups, but nothing drastic. Tedford's high hold, like Spurrier's, was too rigid. In fact, when Brock Berlin got here, he was sorta mind****ed with it. His last year, he went to a lower, more natural position and looked incredibly better. Probably not all because of the change, but something to consider in correlation. Release is really important!

**** you are right on this. I remember Aaron Rodgers when he was at Cal had that "high hold" **** in his mechanics. Didnt think about the fact that was all Telford. Looks like a totally different QB now.
 
I actually entertained the thought of me being wrong so I checked with my buddy, who played QB and coached/scouted QB's on the college level. Nothing about stats.

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The long list of big-time schools that offered Sitkowski would suggest that stats don't matter as well. But what do all of those guys know?

Clearly you guys are better at evaluating QB's than my buddy who's coached/scouted QB's on the college level plus a bunch of big-time college programs that don't seem to be bothered by Artur's stats. LOL

If a high school QB has all those skills mentioned in the text it generally translates to production unless he's extremely slow in processing information or just a basketcase on the field in which case he's screwed anyway. Good 'ol [MENTION=12910]Brooklyndee[/MENTION] said Sitkowski is a bit of mess mentally. TFWIW considering the source but none of those supposed physical skills Arthur has is gonna help him if he can't get out of his own head.

Once again good high school QBs make those around them better. Thats just the nature of the position and its importance. People made excuses for Jack because his teammates "weren't any good". Sitkowski will have no such excuses.

What a genius statement considering a moron made it. "Good high school qbs make those around them better" glad that only applies to high school qbs. That explains you **** boys front runner sherriffs. Since he's technically a "college" qb he doesnt need to make anyone around him better. You mention my name constantly like a jilted female. Get a life queen
 
I actually entertained the thought of me being wrong so I checked with my buddy, who played QB and coached/scouted QB's on the college level. Nothing about stats.

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The long list of big-time schools that offered Sitkowski would suggest that stats don't matter as well. But what do all of those guys know?

Clearly you guys are better at evaluating QB's than my buddy who's coached/scouted QB's on the college level plus a bunch of big-time college programs that don't seem to be bothered by Artur's stats. LOL

If a high school QB has all those skills mentioned in the text it generally translates to production unless he's extremely slow in processing information or just a basketcase on the field in which case he's screwed anyway. Good 'ol [MENTION=12910]Brooklyndee[/MENTION] said Sitkowski is a bit of mess mentally. TFWIW considering the source but none of those supposed physical skills Arthur has is gonna help him if he can't get out of his own head.

Once again good high school QBs make those around them better. Thats just the nature of the position and its importance. People made excuses for Jack because his teammates "weren't any good". Sitkowski will have no such excuses.

What a genius statement considering a moron made it. "Good high school qbs make those around them better" glad that only applies to high school qbs. That explains you **** boys front runner sherriffs. Since he's technically a "college" qb he doesnt need to make anyone around him better. You mention my name constantly like a jilted female. Get a life queen

Coming at me about Shirreffs is laughable when I've continually questioned his elevated status on this board. Any time things about his play are actually available to the public such as his numbers in scrimmages or actually getting to watch him play he turns out to be pretty bad at the QB thing.

Oh look you'd called me a name. That part of your garbage is the only thing that exceeds your penchant for being wrong. So much information on Allison and his progress yet you didn't know Richt wanted more mobility at the QB position and that might have affected Jack's status in the QB battle? Just perfect.

Being wrong is fine. You leaning on "I watch practice, I know stuff so every one can STFU" is the best part about all the misses.
 
The problem with looking at stats is...

They can be very misleading. He could be playing for a ****ty Offensive Coordinator. He could be playing with scrub skill players. He could be playing in a run-heavy offense.
At the same token, his stats could be awesome cause he plays with incredible skills players or for a great/innovative OC.

High school stats mean nothing. They've never meant anything. Not a single god **** college coach asks about them when recruiting a kid.

The problem with not looking at stats is that you miss the simple, but true, correlation between ****** qb play in High School and ****** qb play in college.
Exactly. Sometimes guys who think they're too smart miss the obvious. These dudes can't put together a 3 person list of great college QBs who threw twice as many picks as TDs in HS. Sitkowski still has this year to turn it around, but the "my buddy knows more than you because he's the recruiting coordinator at East El Paso Tech is unpersuasive. The NFL fck up QB evaluations all the time.

Boy I've seen 10x as many fvcked up evaluations on this god **** site as I've seen in college football and the NFL.

I'm supposed to trust the word of a bunch of accountants, attorneys and male strippers over the word of a college QB coach and countless major college football programs?

Mannnnnn...

SEE THE DOOR.
 
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