Spring Practice 4/19 - Early Portion Notes

Apr 19, 2018

Just a few quick hitters today from the early part of the last day of spring practice with the final scrimmage set for Saturday:

**Cade Weldon returned from his eye infection today. Was throwing with the third team ahead of Jarren Williams.

**Trajan Bandy was ahead of Jhavonte Dean at corner with the 1's along with Mike Jackson.

**OL 1st team: LT St Louis LG Jones C Gauthier RG Mahoney RT Donaldson

**OL 2nd team: LT Brown LG Scaife C Gaynor RG Hillery RT Campbell

**OL 3rd team: Herbert Milo Dykstra

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g8rh8rMD

Apr 20, 2018

Loose Cannon said:
Richt has basically said of Williams that he doesn't know what he's doing, but he looks good doing it. Settle down, bro. Give the man a minute. Remember. He should be trying to lock down a date for the senior prom rather than QB#1 at Miami. If he looks good when he doesn't know what to do, imagine what he'll look like when he does.

I hears ya. And I hear the logic that the order during warmups when SMDH is watching don't mean jack squat. I also get the logic to keep getting everyone a fair number of reps to keep the competition alive and make sure everyone feels they're getting a fair shot so that we don't end up with everyone but the starter transferring out.

What I do want to see right now is, at worst, an even split of reps between Mr. 48%, Perry, and Williams. It'd be great to hear Cade is tearing it up out there, but quite honestly it seems at this point that Perry and Williams are our only hope (for a championship caliber offense) and these guys need the reps in order to get better. We don't need Williams out on a corner field tossing a ball around with the rugby team when he could well be the best QB on the roster.

Given Malik's inability to put a catchable ball in the hands of Jeff Thomas or Travis Homer at or within 3 yards of the line of scrimmage, we have GOT to give Perry and Williams every opportunity in the world to learn quickly and start getting the hard knock experience they will need if one of them is going to one day lead us to the promised land.

Loose Cannon

Apr 20, 2018

g8rh8rMD said:
I hears ya. And I hear the logic that the order during warmups when SMDH is watching don't mean jack squat. I also get the logic to keep getting everyone a fair number of reps to keep the competition alive and make sure everyone feels they're getting a fair shot so that we don't end up with everyone but the starter transferring out.

What I do want to see right now is, at worst, an even split of reps between Mr. 48%, Perry, and Williams. It'd be great to hear Cade is tearing it up out there, but quite honestly it seems at this point that Perry and Williams are our only hope (for a championship caliber offense) and these guys need the reps in order to get better. We don't need Williams out on a corner field tossing a ball around with the rugby team when he could well be the best QB on the roster.

Given Malik's inability to put a catchable ball in the hands of Jeff Thomas or Travis Homer at or within 3 yards of the line of scrimmage, we have GOT to give Perry and Williams every opportunity in the world to learn quickly and start getting the hard knock experience they will need if one of them is going to one day lead us to the promised land.

Just wrote on this here https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/williams-versus-perry.131691/post-3295690

and here https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/williams-versus-perry.131691/post-3295736

Let me know what you think.

g8rh8rMD

Apr 20, 2018

Loose Cannon said:
Just wrote on this here https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/williams-versus-perry.131691/post-3295690

and here https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/williams-versus-perry.131691/post-3295736

Let me know what you think.

What is that you're drinking over there? Logic? You know that's not allowed on the interwebz, right?

Yeah, you make good sense. You've basically got me convinced. And then... And then I go back to last Saturday watching Malik do absolutely nothing with the offense all game long.

The place I disagree is that when I watch our offense with Malik out there, I don't see a guy who really knows what he's doing out there, and I don't see a guy who is efficiently running the offense. And even if he is, he can't get first downs because he can't hit an ocean from the end of a dock. It may well be that, per your argument, Malik is the tallest short man in a land of midgets, but just because I know how a racecar works and can start the engine, get the car rolling, work my way up through the gears and turn laps around the track, that doesn't mean I can get it through a hairpin turn at 5 g's and 140mph. Even if you say that Malik is knowing where the ball should go, what the protections are supposed to be, etc (which is not what was apparent from watching him play last year), the offense stands no chance of working if he's hitting JT on a screen with an uncatchable bullet 2 yards from the target zone.

I'm not a football coach and Richt most certainly knows better than I, but I don't see how constantly going 3 and out and passes bouncing off the hands of diving receivers who are wide open is good for anybody. Honestly, having come from a coaching background and having a lot of experience coaching teams where you might have veterans at most positions and then having to bring fresh blood up to speed to replace a graduated player, it can be a learning opportunity for everyone. Veteran players have to be able to elaborate on responsibilities and the reasons for why a certain play does or does not work. Players become coaches on the field. Coaches have to reinforce concepts, and even veteran players can benefit from the repetition. Reps lead to exponential, or monumental, rather than incremental gains.

It's not something I was hoping for, looking for, or expecting, and it may well not be a fair assessment, but watching that spring game last weekend evaporated any remaining hope I had that Rosier had significant improvement left in him. I get that the DLine was dominant in the 1's vs 1's, but the reason the offense went 3 and out over and over again and didn't move the ball wasn't because of that. It was because Rosier missed a wide open 87 and made him dive for a ball for an 8 yard gain instead of a 20 yard catch and run. It was because Jeff Thomas couldn't handle a bullet of a screen pass thrown outside the ideal catch radius causing an incompletion on what could well have been a spectacular play, but was at worst a 4-5 yard gain. These are simple plays demonstrating an inability to handle basic concepts of the offense. These are the types of plays that keep an offense on schedule and give it a CHANCE to sustain drives. These are the types of throws that you absolutely HAVE to hit on at 90%+. This is basic stuff. Stuff #12 can't do.

I get what you're saying, but multiple guys can learn at the same time. Perry and Williams need reps.

The Franchise

Apr 20, 2018

One thing I’m certain of: Even if Rosier is the starter, you won’t see him miss multiple open receivers. He’ll get yanked because Rick knows that whoever the backup is that he’ll be a better option than Kent Tekulve was last year.

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mirvin88

Apr 20, 2018

Scorpion said:
I really do not like the current starting OL. Donaldson is not a tackle. They should have moved Gauthier to Tackle, instead, and let Mahoney and Gaynor battle it out for the Center position.

Center is the most important spot. You play your best center at center period.

Loose Cannon

Apr 20, 2018

g8rh8rMD said:
What is that you're drinking over there? Logic? You know that's not allowed on the interwebz, right?

Yeah, you make good sense. You've basically got me convinced. And then... And then I go back to last Saturday watching Malik do absolutely nothing with the offense all game long.

The place I disagree is that when I watch our offense with Malik out there, I don't see a guy who really knows what he's doing out there, and I don't see a guy who is efficiently running the offense. And even if he is, he can't get first downs because he can't hit an ocean from the end of a dock. It may well be that, per your argument, Malik is the tallest short man in a land of midgets, but just because I know how a racecar works and can start the engine, get the car rolling, work my way up through the gears and turn laps around the track, that doesn't mean I can get it through a hairpin turn at 5 g's and 140mph. Even if you say that Malik is knowing where the ball should go, what the protections are supposed to be, etc (which is not what was apparent from watching him play last year), the offense stands no chance of working if he's hitting JT on a screen with an uncatchable bullet 2 yards from the target zone.

I'm not a football coach and Richt most certainly knows better than I, but I don't see how constantly going 3 and out and passes bouncing off the hands of diving receivers who are wide open is good for anybody. Honestly, having come from a coaching background and having a lot of experience coaching teams where you might have veterans at most positions and then having to bring fresh blood up to speed to replace a graduated player, it can be a learning opportunity for everyone. Veteran players have to be able to elaborate on responsibilities and the reasons for why a certain play does or does not work. Players become coaches on the field. Coaches have to reinforce concepts, and even veteran players can benefit from the repetition. Reps lead to exponential, or monumental, rather than incremental gains.

It's not something I was hoping for, looking for, or expecting, and it may well not be a fair assessment, but watching that spring game last weekend evaporated any remaining hope I had that Rosier had significant improvement left in him. I get that the DLine was dominant in the 1's vs 1's, but the reason the offense went 3 and out over and over again and didn't move the ball wasn't because of that. It was because Rosier missed a wide open 87 and made him dive for a ball for an 8 yard gain instead of a 20 yard catch and run. It was because Jeff Thomas couldn't handle a bullet of a screen pass thrown outside the ideal catch radius causing an incompletion on what could well have been a spectacular play, but was at worst a 4-5 yard gain. These are simple plays demonstrating an inability to handle basic concepts of the offense. These are the types of plays that keep an offense on schedule and give it a CHANCE to sustain drives. These are the types of throws that you absolutely HAVE to hit on at 90%+. This is basic stuff. Stuff #12 can't do.

I get what you're saying, but multiple guys can learn at the same time. Perry and Williams need reps.

Fair enough. I’d have to be a pretty big idiot to try to argue against what a person like yourself sees with his own eyes. I wasn’t at the game after all. All I have to go on is periscope clips, what guys like yourself have relayed here, and what the coaches have said.

All I can maybe do to reconcile Richt’s evaluation with your own is offer up that maybe what Richt was looking for wasn’t so much scoring points or gaining yards, but did you make the right checks and reads? Perry often did not. Richt said as much, and that he’s still a little too quick to pull it down and leave a clean pocket. And I doubt that Williams even knows enough about the offense to even know what his checks are. Until he does, he’s not even going to get an opportunity to be graded on the same curve. But don’t worry. He’ll get there, and sooner rather than later if the reports on his work ethic and study habits are true. And N’kosi still has plenty of time to make it a race in the fall.

Stefan Adams

Apr 20, 2018

native said:
Whats's the deal with Gaynor? I thought he would have made bigger strides this year.

Heard he still has a ways to go mentally to fully grasp the center position, which is the toughest in terms of making the right reads and line calls. Last year, he was playing some guard, but this year they're trying to leave him at center and give him as many reps there as possible to groom him to take over the spot after Gauthier leaves next year