PODCAST: QB deep dive with Roman Marciante

MIA42178

Jun 5, 2018

gabedm said:
Roman, I think I got an idea for a podcast or maybe a youtube video-

Compare our top 3/4 qbs MECHANICALLY to the top 3/4 Qbs on whichever the top teams in the country are, lets say Clemson, Bama, etc.. or maybe our best opponent.

Look at things like accuracy, mechanics, stance/pocket presence etc... just go off of spring film.

This way we can see for certain if there is a visible talent drop off - OR - we are putting too much stock in the QB position and should be worrying about having the best offensive and defensive lines.

All I know is when we were *** pounding competition in the early 2000s we didn't have much at QB. Kenny was good, but hes always had a noodle arm and we still beat everyone to death.

Call this an engineering experiment, 'Does having an elite QB mean you are more apt to make the playoffs?'

Dorsey’s arm, while not Payton Manning, was not noodle. As far as college QBs go, that noodle arm argument is a myth. You don’t get nominated for a heisman at the most important position on the team by not being much.

How many games did you see Dorsey play live?

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hoover437

Jun 5, 2018

Rellyrell said:
Our **** poor coaching from back in the day ruined a whole bunch of QB careers

QBs players all over the field. Lutcher Robinson and porter as a true freshmen looked like the next in line til they were fatten up and made to play party cake!! Like dmoneu said, jacorey was drawing up plays in the huddle his senior year yet that ishtty coaching took his power away, even though they did nothing to bring in other talented kids to play with that class. So happy we have a real Miami staff again.

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hoover437

Jun 5, 2018

Also loved the comments about Kayaa, one diffidently saw the change, I thought it was less RPO and more just sling! Either way an adjustment was made.

Roman Marciante

Jun 5, 2018

umhurricane2511 said:
Awesome podcast. Really great content.

Oh, and Maryland wasn’t the reason Jacory was gun shy...

That's right.

. Maryland was Morris first start. Sorry mental dyslexia reared its ugly head.

gabednconfused

Jun 5, 2018

MIA42178 said:
Dorsey’s arm, while not Payton Manning, was not noodle. As far as college QBs go, that noodle arm argument is a myth. You don’t get nominated for a heisman at the most important position on the team by not being much.

How many games did you see Dorsey play live?

Every single home game he started, in person, and just about every away game except for his 2000 loss to WU bud. I'm not fly by night.

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ddann

Jun 5, 2018

I wouldn't say Dorsey had a noodle arm. He did have a side-arm delivery, though, and the ball didn't always look like a pretty spiral when he threw it. But, it went where it was supposed to go.

Watching Ken Dorsey and Derrick Crudup warm up it was obvious that Crudup had the smoother, tighter throwing motion and threw a tighter spiral. Which one would you want under center as your QB? This is similar to the track speed vs. football speed discussion.

MIA42178

Jun 5, 2018

ddann said:
I wouldn't say Dorsey had a noodle arm. He did have a side-arm delivery, though, and the ball didn't always look like a pretty spiral when he threw it. But, it went where it was supposed to go.

Watching Ken Dorsey and Derrick Crudup warm up it was obvious that Crudup had the smoother, tighter throwing motion and threw a tighter spiral. Which one would you want under center as your QB? This is similar to the track speed vs. football speed discussion.

I don’t disagree.

The thrust of the argument was that “we didn’t have much at QB”
Ex A. Dorsey’s noodle arm.

As you stated, Dorsey got the ball where it needed to go.

My point was a heisman candidate QB shouldn’t be considered “not much at QB”.

Not just a heisman candidate QB. But a two time heisman candidate QB. To suggest he wasn’t much at QB is laughable

SWFLHurricane

Jun 5, 2018

ddann said:
I wouldn't say Dorsey had a noodle arm. He did have a side-arm delivery, though, and the ball didn't always look like a pretty spiral when he threw it. But, it went where it was supposed to go.

Watching Ken Dorsey and Derrick Crudup warm up it was obvious that Crudup had the smoother, tighter throwing motion and threw a tighter spiral. Which one would you want under center as your QB? This is similar to the track speed vs. football speed discussion.

I Played catch with Kenny Manyyy times...of course it wasn't Brett Favre strong...but it was plenty strong enough...watch the last drive against FSU in 2000...he was zipping the ball in.....As far as Crudup....Meh....Scott Covington & Kelly easily had the best arms of UM QBs from 92-2003

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ddann

Jun 5, 2018

caneinorlando said:
I Played catch with Kenny Manyyy times...of course it wasn't Brett Favre strong...but it was plenty strong enough...watch the last drive against FSU in 2000...he was zipping the ball in.....As far as Crudup....Meh....Scott Covington & Kelly easily had the best arms of UM QBs from 92-2003

I agree. You can't watch that 2000 game vs. FSU and come away believing Dorsey had a noodle arm. Wasn't as strong as some of the others you mentioned, but sometimes he gets a lot less credit around here than he deserves.

reg

Jun 5, 2018

Not to belittle the previous few podcasts, becuase I ejoyed those motherf'uckers. However, this is by far the best one in a long time...

SIBCanes

Jun 6, 2018

@DMoney & @Roman Marciante great podcast.. It is good to hear insights and real unbiased reporting.. Can you send a link to Jon Richt and CMR, listening to Roman; Malik has shown little to no growth since winter. So we will get the good and ugly at QB. Williams or Perry would be even further along next year with a year under their belt as starting QB. I could live with their rookie mistakes vs another year of Malik...

DMoney

Jun 6, 2018

MIA42178 said:
Dorsey’s arm, while not Payton Manning, was not noodle. As far as college QBs go, that noodle arm argument is a myth. You don’t get nominated for a heisman at the most important position on the team by not being much.

How many games did you see Dorsey play live?

I've been going back and reviewing games from 2001. It's interesting to watch Dorsey after all the QBs we've had since.

For one thing, he missed more throws than I remember. His accuracy was as much a problem as his arm strength at times.

But his ability to make quick decisions was second to none. The ball got out so fast and always to the right guy. His anticipation was uncanny. He had a great offensive line, but he helped them just as much as they helped him.

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ddann

Jun 6, 2018

DMoney said:
I've been going back and reviewing games from 2001. It's interesting to watch Dorsey after all the QBs we've had since.

For one thing, he missed more throws than I remember. His accuracy was as much a problem as his arm strength at times.

But his ability to make quick decisions was second to none. The ball got out so fast and always to the right guy. His anticipation was uncanny. He had a great offensive line, but he helped them just as much as they helped him.

And this is what has been missing pretty much ever since. Great leadership, anticipation, and decision-making made up for some of those limitations.

ThomasM

Jun 6, 2018

ddann said:
I wouldn't say Dorsey had a noodle arm. He did have a side-arm delivery, though, and the ball didn't always look like a pretty spiral when he threw it. But, it went where it was supposed to go.

Watching Ken Dorsey and Derrick Crudup warm up it was obvious that Crudup had the smoother, tighter throwing motion and threw a tighter spiral. Which one would you want under center as your QB? This is similar to the track speed vs. football speed discussion.

Dorsey had good timing, and accuracy. His arm was very average. The talent around him, and his ability to get the talent to the right guy at the right time, was anything but average.

Loose Cannon

Jun 6, 2018

Dorsey won a championship and was a finalist for the Heisman in 2001 with a 56% completion rate, and the three closest games of the season he threw under 50%. He was a leader, and he was intelligent.

MExtraMon9y

Jun 6, 2018

A lot of great insight

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ColoradoCane

Jun 6, 2018

Excellent listen. Nice work fellas.

MIA42178

Jun 6, 2018

Loose Cannon said:
Dorsey won a championship and was a finalist for the Heisman in 2001 with a 56% completion rate, and the three closest games of the season he threw under 50%. He was a leader, and he was intelligent.

Finalist in 2002 as well.

SIBCanes

Jun 6, 2018

DMoney said:
I've been going back and reviewing games from 2001. It's interesting to watch Dorsey after all the QBs we've had since.

For one thing, he missed more throws than I remember. His accuracy was as much a problem as his arm strength at times.

But his ability to make quick decisions was second to none. The ball got out so fast and always to the right guy. His anticipation was uncanny. He had a great offensive line, but he helped them just as much as they helped him.

Dorsey success came from Andre Johnson, Jeremy Shockey, Kelvin Winslow, Santana Moss, Reggie Wayne, Clinton Portis Willis McGhee, and Frank Gore.. And a great o-line..