I agree with D-Money's assessment on FSU's potential downfall/decay. This is what happened to us in the early 2000's. Complacency starts to creep in and a lot of **** has been going on in Tally with their players. Florida players are a different breed, and starting to take your recruiting to a national level is what Coker started doing. Stay in Florida, keep it simple to a point. Sprinkle the class with national players.
First example used for this was Shockey. I laughed a little.
He wasn't used as an example of a South Florida guy. He was an example of a lower-profile recruit who helped us beat FSU. Competing against Florida guys like Dan Morgan and Jon Vilma helped make him the competitor he became.
This staff is focused on Florida and South Florida but will pluck big-time talent from elsewhere. The ratios in this class were perfect. The school to the North is losing its way, and history says they are preparing for a fall.
If you fail to learn history (Canes recruiting post-2003/4) you are doomed to repeat it. As you touched on it, FSU's been straying away from the norm of what made them so successful.
I agree with D-Money's assessment on FSU's potential downfall/decay. This is what happened to us in the early 2000's. Complacency starts to creep in and a lot of **** has been going on in Tally with their players. Florida players are a different breed, and starting to take your recruiting to a national level is what Coker started doing. Stay in Florida, keep it simple to a point. Sprinkle the class with national players.
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Being objective here to generate conversation. You can say they are declining because they are recruiting nationally all you want. But truth of the matter is that the teams that are winning big only have a few amount of south Florida players on their team. Look at bama they have had what?cooper; Ridley,Eddie Jackson, burgess-Becker and who else? Clemson has had Trayvon Mullen, yearagin and who else from south Florida? Ohio state joey bosa, Damon armette, and who else? These are teams in their championship years. Now I'm not saying Florida in particular the south Florida region isn't the most talented in the country. It most certainly is.. but good football is played outside of the region too. People must remember that.
Just on our team along most of our top ten players were from out of state. I don't think it's fair to say a south Florida guy has more "fight" or "hunger" then let's say a corn elder or David njoku
I will say in terms of rivalry type games, oos recruits don't feel the burn as well as instate guys . . . see kaaya as example
So...Ed Reed, Reggie Wayne and DJ Williams didn't feel the burn? Michigan vs OSU kids go against their home states play with a passion...Mich DE Taco Charlton is from Col, Ohio 15 min from OSU stadium, Charles Woodson the list goes on..OSU starting RB Mike Weber is from Michigan....Zeek is from STL.....FSU Akers, Laborn, Wilson etc...are no different talent is talent! It's all about the schools you attend more than anything else....social media allows coaches to see thousands of reels much quicker these days....coaches have relationships with HS coaches everywhere....It's not the same we gotta get with the times.....we haveta get some OOS kids like the rest of those winning teams. Sure you clean up in your own back yard which shouldn't be hard with easy access....Kids visit the campus a thousand times.... either coming or not....We keep getting burned every time ....that's why you still need to look around... it's evident sfla has been invaded by the entire country....like another poster said.. winning teams are doing with OOS kids...Miami needs to go after them as well.
I agree with D-Money's assessment on FSU's potential downfall/decay. This is what happened to us in the early 2000's. Complacency starts to creep in and a lot of **** has been going on in Tally with their players. Florida players are a different breed, and starting to take your recruiting to a national level is what Coker started doing. Stay in Florida, keep it simple to a point. Sprinkle the class with national players.
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DMoney joins the podcast to give his thoughts on Miami's 2017 recruiting class.
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Being objective here to generate conversation. You can say they are declining because they are recruiting nationally all you want. But truth of the matter is that the teams that are winning big only have a few amount of south Florida players on their team. Look at bama they have had what?cooper; Ridley,Eddie Jackson, burgess-Becker and who else? Clemson has had Trayvon Mullen, yearagin and who else from south Florida? Ohio state joey bosa, Damon armette, and who else? These are teams in their championship years. Now I'm not saying Florida in particular the south Florida region isn't the most talented in the country. It most certainly is.. but good football is played outside of the region too. People must remember that.
Just on our team along most of our top ten players were from out of state. I don't think it's fair to say a south Florida guy has more "fight" or "hunger" then let's say a corn elder or David njoku
I will say in terms of rivalry type games, oos recruits don't feel the burn as well as instate guys . . . see kaaya as example
So...Ed Reed, Reggie Wayne and DJ Williams didn't feel the burn? Michigan vs OSU kids go against their home states play with a passion...Mich DE Taco Charlton is from Col, Ohio 15 min from OSU stadium, Charles Woodson the list goes on..OSU starting RB Mike Weber is from Michigan....Zeek is from STL.....FSU Akers, Laborn, Wilson etc...are no different talent is talent! It's all about the schools you attend more than anything else....social media allows coaches to see thousands of reels much quicker these days....coaches have relationships with HS coaches everywhere....It's not the same we gotta get with the times.....we haveta get some OOS kids like the rest of those winning teams. Sure you clean up in your own back yard which shouldn't be hard with easy access....Kids visit the campus a thousand times.... either coming or not....We keep getting burned every time ....that's why you still need to look around... it's evident sfla has been invaded by the entire country....like another poster said.. winning teams are doing with OOS kids...Miami needs to go after them as well.
difference is they cleaning up in their own states.
Respectfully, we are not cleaning up in our own state. Not even in the tri-county. Again, I like this class. It's enough to win the Coastal. But how is it an FSU-killer?
As I noted above, we missed on Jeudy, Grimes, Slaton, Cowan, Wilson, D Wright, ***an, Samuels, Davis, Henderson, Edwards. Plus the IMG kids. We also passed on Felix, Gamble, Miller and a host of others than coaches weren't as high on for whatever reason. I love Steed but personally preferred a couple other LBs over Jennings and Wilder (athletic freak, bring him in as an ATH pass rushing specialist, but not a true LB).
Now, 2018, everyone is saying LL, Cook, Surtain, Williams, even Jobe who is verballed to us, are all going to be hard pulls, if not impossible. And that's before we get really started. That is not a wall, it's a sieve. I'm not saying we get them all. But how can we be confident we beat FSU missing on so many local recruits? And what is different about this class versus a Golden class at the top? IMHO, from a recruiting stance, the main difference is that the bottom half is (much) stronger ... and of course better development and game management. Which wins ACC Coastal, but does not put us ahead of FSU nor land us in the BCS playoffs.
Was there any discussion on UM's class?
Respectfully, we are not cleaning up in our own state. Not even in the tri-county. Again, I like this class. It's enough to win the Coastal. But how is it an FSU-killer?
As I noted above, we missed on Jeudy, Grimes, Slaton, Cowan, Wilson, D Wright, ***an, Samuels, Davis, Henderson, Edwards. Plus the IMG kids. We also passed on Felix, Gamble, Miller and a host of others than coaches weren't as high on for whatever reason. I love Steed but personally preferred a couple other LBs over Jennings and Wilder (athletic freak, bring him in as an ATH pass rushing specialist, but not a true LB).
Now, 2018, everyone is saying LL, Cook, Surtain, Williams, even Jobe who is verballed to us, are all going to be hard pulls, if not impossible. And that's before we get really started. That is not a wall, it's a sieve. I'm not saying we get them all. But how can we be confident we beat FSU missing on so many local recruits? And what is different about this class versus a Golden class at the top? IMHO, from a recruiting stance, the main difference is that the bottom half is (much) stronger ... and of course better development and game management. Which wins ACC Coastal, but does not put us ahead of FSU nor land us in the BCS playoffs.
Says whoApparently Miami tried to make a strong run at latavious brini once it appeared on Tuesday that Henderson was likely going to go to the gators. He ultimately signed with uga though I guess due to the constant communication with them over the last 2 months and he was committed there before
Says whoApparently Miami tried to make a strong run at latavious brini once it appeared on Tuesday that Henderson was likely going to go to the gators. He ultimately signed with uga though I guess due to the constant communication with them over the last 2 months and he was committed there before
LOL. They're putting out misinformation to make Brini not look like a reach. You're publishing that misinformation here because you are a Brini honk.Says whoApparently Miami tried to make a strong run at latavious brini once it appeared on Tuesday that Henderson was likely going to go to the gators. He ultimately signed with uga though I guess due to the constant communication with them over the last 2 months and he was committed there before
Uga insiders from 247
LOL. They're putting out misinformation to make Brini not look like a reach. You're publishing that misinformation here because you are a Brini honk.Says whoApparently Miami tried to make a strong run at latavious brini once it appeared on Tuesday that Henderson was likely going to go to the gators. He ultimately signed with uga though I guess due to the constant communication with them over the last 2 months and he was committed there before
Uga insiders from 247
LOL. They're putting out misinformation to make Brini not look like a reach. You're publishing that misinformation here because you are a Brini honk.Says whoApparently Miami tried to make a strong run at latavious brini once it appeared on Tuesday that Henderson was likely going to go to the gators. He ultimately signed with uga though I guess due to the constant communication with them over the last 2 months and he was committed there before
Uga insiders from 247
I said clear as day "apparently"
I agree with D-Money's assessment on FSU's potential downfall/decay. This is what happened to us in the early 2000's. Complacency starts to creep in and a lot of **** has been going on in Tally with their players. Florida players are a different breed, and starting to take your recruiting to a national level is what Coker started doing. Stay in Florida, keep it simple to a point. Sprinkle the class with national players.