How many games does an all South Florida team win? (revisited)

Feb 16, 2023

When I did this thread the first time, most people said an All-South Florida team would win 8-9 games. Now that we've had a season, I think this is a legitimate playoff team and national title contender.

DISCLAIMER: I believe we should continue to recruit nationally, in a major way. We have a national budget now and a national recruiter. We aren't taking scraps anymore. This thread is for discussion purposes only since we have so many posters who follow local football.

QB- This position looks a lot stronger than it did before the season. Like it or not, Jordan Travis (FSU/Benjamin) is one of the best QBs in the nation. Michael Pratt (Tulane/Deerfield Beach) isn't far behind. Todd Centeio (James Madison/Dwyer) is an overqualified #3 as the Sun Belt Offensive Player of the Year.

RB- Other years produced more elite crops, but this is still a strong, versatile group. Kenny McIntosh (Georgia/U-School) is a draft pick and the lead back for the national champions. CJ Donaldson (West Virginia/Gulliver) is one of the best young backs in the country. Frank Gore, Jr. (Southern Miss/Killian) put up 1,601 scrimmage yards at 6.5 yards a pop. Henry Parrish (Miami/Columbus) is All-ACC Third Team and an ideal backup,

WR- Loaded as usual. Zay Flowers (Boston College/U-School) is two-time, first-team All-ACC, as is AT Perry (Wake Forest/Park Vista). Both are on the way to the NFL. Jacorey Brooks (Alabama/Booker T) is the best WR on the Crimson Tide.

TE- Best group I can remember. Oronde Gadsden II (Syracuse/American Heritage) was named first-team All-ACC after switching to a hybrid role and putting up close to 1K yards. Mason Taylor (LSU/St. Thomas) had 414 yards as a true freshman and looks like a future star. Daniel Barker (Michigan State/Deerfield Beach) participated in the Shrine Bowl and will get an NFL opportunity.

OL- A much bigger group than usual for this local crop. Tyler Steen (Alabama/St. Thomas) was All-SEC second team at LT and will likely play in the NFL. Gerald Mincey (Tennessee/Cardinal Gibbons) started at LT for the Volunteers and will be a fixture of their offense going forward. Marcus Tate (Clemson/U-School) is entering his true junior year as a two-year starter. Kadeem Telfort (UAB/Booker T) was first-team All-Conference USA and is a draft prospect. Renato Brown (Louisville/Palm Beach Central) and DJ Scaife (Miami/Southridge) were honorable mention All-ACC as tackles, but move inside for purposes of this big offensive line.

DL- Studs across the board. Calijah Kancey (Pitt/Northwestern) is a first-team All-American. Mike Morris (Michigan/AMH Delray) is first-team All-Big 10. Brandan Dorlus was first-team All-Pac 12 in '21. Nesta Silvera (Arizona State/AMH) participated in the Senior Bowl. Leonard Taylor (Miami/Southridge) is a dynamic part of the rotation.

LB/EDGE- Another standout group, especially outside. Dallas Turner (Alabama/St. Thomas) is one of the best returning defenders in the nation. Yasir Abdullah (Louisville/Carol City) is first-team All-ACC after a career with 23.5 sacks and 43 TFLs. Mikel Jones (Syracuse/IMG) was a semifinalist for the Butkus Award. Jalen Mackie (Umass/St. Thomas) was one of the best players in the FCS before transferring to UMass and putting up 100 tackles, 15 TFLs and 3.5 sacks.

SAFETY- Elite pair of starters. We can start with a familiar name in Kam Kinchens (Miami/Northwestern), who is a first-team All-American. Jordan Battle (Alabama/St. Thomas) is a two-time, first-team All-SEC player. With the safety position covered, we're moving James Williams (Miami/AMH) to his natural spot as a rover.

CB- Not the usual great crop but still strong by P5 standards. Tyrique Stevenson (Miami/Southridge) is a draft pick on one side. Tiawun Mullen (Indiana/Coconut Creek) was a '20 first-team All-American who just finished out a great Indiana career. Keidron Smith (Kentucky/Oxbridge) is an All-SEC Second Team player with NFL Aspirations. Devonte Brown (Miami/AMH) and Jason Marshall (Florida/Palmetto) provide depth.

How many games does this team win?

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JohnnyYoung

Feb 16, 2023

DMoney said:
This is a strange definition of playoff worthy. McIntosh actually was the starting RB on the champs, and put up 175 total yards in the playoffs (9.2 yards per touch). How is he not "playoff worthy?" Your statement that the RB/WR combo "isn't better than any of the teams in the top 8 this past year" is indefensible. An NFL RB and four NFL WRs isn't better than any of the Top 8 teams?

And do you really think JJ McCarthy is better than Jordan Travis? Why?

As for the OL being the "downfall" of the team, Tennessee and Alabama were two of the three top scoring offenses in the nation. This team has both of their Left Tackles. Kadeem Telfort is an NFL Draft prospect and All-Conference first-team guy. Marcus Tate is a blue-chipper who has started since his true freshman year at Clemson. The weak spots are two guys who were invited to post-season All-Star games. The line averages 6'5, 322 lbs.

As for the rest, here are a few examples: you dismiss a first-team All-American and a two-time first-team All-ACC player as not good enough. You say that Nesta is not playoff worthy as the 4th DT, even as he got invited to the Senior Bowl Bowl and the combine. What do you think playoff rosters look like?

We can revisit after the draft, but I suspect at 10-12 of these guys get drafted with more to come.

What’s your scoop on draft buzz for Davis? I liked him out of high school and was disappointed he got lost in the mix at Oregon to a point of position change. Was happy that he transferred and found a place to play consistently but didn’t think that would precipitate into a draft pick look.

gogeta4

Feb 16, 2023

Cryptical Envelopment said:
Yeah, I mean, a chance. And Flowers has a chance. If I had to put money I'd bet they both go 25-50. Just saying, team is lacking some high-end star power, and I don't love the OL. Turner is the best player on the team, IMO.

But **** it, team SFL... let's roll.

This i agree a bit...BUTTTTTT.... thats because the good players on the team are playing at schools like Wake, Syracuse, and BC and most of yall have never watched them.

UGA doesnt have a single wr on their roster better than Perry or Flowers for example.

Turner is a beastly young talent. I think the OL is pretty solid honestly. I mean most ppl LOOOVE SEC, SEC,SEC, there is a ton of SEC starting bookend minutes on that team.

The Battle..Jo Jo Kinchens duo at safety is pretty good...corner depends on the scheme with them.

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BoxingRobes

Feb 16, 2023

lmfao @ gogeta abandoning all civility toward Relly. This man is furious at the disrespect. If Relly responds, gogeta gonna tell this man to meet him at Titanic tomorrow as the replacement fight for CiO-gordonsolie as neither made weight.

gogeta4

Feb 16, 2023

Rellyrell said:
I’m confused by this thread & since I’m being called out, lemme set the record str8 for the umpteenth time: The problem w/ So Fla natives is ya’ll r putridly biased w very little objectivity. It doesn’t matter is Gorman, Bosco, De La Salle, Mater Dei run through ur teams, nor does it matter that other states have produced a high amount of blue chip players; it’s a So Fla 3* is another states’ blue chip & that’s disingenuous & disrespectful af. We acting like Aaron Rodgers wasn’t a 3-star, or Josh Allen, Justin Jefferson, Tom Brady, TJ Watt, Cooper Kupp, etc etc etc.

I’ve never trashed So Fla players, like ever. If anything, I’ve been the biggest advocate of getting the best players from the back yard & poach nationally. But to act like FB lives & dies in So Fla is foolish af.

And why r u acting like we haven’t had a team full of So Fla players? lol. The greater majority of our team & starters have been from So Fla for quite some time. From 5*’s, 4*’s, 3*’s to UR. I would argue out of all the teams that’s won Nat’l Titles, our So Fla roster compared to theirs is on a 5:1 ratio on avg. & it’s led to nothing.

So have those southern california heavy teams out west.

Im on ya head boy lol..Post ya team @Rellyrell. If me and @DMoney Squads look better you owe me a sz 13 in something brother.

Im talking greater LA, Los Angeles, Orange Counties......i dont want to see no San Diego's, Bakersfield and all them other counties.

gogeta4

Feb 16, 2023

BoxingRobes said:
lmfao @ gogeta abandoning all civility toward Relly. This man is furious at the disrespect. If Relly responds, gogeta gonna tell this man to meet him at Titanic tomorrow as the replacement fight for CiO-gordonsolie as neither made weight.

Im on his asz...lol
Im bringing the ghost of Howard Schnellenberger for his panzy *** Pete Carroll led squads.

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Nick_conlan

Feb 16, 2023

gogeta4 said:
They double down on them being wrong when we did this BEFORE the szn.

Mcintosh WAS the starting rb for the champs..,..matter of fact a s.fla back was UGAS best rb the last 2 **** years...but...not playoff worthy lol

I dont like Jordan Travis that much...but he is a legit gamer...and Michael Pratt is LEGIT as well.

Im not even gonna go to the OL since most of these posters dont understand the position anyway. Clemson is a perennial playoff team with undraftable OL. When the weak links on your ol are 3 year starters and guys slotted to the interior ...your line is good.

The thing is...we have posters from other areas of the country on here....post Yall local (local meaning the neighboring 2/3 counties) teams for reference. Im calling yall out.

Houston- @JustAFanHTX @htownkidd
Dallas- @TheSwagger1
LA- @Rellyrell
South Carolina- @Nick_conlan @SouthCak Cane
Nebraska_ @CANEMC
Atlanta- @AtlAtty @Andrew

I think i could do upstate sc if i also get rock hill/charlotte. Otherwise it would be pretty hard. Not touching sfl

gogeta4

Feb 16, 2023

Nick_conlan said:
I think i could do upstate sc if i also get rock hill/charlotte. Otherwise it would be pretty hard. Not touching sfl

Go with the upstate sc squad....Rock Hill to Anderson you cant go in NC.

Rellyrell

Feb 16, 2023

gogeta4 said:
So have those southern california heavy teams out west.

Im on ya head boy lol..Post ya team @Rellyrell. If me and @DMoney Squads look better you owe me a sz 13 in something brother.

Im talking greater LA, Los Angeles, Orange Counties......i dont want to see no San Diego's, Bakersfield and all them other counties.

Wait! Lol; why can’t I pull in the SD??! SD is only 2 hrs away! Ya’ll be claiming Orlando on down!! Lmao!!

Rellyrell

Feb 16, 2023

gogeta4 said:
I aint with the hootin n hollering brah post your LA team. lol

I dont care bout Gorman, Bosco, De lasalle none a that sh*t...they all done got the beats too...so nice list.

This aint about what we (um) got or recruited....this is a simple thread based off of last year...DMONEY posted it before the szn and now he respawned it.

Post your All LA squad or get off the pot blood. I'm expecting the LA team should be loaded since theirs million more ppl.

IM S.FLA BIAS......but ive ALWAYS been the 1 pointing to the "right" s.fla kids to recruit....and would always post what cities nationally we should be recruiting EVERY CYCLE.

*Newsflash* It didnt matter if we had a team full of Alaska players the jack azzes that been coaching us for years have been terrible at developing no matter where the kids were coming from.

So are we doing all time or for a particular class? Lemme know.

Rellyrell

Feb 16, 2023

BoxingRobes said:
lmfao @ gogeta abandoning all civility toward Relly. This man is furious at the disrespect. If Relly responds, gogeta gonna tell this man to meet him at Titanic tomorrow as the replacement fight for CiO-gordonsolie as neither made weight.

@gogeta4

KingB02

Feb 16, 2023

ssvir said:
QB: Jordan Travis was good not great. Don't think he was better than any QB in the top 8 teams. Playoff worthy is a stretch.
RB: Same for McIntosh and Gore/Parrish aren't playoff caliber backs.
WR: Flowers good and the rest meh. Perry is a good, not great, system WR. Brooks was nothing special.
OL: Not playoff caliber at all and would be the downfall of this "team"
DL: Good production from top two guys but Silvera, Dorlus, LT aren't playoff caliber in any way
OLB: Good enough
S: Battle is excellent and Kam got the INTs (why he got AA). Chance to be great but wasn't this year. Way too many busts.
CB: Nothing close to elite

C’mon man!!! You don’t need 65 NFL players to win it all lol. Even the chiefs ain’t got as much talent as you are requesting. Not everyone needs to be elite, just fit the scheme

Feb 16, 2023

JustAFanHTX said:
TINNNNNNNNNNNNNY let’s man block them to the other end zone

Sounds good lol

ssvir

Feb 16, 2023

DMoney said:
I'm stating facts. You're stating conclusions, with no support.

You said it was a stretch to claim McIntosh was playoff caliber. I pointed out the obvious- he started, for the champs, and put up numbers in the playoffs. Now you've shifted the goalposts to say McIntosh isn't elite. OK. I agree. Who were the elite RBs in the playoffs?

Another example of a conclusion with no support: you say "this DT group wouldn't even be in the top 5 of the SEC defensive line groups." Can you list those DL groups to compare?

Show me five DL groups that have this type of talent:

- A first-team All-American
- A first-team All-Big 10 player
- A first-team All-Pac 12 player
- A Senior Bowl and combine invitee

And that doesn't even include the EDGE players.

Leonard Taylor, a Top 5 player in his class who has 19 TFLs and 5 sacks in his first two years, doesn't even sniff the Top 4. Do you really think there are five DL rotations in the SEC where he's not in the Top Four DTs? Where are they?

I'm traveling so don't have time for this but you're employing more attorney tactics.

I gave you the hard stats about McIntosh. 74th in YPG and 41st in YPC. I guess by your definition then Miyan Williams is a playoff caliber RB too?

As for DLines in the SEC the Bama, Georgia, LSU, Texas A&M, and probably Auburn or Kentucky lines are at least as good as this group you pointed out.

Leonard Taylor is a 5* talent that hasn't done much yet ... are you pretending that the SEC teams/OSU/MICH/Clemson don't have two or three 5* guys that haven't played a bunch yet on every top team?

The whole exercise is flawed anyway since you're cherry picking the most productive players out of literally hundreds of players from FL. In fact, one could say that's a pretty awful list considering the shear number of D1 players from FL that there aren't many elite players on that list.

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gogeta4

Feb 16, 2023

Rellyrell said:
So are we doing all time or for a particular class? Lemme know.

Naw we will do all time later in the off szn ...this keep the boards going.

This team is based off of guys for this szn from the areas like how DMONEY did it so its based off of the 2022szn.

gogeta4

Feb 16, 2023

Rellyrell said:
@gogeta4

See you already tryna sneak in to San Diahhgo with Ron Burgundy.....naw brother. If they dont say "on the dead homies" they cant be on ya team.
LA COUNTY TO ORANGE COUNTY...I aint even givin ya INLAND EMPIRE.lol

Cause we strictly Dade,Broward,Palm on our list...Our population under 7mill combined.

Rellyrell

Feb 16, 2023

gogeta4 said:
See you already tryna sneak in to San Diahhgo with Ron Burgundy.....naw brother. If they dont say "on the dead homies" they cant be on ya team.
LA COUNTY TO ORANGE COUNTY...I aint even givin ya INLAND EMPIRE.lol

Cause we strictly Dade,Broward,Palm on our list...Our population under 7mill combined.

OK bet; gimme a sec. U saw The Ron Burgundy tip, though! Lol.

gogeta4

Feb 16, 2023

ssvir said:
I'm traveling so don't have time for this but you're doing more bull**** attorney tactics.

I gave you the "facts" about McIntosh. 74th in YPG and 41st in YPC. I guess by your version of "facts" then Miyan Williams is a playoff caliber RB too?

As for DLines in the SEC the Bama, Georgia, LSU, Texas A&M, and probably Auburn or Kentucky lines are at least as good as this group you pointed out.

Leonard Taylor is a 5* talent that hasn't done much yet ... are you pretending that the SEC teams don't have two or three 5* guys that haven't played a bunch yet on every top team?

This Leonard Taylor??.

Miami defensive tackle Leonard Taylor was named by Max Chadwick of Pro Football Focus as one of the “Top 10 returning interior defensive linemen in college football for the 2023 season.” Taylor had 24 tackles, 10.5 tackles for loss, three sacks and an interception playing on a Miami defensive line that frequently rotated.

Taylor improved upon his numbers as a true freshman in 2021 when he had 21 tackles, 8.5 TFLs and two sacks.

You watch the canes on saturday?. He aint been completely beasting...but the hasnt done much thing is out the window with Taylor.

The Shemar Stewart's and Marvin Jones Jr's arent even on this team. lol Those are the 5 stars you speaking of fromt he SEC...ill let you guess where they are from.

gogeta4

Feb 16, 2023

Rellyrell said:
OK bet; gimme a sec. U saw The Ron Burgundy tip, though! Lol.

lol You got time....these threads always fun to me.

Shows the talent level in other areas guys you dont even realize.

gogeta4

Feb 17, 2023

@DMoney

Guys like this arent even on your team. Solid depth.

Jamare Edwards - Football - James Madison University Athletics

Jamare Edwards (5) Defensive Lineman - 2022: Played in all 11 games with 10 starts at defensive tackle Second Team All-Sun Belt Conference defensive lineman VaSID Second Team

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EDGE- https://astateredwolves.com/sports/football/roster/kivon-bennett/5530

2023 NFL Draft Player Profiles: Kentucky EDGE Jordan Wright - Steelers Depot

From now until the 2023 NFL Draft takes place, we hope to scout and create profiles for as many prospects as possible, examining their strengths, weaknesses, and what they can bring to an NFL franchise. These players could be potential top 10 picks, all the way down to Day 3 selections and...

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Safety depth- https://georgiastatesports.com/sports/football/roster/antavious-lane/6189
We will play against Lane next year he transferred up to UNC.

LB- https://gousfbulls.com/sports/football/roster/dwayne-boyles/13392
You went Jalen Mackie..i kinda like Boyles.

Memnon

Feb 17, 2023

Texas:

QB1- Clayton Tune; 4,074yds 40TD’s 10INT’s at 67%cmp with 546yds & 5TD’s rushing
QB2 - Frank Harris; 4,059yds 32TD’s 9INT’s at 69%cmp with 600yds & 9TD’s rushing
QB3 - Seth Henigan; 3,571yds 22TD’s 8INT’s at 64%cmp with 289yds & 4TD’s rushing
QB4 - Tanner Mordecai; 3,524yds 33TD’s 10INT’s at 65%cmp
QB5 - Cameron Ward; 3,231yds 23TD’s 9INT’s at 64%cmp
QB6 - Austin Aune; 3,547yds 33TD’s 15INT’s at 56%cmp

RB1 - Deuce Vaughn; 1,558yds & 9TD’s at. 5.3ypc with 42rec 378yds & 3TD’s receiving
RB2 - Kendre Miller; 1,399yds & 17TD’s at 6.2ypc
RB3 - Calvin Tyler Jr; 1,122yds & 7TD’s at 4.4ypc
RB4 - Devon Achane; 1,102yds & 8TD’s at 5.6ypc

WR1 - Rashee Rice; 96rec 1,355yds & 10TD’s
WR2 - Zakhari Franklin; 93rec 1,137yds & 15TD’s
WR3 - Joshua Cephus; 87rec 985yds & 6TD’s
WR4 - Keylon Stokes; 76rec 1,224yds & 8TD’s
WR5 - Ryan O’Keefe; 73rec 725yds & 5TD’s
WR6 - Tyrin Smith; 71rec 1,039yds & 7TD’s
WR7 - Tyler Hudson; 69rec 1,034yds & 2TD’s

TE1 - Ja’Tavion Sanders; 54rec 613yds & 5TD’s
TE2 - Brayden Willis; 39rec 514yds & 7TD’s
TE3 - Jalin Conyers; 38rec 422yds & 5TD’s
TE4 - Var’Keyes Gumms; 34rec 458yds & 5TD’s

LT - Kelvin Banks Jr/ Patrick Paul
LG - McKade Mettauer/ Cole Birmingham
C - Steve Avila/ Manase Mose
RG - Febechi Nwaiwu/ Justin Osborne
RT - Connor Gavin/ Ty’Kieast Crawford

DE - Drew Sander; 103tcks 9.5 sacks/ Masin Richards; 78tcks 7.5 sacks
DT - Tyree Wilson; 61tcks 7 sacks/ Derek Parish; 19tcks 5 sacks
DT - Dennis Osagiede; 38tcks 6 sacks/ Tony Bradford Jr; 32tcks 5.5 sacks
EDGE - Jadrian Taylor; 42tcks 9.5 sack/ Trey Moore; 56tcks 8 sacks/ Oluwaseyi Omotosho; 46tcks 6.5 sacks

WLB - Jaylan Ford; 119tcks/ Justin Wright; 101tcks
MLB - KD Davis; 137tcks/ Bumper Pool; 92tcks
SLB - Larry Nixon III; 104tcks/ Demarvion Overshown; 95tcks

FCB - Christian Gonzalez; 51tcks 4INT’s & 7PD’s/ Tobias Harris; 44tcks 1INT & 11PD’s/ Alex Hogan; 20tcks 10PD’s/ Chris Mills; 42tcks 8PD’s/ Jabbar Muhammad; 48tcks 1INT & 9PD’s

NCB - Trevius Hodges-Tomlinson; 50tcks 3INT’s & 10PD’s/ Ridge Texada; 43tcks 3INT’s & 15PD’s/ Upton Stout; 44tcks 4INT’s & 2PD’s/ Isaiah Essissima; 35tcks 2INT’s & 9PD’s

BCB - Ennis Rakestraw; 35tcks 1INT & 12PD’s/ Dwight McGlothern; 52tcks 4INT’s & 10PD’s/ Kordell Rodgers; 24tcks 4INT’s & 1PD/ Myles Brooks; 29tcks 3INT’s & 8PD’s

FS - Erick Halley II; 52tcks 3INT’s & 9PD’s/ Hudson Clark; 67tcks 1INT & 11PD’s/ Jalen Green; 50tcks 2INT’s & 7PD’s
SS - Millard Bradford; 58tcks 1INT & 8PD’s/ Tra Fluellen; 104tcks 2INT’s & 8PD’s D’Shawn Jamison; 22tcks 2INT’s & 7PD’s

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