Zombie-Cane said:

You do realize that not everyone on any of the playoff teams is an all-star or "playoff worthy", right?!?! Football is a team sport. In fact, to show how much your argument falls short, Michigan has 3 guys on the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team all american squad, osu has 5, TCU has 2, Georgia has 3. The team listed above by @DMoney has 3. I struggle to see why you would think 12 wins is laughable as well as all of your other nonsensical arguments on this post.

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ssvir said:

QB: Jordan Travis was good not great. Don't think he was better than any QB in the top 8 teams. Playoff worthy is a stretch.
RB: Same for McIntosh and Gore/Parrish aren't playoff caliber backs.
WR: Flowers good and the rest meh. Perry is a good, not great, system WR. Brooks was nothing special.
OL: Not playoff caliber at all and would be the downfall of this "team"
DL: Good production from top two guys but Silvera, Dorlus, LT aren't playoff caliber in any way
OLB: Good enough
S: Battle is excellent and Kam got the INTs (why he got AA). Chance to be great but wasn't this year. Way too many busts.
CB: Nothing close to elite

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DMoney said:

This is a strange definition of playoff worthy. McIntosh actually was the starting RB on the champs, and put up 175 total yards in the playoffs (9.2 yards per touch). How is he not "playoff worthy?" Your statement that the RB/WR combo "isn't better than any of the teams in the top 8 this past year" is impossible to defend.

And do you really think JJ McCarthy is better than Jordan Travis? Why?

As for the OL being the "downfall" of the team, Tennessee and Alabama were two of the three top scoring offenses in the nation. This team has both of their Left Tackles. Kadeem Telfort is an NFL Draft prospect and All-Conference first-team guy. Marcus Tate is a blue-chipper who has started since his true freshman year at guy. The weak spots are two guys who were invited to post-season All-Star games.

The rest is just as silly, but a few examples: you dismiss a first-team All-American and a two-time first-team All-ACC player as not good enough. You say that Nesta is not playoff worthy as the 4th DT, even as he got invited to the Senior Bowl Bowl and the combine.

What do you think playoff rosters look like? We can revisit after the draft, but I suspect at 10-12 of these guys get drafted with more to come.

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Mklein13 said:

Miami had 7 guys drafted coming off a 6-7 season with 2 being in the first round. Just saying.....this team would not win more than 4 games.

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skyman said:

Is your team being coached by Mario or something? This team would ball out..

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Mklein13 said:

No they wouldn’t

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skyman said:

As a DC you have to account for things, You have the QB legs, McCintosh, Perry height, Flowers one on one, TE like Gadsen eating against LB and he is basically a jumbo WR, and an dominant oline.. How are you stopping this team unless they are doing Mario practice injury routine, a competent coach would smack most teams.. A DC cant take away EVERYTHING.. I will just chop this up as most CIS dont watch college ball so they dont get it..

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DMoney said:

This is a strange definition of playoff worthy. McIntosh actually was the starting RB on the champs, and put up 175 total yards in the playoffs (9.2 yards per touch). How is he not "playoff worthy?" Your statement that the RB/WR combo "isn't better than any of the teams in the top 8 this past year" is indefensible. An NFL RB and four NFL WRs isn't better than any of the Top 8 teams?

And do you really think JJ McCarthy is better than Jordan Travis? Why?

As for the OL being the "downfall" of the team, Tennessee and Alabama were two of the three top scoring offenses in the nation. This team has both of their Left Tackles. Kadeem Telfort is an NFL Draft prospect and All-Conference first-team guy. Marcus Tate is a blue-chipper who has started since his true freshman year at Clemson. The weak spots are two guys who were invited to post-season All-Star games. The line averages 6'5, 322 lbs.

As for the rest, here are a few examples: you dismiss a first-team All-American and a two-time first-team All-ACC player as not good enough. You say that Nesta is not playoff worthy as the 4th DT, even as he got invited to the Senior Bowl Bowl and the combine. What do you think playoff rosters look like?

We can revisit after the draft, but I suspect at 10-12 of these guys get drafted with more to come.

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Ziggy said:

They probably win the coastal, win the ACC championship, and lose in the CFP. So 12-13 wins? But that would assume we have good coaching .

The thing that hurts the most with these lists is the names that CanesInsight members brought up and we're begging the staff to grab: McIntosh, Gore Jr., Zay Flowers, Brooks, Mincey, Telfort, Kancey, Turner, Abdullah, Battle, Mullen, etc. I know we won't get them all and certain years you just don't have the positional need but we need to do better at identifying the 3/4 star underrated guy who might not have all the measurables but is a much better football player than most.

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DMoney said:

When I did this thread the first time, most people said an All-South Florida team would win 8-9 games. Now that we've had a season, I think this is a legitimate playoff team and national title contender.

DISCLAIMER: I believe we should continue to recruit nationally, in a major way. We have a national budget now and a national recruiter. We aren't taking scraps anymore. This thread is for discussion purposes only since we have so many posters who follow local football.

QB- This position looks a lot stronger than it did before the season. Like it or not, Jordan Travis (FSU/Benjamin) is one of the best QBs in the nation. Michael Pratt (Tulane/Deerfield Beach) isn't far behind. Todd Centeio (James Madison/Dwyer) is an overqualified #3 as the Sun Belt Offensive Player of the Year.

RB- Other years produced more elite crops, but this is still a strong, versatile group. Kenny McIntosh (Georgia/U-School) is a second-day NFL draft pick and the lead back for the national champions. Frank Gore, Jr. (Southern Miss/Killian) put up 1,601 scrimmage yards at 6.5 yards a pop. Henry Parrish (Miami/Columbus) is All-ACC Third Team and an ideal #3.

WR- Loaded as usual. Zay Flowers (Boston College/U-School) is two-time, first-team All-ACC, as is AT Perry (Wake Forest/Park Vista). Both are on the way to the NFL. Jacorey Brooks (Alabama/Booker T) is the best WR on the Crimson Tide. Daewood Davis (Western Kentucky /Deerfield Beach) will be drafted this year.

TE- Best group I can remember. Oronde Gadsden II (Syracuse/American Heritage) was named first-team All-ACC after switching to a hybrid role and putting up close to 1K yards. Mason Taylor (LSU/St. Thomas) had 414 yards as a true freshman and looks like a future star. Daniel Barker (Michigan State/Deerfield Beach) participated in the Shrine Bowl and will get an NFL opportunity.

OL- A much bigger group than usual for this local crop. Tyler Steen (Alabama/St. Thomas) was All-SEC second team at LT and will likely play in the NFL. Gerald Mincey (Tennessee/Cardinal Gibbons) started at LT for the Volunteers and will be a fixture of their offense going forward. Marcus Tate (Clemson/U-School) is entering his true junior year as a two-year starter. Kadeem Telfort (UAB/Booker T) was first-team All-Conference USA and is a draft prospect. Renato Brown (Louisville/Palm Beach Central) and DJ Scaife (Miami/Southridge) were honorable mention All-ACC as tackles, but move inside for purposes of this big offensive line.

DL- Studs across the board. Calijah Kancey (Pitt/Northwestern) is a first-team All-American. Mike Morris (Michigan/AMH Delray) is first-team All-Big 10. Brandan Dorlus was first-team All-Pac 12 in '21. Nesta Silvera (Arizona State/AMH) participated in the Senior Bowl. Leonard Taylor (Miami/Southridge) is a dynamic part of the rotation.

LB/EDGE- Another standout group, especially outside. Dallas Turner (Alabama/St. Thomas) is one of the best returning defenders in the nation. Yasir Abdullah (Louisville/Carol City) is first-team All-ACC after a career with 23.5 sacks and 43 TFLs. Mikel Jones (Syracuse/IMG) was a semifinalist for the Butkus Award. Jalen Mackie (Umass/St. Thomas) was one of the best players in the FCS before transferring to UMass and putting up 100 tackles, 15 TFLs and 3.5 sacks.

SAFETY- Elite pair of starters. We can start with a familiar name in Kam Kinchens (Miami/Northwestern), who is a first-team All-American. Jordan Battle (Alabama/St. Thomas) is a two-time, first-team All-SEC player. With the safety position covered, we're moving James Williams (Miami/AMH) to his natural spot as a rover.

CB- Not the usual great crop but still strong by P5 standards. Tyrique Stevenson (Miami/Southridge) is a potential first round pick on one side. Tiawun Mullen (Indiana/Coconut Creek) was a '20 first-team All-American who just finished out a great Indiana career. Keidron Smith (Kentucky/Oxbridge) is an All-SEC Second Team player with NFL Aspirations. Devonte Brown (Miami/AMH) and Jason Marshall (Florida/Palmetto) provide depth.

How many games does this team win?

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Cryptical Envelopment said:

Interesting, a lot of talent but I don't see a single sure-fire 2023 first round draft pick on that squad.

My best bet would be Zay Flowers who I would put at 60/40. I do think Dallas Turner would go top 20 if he could come out in 2023 instead of 2024. Will probably go really high in 2024 if he's healthy. Calijah Kancey seems like a day two guy to me.

Who am I missing, D$?

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DMoney said:

Tyrique has a chance. Him and Flowers are the best bets.

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DMoney said:

This is a strange definition of playoff worthy. McIntosh actually was the starting RB on the champs, and put up 175 total yards in the playoffs (9.2 yards per touch). How is he not "playoff worthy?" Your statement that the RB/WR combo "isn't better than any of the teams in the top 8 this past year" is indefensible. An NFL RB and four NFL WRs isn't better than any of the Top 8 teams?

And do you really think JJ McCarthy is better than Jordan Travis? Why?

As for the OL being the "downfall" of the team, Tennessee and Alabama were two of the three top scoring offenses in the nation. This team has both of their Left Tackles. Kadeem Telfort is an NFL Draft prospect and All-Conference first-team guy. Marcus Tate is a blue-chipper who has started since his true freshman year at Clemson. The weak spots are two guys who were invited to post-season All-Star games. The line averages 6'5, 322 lbs.

As for the rest, here are a few examples: you dismiss a first-team All-American and a two-time first-team All-ACC player as not good enough. You say that Nesta is not playoff worthy as the 4th DT, even as he got invited to the Senior Bowl Bowl and the combine. What do you think playoff rosters look like?

We can revisit after the draft, but I suspect at 10-12 of these guys get drafted with more to come.

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ssvir said:

You're doing attorney things with this post .... contorting the stats/facts/opinions to fit your narrative.

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DMoney said:

I'm stating facts. You're stating conclusions, with no support.

You said it was a stretch to claim McIntosh was playoff caliber. I pointed out the obvious- he started, for the champs, and put up numbers in the playoffs. Now you've shifted the goalposts to say McIntosh isn't elite. OK. I agree. Who were the elite RBs in the playoffs?

Another example of a conclusion with no support: you say "this DT group wouldn't even be in the top 5 of the SEC defensive line groups." Can you list those DL groups to compare?

Show me five DL groups that have this type of talent:

- A first-team All-American
- A first-team All-Big 10 player
- A first-team All-Pac 12 player
- A Senior Bowl and combine invitee

And that doesn't even include the EDGE players.

Leonard Taylor, a Top 5 player in his class who has 19 TFLs and 5 sacks in his first two years, doesn't even sniff the Top 4. Do you really think there are five DL rotations in the SEC where he's not in the Top Four DTs? Where are they?

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