Guidry's Multiple Defense: Marrying Front to Coverage

Guidry's Multiple Defense: Marrying Front to Coverage

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Gang,

Took some time to write up my thoughts on our multiple front system. I previously wrote about Guidry’s defense [https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/guidrys-multiple-nickel-defense-the-basics.187031/] after the Texas A&M game. I drew on my prior experiences playing and coaching, and maintained an interest in what Guidry was doing.

I don’t want to get caught up in the weeds of labeling the system this or that. But, based on what I can observe, we are a 43 base schematically. But functionally, we base out of Nickel because of what we’re seeing from our opponents. Again, these are my observations from the outside.

I want to expand on my prior post and focus on some big-picture philosophical concepts I see. I’m trying to be an observer and not an editorialist. That being said, I think Guidry’s system is genius and does a beautiful job of mixing concepts from different systems.

Much can be said about the relation of the front to the coverage. The oldschool way of football placed the front and the coverage into one call. This is no longer the case. My prior post [https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/guidrys-multiple-nickel-defense-the-basics.187031/] talks about this in the context of the Gary Patterson brand of 425. The front has their own calls (strength, structure and movement) and the secondary has their own calls (strength, split field coverage or mirrored coverage). They function independently of each other unless a pressure is called.

However, there still needs to be some relation between the front and coverage. Some coverages mix better with certain fronts and against certain personnel groupings. Every defensive coordinator needs to carry enough in their system to have answers to questions. They also need to know the strengths of their personnel (and coaching staff). There are a number of factors that play into this. How big are we up front? Can our corners play man coverage? Can our safeties and nickel play man coverage? Are we a zone or man team? How much information can our guys handle? Are we young?

Last year, we ran a boatload of Man-Free (Cov. 1). This was consistent across all fronts. When we were in our 43 personnel, we liked playing an Under Front paired with it. When we were in Nickel, we did the same out of multiple fronts. It looked like we were a man coverage team—and the results showed.

A whiteboard with black writingDescription automatically generated


Under (Cov. 1) v. 2 backs

A drawing of a diagramDescription automatically generated


Over G (Cov. 1) v. 1 back

A whole post can be made about the simplicity of Cov. 1 and its benefits in the run game with nickel personnel. If we were more of a Quarters (zone) team, I don’t think we would have looked as we did in our base 43 stuff. We might have seen some Over Front paired with Inverted Cov. 2 (Robber) instead of Man-Free.

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Over (Robber) v. 2 backs

A close-up of a white boardDescription automatically generated


Over (Quarters) v. 1 back

This is just a long-winded way of explaining why I believe we’re functionally Nickel based, but on paper we are a 43.

Let’s take a look at our multiple fronts. My prior substantive post [https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/guidrys-multiple-nickel-defense-the-basics.187031/] identifies Guidry’s use of CFB field spacing to create hybrid positions—another reason why I think we are functionally Nickel based. A true 43 team would be flipping their personnel to get the best technique matchups. Below is a basic analysis of how we’re able to be effective in both odd and even fronts using the same personnel.


A close-up of a white boardDescription automatically generated


EVEN NICKEL: 43/42 Over v. 1 back [above]

ODD NICKEL: 50/34 v. 1 back [below]

A diagram of a mathematical equationDescription automatically generated with medium confidence


Take a look at these two illustrations contemporaneously. On the top is what I would consider our nickel base look. Consider the following skillsets/body types listed below.

DL:

  • E (field end): true strong side DE that you never want in coverage.
  • N: true nose tackle
  • T: DE with length and pass rush ability
  • J (boundary end): Hybrid DE/OLB. A DE with enough coverage ability.
LB/N:

  • M: true middle backer
  • W: stacked backer with length and range. Will play on the edge at times and in space. This the “walk-out” linebacker against “spread” formations and our 9tech in bear front.
  • S: Our Sam only comes in against heavier personnel. Probably 10% of snaps.
DB

  • B (boundary safety): Do everything safety. Plays as an overhang in single high fronts against 2 backs; could line up stacked as a LB in Bear; could play deep half on condensed field; man coverage on the slot.
  • F (field safety): [subject of another post]
  • $/N: [subject of another post]
  • Field Corner: [subject of another post]
  • Boundary Corner: [subject of another post]
Last season we were able to flip in and out of these types of fronts in the same personnel until we got hit with injuries at our thinnest position, Jack. We needed to replace the Jack with another Will backer and started running more 33 type looks with the Jack disguising his rush gap. That was more effective until teams got some tape on it.

Below is an illustration probably the most ubiquitous zone pressure used in football. Field Dog Fire Zone 3deep/3underneath.

A diagram of a gameDescription automatically generated with medium confidence


The above play sheet uses dime personnel, but you can view this in Miami’s lens by analogy. On the pod I drew up some of our most common fronts using this same pressure. We are able to have the same people doing the same jobs (roughly) from different looks. It seems complicated, but it is not. See below.

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Every system has to make compromises. There is no such thing as free lunch. I think Miami seeks to maximize their nickel packages, while being able to jump into a 43 at times. It is a constant struggle to keep things simple as you evolve and develop and, from everything I gather, Guidry’s system is simple enough for the players. That being said, we emphasize multiplicity in the front. We are constantly moving and stemming (shifting shortly before the snap). I don’t think we have the dudes to just line up and ball. Guidry and the gang implemented the system to make up for that by drumming up chaos up front and relying on man coverage. The results spoke for themselves.

Send over questions or topics you would like for us to discuss. Go Canes.
 

Comments (25)


Gang,

Took some time to write up my thoughts on our multiple front system. I previously wrote about Guidry’s defense [https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/guidrys-multiple-nickel-defense-the-basics.187031/] after the Texas A&M game. I drew on my prior experiences playing and coaching, and maintained an interest in what Guidry was doing.

I don’t want to get caught up in the weeds of labeling the system this or that. But, based on what I can observe, we are a 43 base schematically. But functionally, we base out of Nickel because of what we’re seeing from our opponents. Again, these are my observations from the outside.

I want to expand on my prior post and focus on some big-picture philosophical concepts I see. I’m trying to be an observer and not an editorialist. That being said, I think Guidry’s system is genius and does a beautiful job of mixing concepts from different systems.

Much can be said about the relation of the front to the coverage. The oldschool way of football placed the front and the coverage into one call. This is no longer the case. My prior post [https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/guidrys-multiple-nickel-defense-the-basics.187031/] talks about this in the context of the Gary Patterson brand of 425. The front has their own calls (strength, structure and movement) and the secondary has their own calls (strength, split field coverage or mirrored coverage). They function independently of each other unless a pressure is called.

However, there still needs to be some relation between the front and coverage. Some coverages mix better with certain fronts and against certain personnel groupings. Every defensive coordinator needs to carry enough in their system to have answers to questions. They also need to know the strengths of their personnel (and coaching staff). There are a number of factors that play into this. How big are we up front? Can our corners play man coverage? Can our safeties and nickel play man coverage? Are we a zone or man team? How much information can our guys handle? Are we young?

Last year, we ran a boatload of Man-Free (Cov. 1). This was consistent across all fronts. When we were in our 43 personnel, we liked playing an Under Front paired with it. When we were in Nickel, we did the same out of multiple fronts. It looked like we were a man coverage team—and the results showed.

A whiteboard with black writingDescription automatically generated


Under (Cov. 1) v. 2 backs

A drawing of a diagramDescription automatically generated


Over G (Cov. 1) v. 1 back

A whole post can be made about the simplicity of Cov. 1 and its benefits in the run game with nickel personnel. If we were more of a Quarters (zone) team, I don’t think we would have looked as we did in our base 43 stuff. We might have seen some Over Front paired with Inverted Cov. 2 (Robber) instead of Man-Free.

A close-up of a handwritten crosswordDescription automatically generated


Over (Robber) v. 2 backs

A close-up of a white boardDescription automatically generated


Over (Quarters) v. 1 back

This is just a long-winded way of explaining why I believe we’re functionally Nickel based, but on paper we are a 43.

Let’s take a look at our multiple fronts. My prior substantive post [https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/guidrys-multiple-nickel-defense-the-basics.187031/] identifies Guidry’s use of CFB field spacing to create hybrid positions—another reason why I think we are functionally Nickel based. A true 43 team would be flipping their personnel to get the best technique matchups. Below is a basic analysis of how we’re able to be effective in both odd and even fronts using the same personnel.


A close-up of a white boardDescription automatically generated


EVEN NICKEL: 43/42 Over v. 1 back [above]

ODD NICKEL: 50/34 v. 1 back [below]

A diagram of a mathematical equationDescription automatically generated with medium confidence


Take a look at these two illustrations contemporaneously. On the top is what I would consider our nickel base look. Consider the following skillsets/body types listed below.

DL:

  • E (field end): true strong side DE that you never want in coverage.
  • N: true nose tackle
  • T: DE with length and pass rush ability
  • J (boundary end): Hybrid DE/OLB. A DE with enough coverage ability.
LB/N:

  • M: true middle backer
  • W: stacked backer with length and range. Will play on the edge at times and in space. This the “walk-out” linebacker against “spread” formations and our 9tech in bear front.
  • S: Our Sam only comes in against heavier personnel. Probably 10% of snaps.
DB

  • B (boundary safety): Do everything safety. Plays as an overhang in single high fronts against 2 backs; could line up stacked as a LB in Bear; could play deep half on condensed field; man coverage on the slot.
  • F (field safety): [subject of another post]
  • $/N: [subject of another post]
  • Field Corner: [subject of another post]
  • Boundary Corner: [subject of another post]
Last season we were able to flip in and out of these types of fronts in the same personnel until we got hit with injuries at our thinnest position, Jack. We needed to replace the Jack with another Will backer and started running more 33 type looks with the Jack disguising his rush gap. That was more effective until teams got some tape on it.

Below is an illustration probably the most ubiquitous zone pressure used in football. Field Dog Fire Zone 3deep/3underneath.

A diagram of a gameDescription automatically generated with medium confidence


The above play sheet uses dime personnel, but you can view this in Miami’s lens by analogy. On the pod I drew up some of our most common fronts using this same pressure. We are able to have the same people doing the same jobs (roughly) from different looks. It seems complicated, but it is not. See below.

A group of black and white drawingsDescription automatically generated with medium confidence


Every system has to make compromises. There is no such thing as free lunch. I think Miami seeks to maximize their nickel packages, while being able to jump into a 43 at times. It is a constant struggle to keep things simple as you evolve and develop and, from everything I gather, Guidry’s system is simple enough for the players. That being said, we emphasize multiplicity in the front. We are constantly moving and stemming (shifting shortly before the snap). I don’t think we have the dudes to just line up and ball. Guidry and the gang implemented the system to make up for that by drumming up chaos up front and relying on man coverage. The results spoke for themselves.

Send over questions or topics you would like for us to discuss. Go Canes.
Good ****, my dude.
 
Awesome.

Few topics:

- With the smoke and mirrors needed last year, I think we clearly did our best work when Guidry cooked up a new look, obviously. For example, when we slid into 3-3-5, we performed well/better for a short bit. This, despite a slew of injuries. What do you think is our greatest limitation in "changing things up" (reasonably, as college teams have limited time) to keep teams off balance?

- I think our personnel and depth are even better suited for 3-3-5 looks this upcoming season. CJ Clark is likely better as a Nose than what we offered last year. Mesidor and Bain are tailor-made for TITE fronts. We have "better" and more options for the JACK position. What do you think is the biggest downside to trotting this out there at a healthy % of snaps?

- On other posts, I've maintained that I thought Guidry did a nice job of the aforementioned smoke and mirrors to "get us through" (relatively) personnel limitations and injuries - especially to our DL. Right now, I think we still have DB personnel limitations. Considering your post and what we clearly want to do, what are the top things you expect from Guidry to shift the smoke and mirrors approach from our front to our coverage(s)? What would you do?
 
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Awesome.

Few topics:

- With the smoke and mirrors needed last year, I think we clearly did our best work when Guidry cooked up a new look, obviously. For example, when we slid into 3-3-5, we performed well/better for a short bit. This, despite a slew of injuries. What do you think is our greatest limitation between "changing things up" (reasonably, as college teams have limited time) to keep teams off balance?

- I think our personnel and depth are even better suited for 3-3-5 looks this upcoming season. CJ Clark is likely better as a nose. Mesidor and Bain are tailored-made for TITE fronts. We have better and more options for the JACK position. What do you think is the biggest downside to trotting this out there at a healthy % of snaps?

- On other posts, I've maintained that I thought Guidry did a nice job of the aforementioned smoke and mirrors to "get us through" (relatively) personnel limitations. Right now, I think we still have DB personnel limitations. Considering your post and what we clearly want to do, what are the top things you expect from Guidry to shift the smoke and mirrors approach from our front to our coverage(s)? What would you do?
I think Clark is more of a 3T that is stout enough to play NT
 
I think Clark is more of a 3T that is stout enough to play NT
I agree. And, that's better than what we trotted out there last year. Taylor, Deen, and others weren't well-suited for the 0 - even if they tried. Moten didn't make the leap, though he's still young. That Louisville game was a mess, for example. Deen routinely got washed. I'm hoping for exactly what you stated: "stout enough."
 
What I want to know is how are they going to play messidor and Bain together. Guidry likes having that jack or hybrid end. Both of those guys are 280 and true hand in the dirt guys who should never step a toe in coverage
 
What I want to know is how are they going to play messidor and Bain together. Guidry likes having that jack or hybrid end. Both of those guys are 280 and true hand in the dirt guys who should never step a toe in coverage
Hence, the question on TITE fronts. If you want to play both of them and a true DE/OLB, like Alston or maybe Malik Bryant, you likely use Mesidor and Bain as 5techs (or 4i).
 
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Awesome.

Few topics:

- With the smoke and mirrors needed last year, I think we clearly did our best work when Guidry cooked up a new look, obviously. For example, when we slid into 3-3-5, we performed well/better for a short bit. This, despite a slew of injuries. What do you think is our greatest limitation in "changing things up" (reasonably, as college teams have limited time) to keep teams off balance?

- I think our personnel and depth are even better suited for 3-3-5 looks this upcoming season. CJ Clark is likely better as a Nose than what we offered last year. Mesidor and Bain are tailor-made for TITE fronts. We have "better" and more options for the JACK position. What do you think is the biggest downside to trotting this out there at a healthy % of snaps?

- On other posts, I've maintained that I thought Guidry did a nice job of the aforementioned smoke and mirrors to "get us through" (relatively) personnel limitations and injuries - especially to our DL. Right now, I think we still have DB personnel limitations. Considering your post and what we clearly want to do, what are the top things you expect from Guidry to shift the smoke and mirrors approach from our front to our coverage(s)? What would you do?
We played our best D in the 4-2-5 when Mesidor was healthy. Guirdy has said it multiple times.
 

Gang,

Took some time to write up my thoughts on our multiple front system. I previously wrote about Guidry’s defense [https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/guidrys-multiple-nickel-defense-the-basics.187031/] after the Texas A&M game. I drew on my prior experiences playing and coaching, and maintained an interest in what Guidry was doing.

I don’t want to get caught up in the weeds of labeling the system this or that. But, based on what I can observe, we are a 43 base schematically. But functionally, we base out of Nickel because of what we’re seeing from our opponents. Again, these are my observations from the outside.

I want to expand on my prior post and focus on some big-picture philosophical concepts I see. I’m trying to be an observer and not an editorialist. That being said, I think Guidry’s system is genius and does a beautiful job of mixing concepts from different systems.

Much can be said about the relation of the front to the coverage. The oldschool way of football placed the front and the coverage into one call. This is no longer the case. My prior post [https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/guidrys-multiple-nickel-defense-the-basics.187031/] talks about this in the context of the Gary Patterson brand of 425. The front has their own calls (strength, structure and movement) and the secondary has their own calls (strength, split field coverage or mirrored coverage). They function independently of each other unless a pressure is called.

However, there still needs to be some relation between the front and coverage. Some coverages mix better with certain fronts and against certain personnel groupings. Every defensive coordinator needs to carry enough in their system to have answers to questions. They also need to know the strengths of their personnel (and coaching staff). There are a number of factors that play into this. How big are we up front? Can our corners play man coverage? Can our safeties and nickel play man coverage? Are we a zone or man team? How much information can our guys handle? Are we young?

Last year, we ran a boatload of Man-Free (Cov. 1). This was consistent across all fronts. When we were in our 43 personnel, we liked playing an Under Front paired with it. When we were in Nickel, we did the same out of multiple fronts. It looked like we were a man coverage team—and the results showed.

A whiteboard with black writingDescription automatically generated


Under (Cov. 1) v. 2 backs

A drawing of a diagramDescription automatically generated


Over G (Cov. 1) v. 1 back

A whole post can be made about the simplicity of Cov. 1 and its benefits in the run game with nickel personnel. If we were more of a Quarters (zone) team, I don’t think we would have looked as we did in our base 43 stuff. We might have seen some Over Front paired with Inverted Cov. 2 (Robber) instead of Man-Free.

A close-up of a handwritten crosswordDescription automatically generated


Over (Robber) v. 2 backs

A close-up of a white boardDescription automatically generated


Over (Quarters) v. 1 back

This is just a long-winded way of explaining why I believe we’re functionally Nickel based, but on paper we are a 43.

Let’s take a look at our multiple fronts. My prior substantive post [https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/guidrys-multiple-nickel-defense-the-basics.187031/] identifies Guidry’s use of CFB field spacing to create hybrid positions—another reason why I think we are functionally Nickel based. A true 43 team would be flipping their personnel to get the best technique matchups. Below is a basic analysis of how we’re able to be effective in both odd and even fronts using the same personnel.


A close-up of a white boardDescription automatically generated


EVEN NICKEL: 43/42 Over v. 1 back [above]

ODD NICKEL: 50/34 v. 1 back [below]

A diagram of a mathematical equationDescription automatically generated with medium confidence


Take a look at these two illustrations contemporaneously. On the top is what I would consider our nickel base look. Consider the following skillsets/body types listed below.

DL:

  • E (field end): true strong side DE that you never want in coverage.
  • N: true nose tackle
  • T: DE with length and pass rush ability
  • J (boundary end): Hybrid DE/OLB. A DE with enough coverage ability.
LB/N:

  • M: true middle backer
  • W: stacked backer with length and range. Will play on the edge at times and in space. This the “walk-out” linebacker against “spread” formations and our 9tech in bear front.
  • S: Our Sam only comes in against heavier personnel. Probably 10% of snaps.
DB

  • B (boundary safety): Do everything safety. Plays as an overhang in single high fronts against 2 backs; could line up stacked as a LB in Bear; could play deep half on condensed field; man coverage on the slot.
  • F (field safety): [subject of another post]
  • $/N: [subject of another post]
  • Field Corner: [subject of another post]
  • Boundary Corner: [subject of another post]
Last season we were able to flip in and out of these types of fronts in the same personnel until we got hit with injuries at our thinnest position, Jack. We needed to replace the Jack with another Will backer and started running more 33 type looks with the Jack disguising his rush gap. That was more effective until teams got some tape on it.

Below is an illustration probably the most ubiquitous zone pressure used in football. Field Dog Fire Zone 3deep/3underneath.

A diagram of a gameDescription automatically generated with medium confidence


The above play sheet uses dime personnel, but you can view this in Miami’s lens by analogy. On the pod I drew up some of our most common fronts using this same pressure. We are able to have the same people doing the same jobs (roughly) from different looks. It seems complicated, but it is not. See below.

A group of black and white drawingsDescription automatically generated with medium confidence


Every system has to make compromises. There is no such thing as free lunch. I think Miami seeks to maximize their nickel packages, while being able to jump into a 43 at times. It is a constant struggle to keep things simple as you evolve and develop and, from everything I gather, Guidry’s system is simple enough for the players. That being said, we emphasize multiplicity in the front. We are constantly moving and stemming (shifting shortly before the snap). I don’t think we have the dudes to just line up and ball. Guidry and the gang implemented the system to make up for that by drumming up chaos up front and relying on man coverage. The results spoke for themselves.

Send over questions or topics you would like for us to discuss. Go Canes.

Nicely done! would love to see you video the talk on the whiteboard.

I think guys would get a ton out of it
 
Reading this made me realize A) I'm old and B) a lot of the terminology has changed a ton since I played (again, I'm old). Thank you for taking the time to write this with illustrations.
 
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Awesome.

Few topics:

- With the smoke and mirrors needed last year, I think we clearly did our best work when Guidry cooked up a new look, obviously. For example, when we slid into 3-3-5, we performed well/better for a short bit. This, despite a slew of injuries. What do you think is our greatest limitation in "changing things up" (reasonably, as college teams have limited time) to keep teams off balance?

- I think our personnel and depth are even better suited for 3-3-5 looks this upcoming season. CJ Clark is likely better as a Nose than what we offered last year. Mesidor and Bain are tailor-made for TITE fronts. We have "better" and more options for the JACK position. What do you think is the biggest downside to trotting this out there at a healthy % of snaps?

- On other posts, I've maintained that I thought Guidry did a nice job of the aforementioned smoke and mirrors to "get us through" (relatively) personnel limitations and injuries - especially to our DL. Right now, I think we still have DB personnel limitations. Considering your post and what we clearly want to do, what are the top things you expect from Guidry to shift the smoke and mirrors approach from our front to our coverage(s)? What would you do?
Ill throw together a quick response video to this.
 
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Hence, the question on TITE fronts. If you want to play both of them and a true DE/OLB, like Alston or maybe Malik Bryant, you likely use Mesidor and Bain as 5techs (or 4i).
You'd be doing Bain's pass rushing ability a disservice by placing him in a 4i.
Lack of pass rush is the biggest downfall to the Tite Front.
I'm not sure Bain is even big enough for the 4i.
Usually teams utilize 3 bigger bodies to play Tite Front. The 4i's are generally closer to DT's than they are DE's.
 

First of all, I'm biased because this is the part of following football I enjoy most, but I appreciate this. I love the nuance you addressed. It's almost always lost on the boards and through text. So, thank you.

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This is the biggest question for at least the first 6 games. Is that $ gonna be Powell or can we find someone who can play Man coverage there so Powell maybe can Boundary? The Free might be Jaden Harris, who has the speed to cover ground, but not sure about his reaction time and anticipation. Improved focus and technique from our new DB coach may help some, but...

- Can we trust some combination of Porter/Brown/Richard? Would Porter slide inside against certain teams and in certain subpackages?
- Will we somehow land a quick/fast/sticky guy in the Portal who can serve the role?
- The Safety position still scares me to death. While I look forward to watching Zaquan, I'm not sure I want him matching up as a Boundary Safety with a quick slot... just yet. Who knows. We'll see.


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- I understand your reference re: the Louisville game and our issues with the 3-3-5. However, we also had our Nose consistently get washed in that game. But, yes, they also picked on us horizontally (passing).
- I've not really seen enough of the Marshall transfer to say how versatile of a Jack he can be. I don't see him in a 3-3 stack, though. Who knows.
- You mentioned a Jack who, perhaps in a 3-3 Stack, might know enough LB coverages. Malik Bryant? Booker Pickett looks like a potential future option there, but not as a 205 pound TF, I presume. Even if he is healthy this season, I don't believe NKelly is this role. Wesley might be in that role again.
- You identified my key issue: perhaps 2 of our best 3 defenders play the same position. Bain and Mesidor should be on the field together as much as they can. If Bain can slide inside some, that solves some of it. I don't know if he's ready for that, so more questions we'll need to examine in Fall.
 
Guidry is a heavy Quarters guy. He'll roll into some Cover-3 looks when he's bringing pressure but his main base is Cover-4.

And the Corners are in a "MOD" technique, which basically means they're in 'man' unless the outside WR releases underneath immediately. (then they zone off) So we're basically always in 'man' coverage at Corner, whether you see them playing off or press.

In his words, he doesn't like "Fire Zone" pressures (like Manny loved) because they leave too many vacancies. He'd rather just play Man if he's gonna bring heavy pressure.

The CB's play a "scootch" technique, they do not back pedal. This makes it a lot easier for our CB's to jump hitches and other "quick game" (3-step drop) concepts.
 
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