08/24 research has begun

Jul 15, 2019

I watched the Gates play a few times last year, but can't say I'm close to being an expert on their roster. I know one of the big things to look for is they lost basically their entire OL. With only a month or so remaining, going to be posting about our matchups a lot more and watching all of their games. In the first game I watched, I noticed there were 4 OL from last year's unit who are now gone. Here are the dudes who'll supposedly comprise their new OL unit:

Stone Forsythe - Former 3 star in class of 2016, RS Junior, has some starts sprinkled in over his career, but all at RT.
Brett Heggie - Former 3 star in class of 2016, RS Junior, some starts under his belt from 2017, has been injured on and off for last couple years, did get game action in most of their games last year
Nick Buchanan - Former 3 star in class of 2015, RS Senior, the lone returning starter (12 games) from last year's unit, former 3 star, not the biggest dude you'll see lined up at center.
Noah Banks - Dude's a transfer from Iowa Western College, RS Senior. *** This is apparently Chris Bleich. Banks has a medical issue and may not be cleared. Bleich is also a former 3 star.
Jean Delance or Richard Gouraige - Both former 4 stars. Delance is from class of 2016; Gouraige is from class of 2018. Delance is a former transfer from Texas, played in a handful of games last year. Gouraige took a redshirt last year.

Good chance I missed something since I only now began checking out the matchup with this disgusting program. Nonetheless, this matchup with our DL and blitz packages likely is the #1 or #2 key determinant for 08/24.

On the surface, it's a plus matchup for us because we get Garvin against a dude who's mostly played RT and has minimal career starts on one side, and Hill/Rousseau/Patchan against whoever they choose to settle in to their RT spot. Inside, one thing I'm afraid of early in the season would be big, mauling OL like Wiscy going up against Bethel, Ford, Nesta and company. Luckily for us in this game, I wouldn't necessarily call label their OL as "big and mauling." I'm sure we're likely gonna get hit with some misdirection and hope Blake Baker can clean up some of it, but if you're as excited for 08/24 as I am, this is a key matchup to dig in on.

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jjacks93

Jul 15, 2019

brock said:
Yeah I’d rather start scaife at left tackle and possibly work Nelson into the game on certain drives depending how it goes in game 1

Who next up at RT in that scenario if Scaife moving over ?

jjacks93

Jul 15, 2019

millertime26 said:
The Louisville transfer is pretty good too.

Consider him equal to to Trevon Hill

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Jul 15, 2019

millertime26 said:
Bro stop being such a homer. They have some dudes on there D Line.
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jjacks93 said:

Consider him equal to to Trevon Hill

That is pretty good. And Zuniga is getting first round buzz. Their DL is not elite, especially inside but will be the best we go up against this year.

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252cane

Jul 15, 2019

millertime26 said:
The Louisville transfer is pretty good too.

I don't know. He only had 1 good year and is coming off acl tear. We will see.

LuCane

Jul 15, 2019

MS11 said:
Okay cause for me it's none of the other candidates have real game experience either so and I'm sure the coaches didn't think Nelson would be the guy when he first got on campus so I think he had to perform far above everyone else to be in the position he's in. My guess is he's our best option even if he has some growing pains

I'm not sure if he's outright our best option at LT so much as he combines with Scaife to give us a better LT/RT duo than whatever Scaife/otherguy provide. Again, would be really freakin helpful if Campbell or one of the others show up this fall and shock us all.

Poptimus

Jul 15, 2019

MS11 said:
I don't agree with that a FB isn't going to really change the OL issues he's meant to get to the second and pick up LBs not take on DTs getting through the line. Florida uses spacing to compensate for the OL issues so there's less hats in the box and in turn less possibilities for a multiple guys coming free. Think the key for Miami will be tackling/angles in those light boxes cause u miss one and now it could be a problem

Realus should be able to help clear space and chip on short yardage downs when we need a first down. Think about how many times we got stuffed last year on third and short.

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MS11

Jul 15, 2019

jjacks93 said:
Consider him equal to to Trevon Hill

Hill>Louisville transfer
Zuniga>Garvin imo

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MS11

Jul 15, 2019

Poptimus said:
Realus should be able to help clear space and chip on short yardage downs when we need a first down. Think about how many times we got stuffed last year on third and short.

Thing is it wasn't Choc Gray's fault, it was the fact that everyone in the stadium new what was coming

brock

Jul 15, 2019

jjacks93 said:
Who next up at RT in that scenario if Scaife moving over ?

Well Herbert had been working first team right tackle all spring so probably him or Campbell

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MS11

Jul 15, 2019

LuCane said:
I'm not sure if he's outright our best option at LT so much as he combines with Scaife to give us a better LT/RT duo than whatever Scaife/otherguy provide. Again, would be really freakin helpful if Campbell or one of the others show up this fall and shock us all.

That's what I mean I think Scaife and Nelson are probably our best option at tackle and also think it's a higher possibility Nelson keeps improving a ton than others that have been in college for longer although it would be great if they did and a very pleasant surprise

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Jul 15, 2019

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Jul 15, 2019

Above ^ Zion blocking garvin in spring while Campbell and herbert get embarrassed. Also reed stands up nesta in the video

Salt

Jul 15, 2019

One matchup maybe being underestimated is Mullen on offensive planning vs Diaz'/Baker's planning. Both should be very familiar with each other's styles and tendencies from their prior experience working with each other at MSU.

brock

Jul 15, 2019

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Above ^ Zion blocking garvin in spring while Campbell and herbert get embarrassed. Also reed stands up nesta in the video

Doesn’t even look like garvin was going full speed there

imyrhuckleberry

Jul 15, 2019

To early to tell about their OL . . . Will have to check police blotter closer in . . .

scrantoncane

Jul 15, 2019

Someone explain to me how the total is 50.5? Two solid defenses and below average offenses.

Nothing groundbreaking here as I didn't start to do a deep dive yet, but protecting the ball and having a competent special teams unit (punter) are our keys to winning the game.

Give me +7.5 & under 50.5. And some sort of ML parlay.

CaneFanWNY

Jul 15, 2019

Good read, thanks for this Lu and everyone else

Hope the gaytor gets blasted by 50. No mercy.

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Jul 15, 2019

brock said:
Doesn’t even look like garvin was going full speed there

True. Nesta did though

cane since birth

Jul 15, 2019

One thing that worries me is their style of blocking, they pull guards like crazy and create havoc on the OL our DL gotta be ready for that, if we can keep their running game at bay we will win the game

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Jul 15, 2019

scrantoncane said:
Someone explain to me how the total is 50.5? Two solid defenses and below average offenses.

Nothing groundbreaking here as I didn't start to do a deep dive yet, but protecting the ball and having a competent special teams unit (punter) are our keys to winning the game.

Give me +7.5 & under 50.5. And some sort of ML parlay.

Agreed. With that line they’re predicting 29-21.5. That’s a lot of points for our defense to give up, especially if we’re not going 3& out with a 30 yard punt consistently on offense.

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