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flips said:
Would be nice. Hopefully OJ can play more next week too. Antoine made a nice play on the breakup, but he was getting beat off the line in m2m (against good WRs tbf) a lot on that drive, then we switched to zone and he got tricked on the TE TD.

TL:Dr I love him but it would be much better if OJ and Damari can take all of Lucas's first half snaps in nattty
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That deep TE out was scheme, that was more on Heatherman. The TE has outside leverage and the route is pushing upfield against a deep man sitting in coverage. The TE just snaps the route off early enough his man can't get there and Chambliss read it and had the ball there right on target and time.

Ole Miss hit that concept multiple times on different guys in the second half.
 
TOcane said:
I see there are two parts but the shoulder was the first point of contact on BOTH players not the head or neck unless I am missing something else which is very possible.
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Look at the way it is written. It’s ridiculous. You could call targeting on almost every single passing play where a defender runs into the receiver.


Rule 9-1-4: Targeting and MakingForcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player
No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder.

This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting.

When in question, it is a foul.
 
IRememberSchnelly said:
The targeting rules are a disgrace and never should have been introduced. I can't help but feel that they were deliberately structured to give refs the ability to put their thumb on the scale of the outcome of a game, as they see fit. They are so ambiguous and open to individualized interpretation that refs are completely immunized against criticism for getting calls wrong.
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The rules are there just so the NCAA can cry willful ignorance and claim they tried really, really hard in the event of a concussion class action lawsuit.
 
CreamCityCane said:
That deep TE out was scheme, that was more on Heatherman. The TE has outside leverage and the route is pushing upfield against a deep man sitting in coverage. The TE just snaps the route off early enough his man can't get there and Chambliss read it and had the ball there right on target and time.

Ole Miss hit that concept multiple times on different guys in the second half.
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Thanks for the clarification. Appreciate it

Go canes
 
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Lucas clearing was leading with his shoulder towards where the midsection of the receiver should be. He's leading towards the original location of the ball

He's not launching at his head. Ridiculous to expect the DB to know the receiver is falling down.

Ole Miss DB clearly making helmet to helmet contact on a defenseless Toney.
 
caneingville said:
Look at the way it is written. It’s ridiculous. You could call targeting on almost every single passing play where a defender runs into the receiver.


Rule 9-1-4: Targeting and MakingForcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player
No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder.

This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting.

When in question it hurts Miami, it is/is not a foul, referree must select whatever is most damaging and soul crushing. Also see same guidance on awarding safeties.
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I clarified it for you.
 
Awful to have that be a targeting and the one on Toney was picked up.,.

Defenseless WR take a helmet to helmet with a out of control defender vs a corner leading with his shoulder and helmet to the side literally… miss me with that BS they talked about “launching” or whatever its clear one was reckless while the other was making a football tackle.

Embarrassing call in a big game
 
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Empirical Cane said:
He is suspended for 1H of next game.

I'm unclear if Miami can appeal.
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Gemini

“Yes, a college football team can appeal a targeting ejection, but only if the foul occurred in the second half of the game.
The NCAA updated its rules in 2022 to address the "carryover" penalty, where a player ejected in the second half of a game must also sit out the first half of the next game.
How the Appeal Process Works
* The "Carryover" Only: You cannot appeal the ejection from the game in which the hit occurred. The appeal is specifically to waive the suspension for the first half of the next game.
* Initiated by the Conference: The team’s conference must submit a request to the NCAA National Coordinator of Officials.
* The Standard: The National Coordinator reviews the video. The suspension is only overturned if it is "clearly obvious" that the player should not have been penalized for targeting.
* First Half Ejections: If a player is ejected in the first half, there is no post-game appeal process because there is no carryover suspension. The in-game booth review is considered the final word for those cases.
Summary Table: Targeting Penalties
| Time of Foul | Immediate Penalty | Carryover Penalty
Yes, a college football team can appeal a targeting ejection, but only if the foul occurred in the second half of the game.
The NCAA updated its rules in 2022 to address the "carryover" penalty, where a player ejected in the second half of a game must also sit out the first half of the next game.
How the Appeal Process Works
* The "Carryover" Only: You cannot appeal the ejection from the game in which the hit occurred. The appeal is specifically to waive the suspension for the first half of the next game.
* Initiated by the Conference: The team’s conference must submit a request to the NCAA National Coordinator of Officials.
* The Standard: The National Coordinator reviews the video. The suspension is only overturned if it is "clearly obvious" that the player should not have been penalized for targeting.
* First Half Ejections: If a player is ejected in the first half, there is no post-game appeal process because there is no carryover suspension. The in-game booth review is considered the final word for those cases.
 
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