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WSU OL coach McGuire said........LMAO

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dreadloxdp said:
MRICoug said:
I think he is likely referencing the pass rush side of things (as that would be his main concern). Mostly meaning that you guys don't go all ASU about how you bring pressure. ASU will blitz at least a third of the time from all sorts of positions. All that said, if your line can get pressure itt will go a long way to helping you win.
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Hard to get pressure when you're required to play a game of patty cake first. One of the many problems with NoD's defense is that he tries to run everything from the same formation, to disguise where it's coming from. Other coaches try to show you a bunch of different looks and make you guess who's dropping and who's coming. Strong's use of standing all his lineman up so you don't know who's a rusher and who's dropping, is an example. No matter the offensive formation/personal, a NoD defense almost always lines up the same way. It's why on 3rd and 2 against GT, we see the same base defensive lineup at the snap and why they give up 3 yards.

The problem with NoD's approach, is that it takes the blitzers too long to get to the QB, allows the QB to see the blitz, and forces the guys in coverage to turn and sprint back to their position without paying attention to what routes are being run. The LB's, safeties and DB's are so worried about getting depth and into their zones, it allows holes to open up in the seams and in the underneath crossing routes. It's a fundamental issue compounded by the read and react pass rush, which is why it's never been fixed in 5 years. You have to time it perfect to have any chance at all at disguising it and of getting to the QB in time. The few times Grace or Kirby were able to get to the QB were because they were able to time it right and the QB didn't read the blitz and make the appropriate check down.

Fundamental issues on the systematic level are exactly why teams have success with the read option against NoD. Everyone wants to blame the players, but go back and look at the UNC game and look at the defensive formation when they went shotgun, twins right, with the RB on the QB's right side. They ran the dive option or speed option toward the WR's EVERY SINGLE TIME because they had NoD outnumbered to that side every time. The one time they stopped it for a 6 yard gain, it was because AQM ran Williams down from the backside end position. Couple that with the occupy blocks and designated tackler bull****, and it's easy to see why the defense ****ing blows.

I'll never understand a defense who's first objective is to let the offense get their hands on you.
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Well, if they could get properly lined up before the snap, that might assist in making a few more plays...just a few.
 
skyman said:
Salt said:
I don't get it. I thought it was too complicated for our players. Maybe they only recruit Mensa members up there.
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This is the key to a defense that we have completely backwards. For the defense it should very simple and seem complex to the offense. But our defense is very complex for our players and really simple from outside looking in. We are always a step too late, always telegraph our blitzes, get easily spooked into certain looks awhich allow the offense to dictate what we do instead of the other way around. Really sad.
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Preach, skyman!
 
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You know what? **** that motherfu ker. I hope we kill their QB and run the score up. Golden's gone. I hope dorito and Coley coach the game of their lives.

Fcking ******s
 
dreadloxdp said:
MRICoug said:
I think he is likely referencing the pass rush side of things (as that would be his main concern). Mostly meaning that you guys don't go all ASU about how you bring pressure. ASU will blitz at least a third of the time from all sorts of positions. All that said, if your line can get pressure itt will go a long way to helping you win.
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Hard to get pressure when you're required to play a game of patty cake first. One of the many problems with NoD's defense is that he tries to run everything from the same formation, to disguise where it's coming from. Other coaches try to show you a bunch of different looks and make you guess who's dropping and who's coming. Strong's use of standing all his lineman up so you don't know who's a rusher and who's dropping, is an example. No matter the offensive formation/personal, a NoD defense almost always lines up the same way. It's why on 3rd and 2 against GT, we see the same base defensive lineup at the snap and why they give up 3 yards.

The problem with NoD's approach, is that it takes the blitzers too long to get to the QB, allows the QB to see the blitz, and forces the guys in coverage to turn and sprint back to their position without paying attention to what routes are being run. The LB's, safeties and DB's are so worried about getting depth and into their zones, it allows holes to open up in the seams and in the underneath crossing routes. It's a fundamental issue compounded by the read and react pass rush, which is why it's never been fixed in 5 years. You have to time it perfect to have any chance at all at disguising it and of getting to the QB in time. The few times Grace or Kirby were able to get to the QB were because they were able to time it right and the QB didn't read the blitz and make the appropriate check down.

Fundamental issues on the systematic level are exactly why teams have success with the read option against NoD. Everyone wants to blame the players, but go back and look at the UNC game and look at the defensive formation when they went shotgun, twins right, with the RB on the QB's right side. They ran the dive option or speed option toward the WR's EVERY SINGLE TIME because they had NoD outnumbered to that side every time. The one time they stopped it for a 6 yard gain, it was because AQM ran Williams down from the backside end position. Couple that with the occupy blocks and designated tackler bull****, and it's easy to see why the defense ****ing blows.

I'll never understand a defense who's first objective is to let the offense get their hands on you.
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Funny thing is, as soon as we went base defense in the 2nd half of the fsu game last year jimbo pulled out the read option and dalvin killed us. Nebraska killed us with it too. But jimbo waited patiently and burned us bad with it and dalvin cook toasted us. Smdh.

Way to take the time and explain it. Good post
 
MIA42178 said:
You know what? **** that motherfu ker. I hope we kill their QB and run the score up. Golden's gone. I hope dorito and Coley coach the game of their lives.

Fcking ******s
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Yup! Santa is real, too.
 
It is pretty simple.

The fat slow dudes will take up space. The crazy athletic tweeners will be in the only possible place to be out of position- probably on a slot receiver. And the DBs will be in a full on prevent 20 yards off the ball.
 
deerob305 said:
Is this an insult or is he tryin to be funny???? LOL

Matt Porter
*‏@mattyports
WSU OL coach Clay McGuire calls Miami's defensive scheme "relatively simple and basic."
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Thats the complete opposite of what it is. Its so complicated that the kids cant fly around without thinking. I wish it was more simple
 
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Somebody should tell our defensive players that it's simple and basic because it's year 5 and they still suck.


Truth is, it's NOT simple and basic for our kids. That's why we still have "ME's".
 
Canezum5 said:
dreadloxdp said:
MRICoug said:
I think he is likely referencing the pass rush side of things (as that would be his main concern). Mostly meaning that you guys don't go all ASU about how you bring pressure. ASU will blitz at least a third of the time from all sorts of positions. All that said, if your line can get pressure itt will go a long way to helping you win.
Click to expand...

Hard to get pressure when you're required to play a game of patty cake first. One of the many problems with NoD's defense is that he tries to run everything from the same formation, to disguise where it's coming from. Other coaches try to show you a bunch of different looks and make you guess who's dropping and who's coming. Strong's use of standing all his lineman up so you don't know who's a rusher and who's dropping, is an example. No matter the offensive formation/personal, a NoD defense almost always lines up the same way. It's why on 3rd and 2 against GT, we see the same base defensive lineup at the snap and why they give up 3 yards.

The problem with NoD's approach, is that it takes the blitzers too long to get to the QB, allows the QB to see the blitz, and forces the guys in coverage to turn and sprint back to their position without paying attention to what routes are being run. The LB's, safeties and DB's are so worried about getting depth and into their zones, it allows holes to open up in the seams and in the underneath crossing routes. It's a fundamental issue compounded by the read and react pass rush, which is why it's never been fixed in 5 years. You have to time it perfect to have any chance at all at disguising it and of getting to the QB in time. The few times Grace or Kirby were able to get to the QB were because they were able to time it right and the QB didn't read the blitz and make the appropriate check down.

Fundamental issues on the systematic level are exactly why teams have success with the read option against NoD. Everyone wants to blame the players, but go back and look at the UNC game and look at the defensive formation when they went shotgun, twins right, with the RB on the QB's right side. They ran the dive option or speed option toward the WR's EVERY SINGLE TIME because they had NoD outnumbered to that side every time. The one time they stopped it for a 6 yard gain, it was because AQM ran Williams down from the backside end position. Couple that with the occupy blocks and designated tackler bull****, and it's easy to see why the defense ****ing blows.

I'll never understand a defense who's first objective is to let the offense get their hands on you.
Click to expand...

Funny thing is, as soon as we went base defense in the 2nd half of the fsu game last year jimbo pulled out the read option and dalvin killed us. Nebraska killed us with it too. But jimbo waited patiently and burned us bad with it and dalvin cook toasted us. Smdh.

Way to take the time and explain it. Good post
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patient? dude ran it on the 3rd play of the game and cook went for 70 yards
 
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