Wisconsin officially sues Miami over Xavier Lucas

Let’s stick to the collective as the NIL contract appears to have been between Lucas and the Collective.

But the problem with all such contracts is defining any damage to the Collective. A court is never going to enforce specific performance, meaning no court will ever say to Lucas, ‘you signed a contract with the UW Collective so now you have to play for UW’. So that form of “damages” is unavailable.

From a larger perspective, the entire point of civil suits is to make the plaintiff “whole”. Meaning that the plaintiff lost ____ due to some action by the defendant, and it will cost $X to make plaintiff whole again. In a car accident plaintiffs are typically paid a multiple of their injuries. In a contract dispute, often the parties will agree on the damage if either party breaches the contract. Or sometimes damages are easy to prove.

For example, let’s say a particular musician is supposed to play at a club and the club sells 500 tickets at $40/ticket=$20,000. Then the artist does not appear. The club will argue that it should receive back any money paid to the artist, as well as $20,000 from lost revenue due to the artist not appearing.

In this particular case the collective has no method of quantifying how much money it is “losing” by Lucas not playing. And that does not even take into account that Lucas may have a bad season, or may be injured thereby lowering his speculative worth.

And you are correct that the Collective still could have asked Lucas to fulfill his contractual obligations. But they did not because presumably Lucas’ value to the UW Collective decreased dramatically once he left school. Another reason why damages are hard to prove.

So in the end, UW wants a Wisconsin state court to say that UW and its collective have an enforceable NIL contract and that UM interfered in the contractual relationship between the UW Collective and Lucas. But there is no damage to award beyond that, and another court in the future may rule in opposite to this court based on different state contract laws. Not to mention that the decision of a Wisconsin state court will not be binding legal precedent; arguably not even in the state of Wisconsin, but certainly not in any other state or court. So even a declaratory judgment that UM did all the things alleged, will be legally meaningless.

Think of the USFL suing the NFL. The USFL won the lawsuit and was awarded $1. That is what this lawsuit is worth

I'm no lawyer, not by any stretch of the imagination, but I like to study it. I said it from the beginning, what is the "Win" here for Wisconsin.

This is basically the why. Do you win what damages, but get raked over the coals in discovery and also recruiting takes a MASSIVE hit here? I just don't understand the why here. There is a reason many others passed on trying this.
 
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I'm no lawyer, not by any stretch of the imagination, but I like to study it. I said it from the beginning, what is the "Win" here for Wisconsin.

This is basically the why. Do you win what damages, but get raked over the coals in discovery and also recruiting takes a MASSIVE hit here? I just don't understand the why here. There is a reason many others passed on trying this.


From what I'm hearing, the Big 10 is pushing this more than Wisconsin is pushing it.

Having said that, in order to allege tortious interference with a contract, you MUST allege (and prove) damages. But that is not the primary thrust of this lawsuit, in the grand scheme of things.

The TRULY important issue is for the Big 10 to buy time, scare people, and create the appearance that the Rev-Share MOU deals are enforceable.

Otherwise, every single football player in the Big 10 could choose to "unenroll" and enroll somewhere else.

Including Jeremiah Smith.
 
i haven't gone through all the comments yet, but why did Wisconsin sue in Wisconsin state court rather than in Miami Dade? I suppose they claim the injury occurred in Wisconsin and Miami had a substantial presence?
 
also, if someone is being paid under an NIL contract but cannot transfer the entire premise of transferring at will would be defeated. makes no sense
 
i haven't gone through all the comments yet, but why did Wisconsin sue in Wisconsin state court rather than in Miami Dade? I suppose they claim the injury occurred in Wisconsin and Miami had a substantial presence?


Yes.

Although if you read the complaint, they said all of the tortious actions took place in DANE County (WI), even though the pleadings describe actions that took place in DADE County (FL).
 
They also requested a jury trial.

So, you know, Wisconsin FANS.
A jury trial in Madison for this bull****!?! wtf kind of back woods badger ****ery is this!?
shocked the princess bride GIF
 
i haven't gone through all the comments yet, but why did Wisconsin sue in Wisconsin state court rather than in Miami Dade? I suppose they claim the injury occurred in Wisconsin and Miami had a substantial presence?
Jurisdictional language in the NIL contract?
 
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Do we really want to give this attention? Cause nothing will come out of it. Even the NCAA, who surely would've investigated if foul play was actually at hand, didn't do **** because Lucas' lawyer had his guns loaded.

Wisconsin tried to bind a player with a contract (illegal) based on a settlement where the ruling didn't exist yet. I can't wait to be convicted of a crime that's not written into law but may be written into one in six months.

But cool, have them take the L. It's even more pathetic that they're not suing Lucas for breach of contract but only the university for tampering in hopes of receiving money.
Well, there is definitely loads of precedent of UM being treated exactly that way. ****, it has become so predictable, that it has trickled down to actual games where officials decide to review a play 2 plays prior.
 
They aren’t suing Lucas though.


Right.

You can go on any Wisconsin board to find a bunch of tuff-talking tuff guys who will tell you that Xavier Lucas "STOLE MONEY" (their words, not mine).

Yet you will not find a single criminal or civil complaint in Wisconsin against Xavier Lucas based on this "theft".
 
i haven't gone through all the comments yet, but why did Wisconsin sue in Wisconsin state court rather than in Miami Dade? I suppose they claim the injury occurred in Wisconsin and Miami had a substantial presence?
I haven't read the complaint yet because I think the whole thing is silly, but there is Florida law that calls or texts into a state can sometimes suffice for personal jurisdiction. Wisconsin law would apply here so Florida law is irrelevant but if Wisconsin has something similar, then jurisdiction might lie in Wisconsin.
 
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Kinda disappointing that FOS isn't defending Miami in their news article about the lawsuit. Is it too much to ask that a big sports news site founded by a Cane before he even graduated and as a class assignment is biased towards us lol

 
This whole thing is 100% about the B10 standard revenue sharing agreement ... which the B10 desperately wants to have supported by a court so they can tell all B10 members that their AGREEMENT legally binds an athlete to a program for whatever term stated, regardless of the athlete's FUTURE interest in potentially transferring. Some of their statements were downright ridiculous. "UW is losing the value of an athlete with a significant NIL value" (isn't the NIL supposed to be FOR the athlete and not the university? As others have pointed out the timing ... him requesting (and being denied) to enter the portal several months before the revenue sharing was even approved. Entire "case" seems highly speculative based on conjecture etc.
 
That would involve "choice of forum" language, and not "where the tortious activity took place".
Agreed. Was just throwing that out as a possible reason for filing in Wisconsin. Of course, they’re looking for a sympathetic judge, as others have noted as well.
 
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