Will Diaz attacking 4-3 defense improve our run defense?

[Astcloud11]

We score lots of points and get decent leads and it will be a moot point

you cant win a NC by outscoring your opponent...defense or lack of defense will decide who wins. Just like if Clemson actually covered Bama's TE they would have won.

The real reason they lost is Alexander getting hurt in the first quarter. All those long cheap touchdowns came on his side of the field. They had a bunch of coverage busts because the guy replacing him was fcking up. Cant blame him though, he probably hadn't played many meaningful snaps all year. Then he gets baptized by fire in the NC game.

My point exactly...if their secondary and boundary containment didn't flop when Alexander got injured, they win. Even with that special teams desperation **** from Saban

 

[AtrainCane]

We score lots of points and get decent leads and it will be a moot point

you cant win a NC by outscoring your opponent...defense or lack of defense will decide who wins. Just like if Clemson actually covered Bama's TE they would have won.

The real reason they lost is Alexander getting hurt in the first quarter. All those long cheap touchdowns came on his side of the field. They had a bunch of coverage busts because the guy replacing him was fcking up. Cant blame him though, he probably hadn't played many meaningful snaps all year. Then he gets baptized by fire in the NC game.

My point exactly...if their secondary and boundary containment didn't flop when Alexander got injured, they win. Even with that special teams desperation **** from Saban

He was the glue that held that secondary together though. Its hard to lose that guy at that moment and not have some busts. They played a lot of combo and cover 6, as stated above. Your responsibilities change from one side to the other, from slot to outside. That onside kick really did fck them though, ole Nick showed some desperate balls on that one.

 

[jakeman1]

It's sad when you can honestly say Miami couldn't get much worse, statistically. I have no doubt that the defense will be playing faster, and will make more plays for loss. They might get gashed, but it won't be the death by a thousand cuts defense we've had the last five years.

 

[LustNCanes]

It's sad when you can honestly say Miami couldn't get much worse, statistically. I have no doubt that the defense will be playing faster, and will make more plays for loss. They might get gashed, but it won't be the death by a thousand cuts defense we've had the last five years.

Absolutely!!

 

[Samson Doyo]

No doubt. The new scheme will produce TFL. The negative plays will limit play calling options for opposing offenses which should create chances for even more negative plays. As Farcher pointed out, we'll get gashed on the occasional trap, draw or screen, it happens. I'd rather deal with that than watching opposing offenses march down the field in whatever manner they so choose. Best part of this defense will be the attacking style and dictating to the offense and forcing them to react to our defense. Big boy football, not the soft scheme we have seen for 5 years. My $0.02.

Go Canes!

 

[RoCanes]

The month of Oct is will say a lot about our run defense and Diaz attacking defense

We play 3 road games and 2 homes back to back..

Oct.1st- GT-Away
Oct 8th-FSU-Home
Oct 15th-UNC-Home
Oct 20th-VT-Away
Oct 29th-ND- Away

 

[Golsen82]

We score lots of points and get decent leads and it will be a moot point

you cant win a NC by outscoring your opponent...defense or lack of defense will decide who wins. Just like if Clemson actually covered Bama's TE they would have won.

Good point. Didn't that TE do diddly squat til that game ? Lol . And I'm sure the run D will be improved

 

[Golsen82]

We score lots of points and get decent leads and it will be a moot point

you cant win a NC by outscoring your opponent...defense or lack of defense will decide who wins. Just like if Clemson actually covered Bama's TE they would have won.

The month of Oct is will say a lot about our run defense and Diaz attacking defense

We play 3 road games and 2 homes back to back..

Oct.1st- GT-Away
Oct 8th-FSU-Home
Oct 15th-UNC-Home
Oct 20th-VT-Away
Oct 29th-ND- Away

Should shutdown GT with this D

 

[RoCanes]

We score lots of points and get decent leads and it will be a moot point

you cant win a NC by outscoring your opponent...defense or lack of defense will decide who wins. Just like if Clemson actually covered Bama's TE they would have won.

The month of Oct is will say a lot about our run defense and Diaz attacking defense

We play 3 road games and 2 homes back to back..

Oct.1st- GT-Away
Oct 8th-FSU-Home
Oct 15th-UNC-Home
Oct 20th-VT-Away
Oct 29th-ND- Away

Should shutdown GT with this D

We Better.. Richt never lost to GT in ATL

 

[iLoveTDs]

We score lots of points and get decent leads and it will be a moot point

you cant win a NC by outscoring your opponent...defense or lack of defense will decide who wins. Just like if Clemson actually covered Bama's TE they would have won.

The month of Oct is will say a lot about our run defense and Diaz attacking defense

We play 3 road games and 2 homes back to back..

Oct.1st- GT-Away
Oct 8th-FSU-Home
Oct 15th-UNC-Home
Oct 20th-VT-Away
Oct 29th-ND- Away

Should shutdown GT with this D

We Better.. Richt never lost to GT in ATL

He was 13-2 if I recall.

 

[FrancisSawyer]

Every time Diaz takes over a defense, his first year has been his best year it seems to me. Always a complete increase in defensive play, but then year 2 it always seems that everyone figures his defense out within the conference and starts tearing it to shreds.

We will know if Diaz is the real deal if he manages to put us within the top 20 in year 1, and maintain a top 15 defense in years 2/3.

Ideally, Year 2 our D-Line should return everyone minus AQM, LB should return all of the 2-deep minus Grace, Safeties will return Jaquan Johnson and have 3 upperclassman and 2-3 freshman competing for the other spot and the 2-deep. As of right now only position that scares me is CB because we obviously have a big question mark after Corn Elder (As of now) and I don't see anybody in this next recruiting class that are ready to be a lock down corner or coverage freak straight out of HS. Then again, there is no SR film to prove either side as of now.

Agreed. We should field a top 20 defense this year and I would say that he needs to be able to produce top 10 defenses consistently. As far as his pattern of early success followed by a drop off goes, it would seem to me that like you stated, teams would figure him out. What I am curious about is if that trend correlates at all with the level of talent at his disposal and/or is it indicative of a propensity to do the same thing over and over again.

As I've said before, Richt didn't bring Diaz here to be average or mediocre. Diaz now has a good amount of experience from which to draw from in addition to having the tremendous opportunity to craft his defenses by mining the richest talent pool in the nation. I think it would be fair to say that he will be working with a higher talent level here since So Fla is known to produce talented, fast and uber athletic players at almost every position.

I think the biggest question to me is if Diaz is at the point in his development as a coach where he can see his mistakes and use that experience to fine tune his defense and put it all together so to speak. What is the main difference between a guy like Diaz and established and successful DC's such as Pat Narduzzi, Mark Dantonio, Don Brown, Dave Aranda and John Chavis? Is it scheme? I believe it is the ability to use your scheme as a foundation while you tailor your approach from game to game depending on what offense you face and the ability to adjust in game on the fly. I think the best coordinators are able to identify and successfully exploit the opposing offenses weaknesses while simultaneously mitigating their own.

 

[Warrior808]

Every time Diaz takes over a defense, his first year has been his best year it seems to me. Always a complete increase in defensive play, but then year 2 it always seems that everyone figures his defense out within the conference and starts tearing it to shreds.

We will know if Diaz is the real deal if he manages to put us within the top 20 in year 1, and maintain a top 15 defense in years 2/3.

Ideally, Year 2 our D-Line should return everyone minus AQM, LB should return all of the 2-deep minus Grace, Safeties will return Jaquan Johnson and have 3 upperclassman and 2-3 freshman competing for the other spot and the 2-deep. As of right now only position that scares me is CB because we obviously have a big question mark after Corn Elder (As of now) and I don't see anybody in this next recruiting class that are ready to be a lock down corner or coverage freak straight out of HS. Then again, there is no SR film to prove either side as of now.

Agreed. We should field a top 20 defense this year and I would say that he needs to be able to produce top 10 defenses consistently. As far as his pattern of early success followed by a drop off goes, it would seem to me that like you stated, teams would figure him out. What I am curious about is if that trend correlates at all with the level of talent at his disposal and/or is it indicative of a propensity to do the same thing over and over again.

As I've said before, Richt didn't bring Diaz here to be average or mediocre. Diaz now has a good amount of experience from which to draw from in addition to having the tremendous opportunity to craft his defenses by mining the richest talent pool in the nation. I think it would be fair to say that he will be working with a higher talent level here since So Fla is known to produce talented, fast and uber athletic players at almost every position.

I think the biggest question to me is if Diaz is at the point in his development as a coach where he can see his mistakes and use that experience to fine tune his defense and put it all together so to speak. What is the main difference between a guy like Diaz and established and successful DC's such as Pat Narduzzi, Mark Dantonio, Don Brown, Dave Aranda and John Chavis? Is it scheme? I believe it is the ability to use your scheme as a foundation while you tailor your approach from game to game depending on what offense you face and the ability to adjust in game on the fly. I think the best coordinators are able to identify and successfully exploit the opposing offenses weaknesses while simultaneously mitigating their own.

I dont think people realize how high (and maybe unrealistic) a standard it is to say consistent top 10 defense. For example, here is Florida States total defense ranking for the past 10 yrs;
15, 52, 3, 2, 4, 42, 108, 13, 36, 15.

Their scoring defense looks fairly similar. The team everyone wants us to get back to beating and consistent national champion contender has only been a top ten defense in 3 of the previous 10 yrs.

 

[FrancisSawyer]

Every time Diaz takes over a defense, his first year has been his best year it seems to me. Always a complete increase in defensive play, but then year 2 it always seems that everyone figures his defense out within the conference and starts tearing it to shreds.

We will know if Diaz is the real deal if he manages to put us within the top 20 in year 1, and maintain a top 15 defense in years 2/3.

Ideally, Year 2 our D-Line should return everyone minus AQM, LB should return all of the 2-deep minus Grace, Safeties will return Jaquan Johnson and have 3 upperclassman and 2-3 freshman competing for the other spot and the 2-deep. As of right now only position that scares me is CB because we obviously have a big question mark after Corn Elder (As of now) and I don't see anybody in this next recruiting class that are ready to be a lock down corner or coverage freak straight out of HS. Then again, there is no SR film to prove either side as of now.

Agreed. We should field a top 20 defense this year and I would say that he needs to be able to produce top 10 defenses consistently. As far as his pattern of early success followed by a drop off goes, it would seem to me that like you stated, teams would figure him out. What I am curious about is if that playd correlates at all with the level of talent at his disposal and/or is it indicative of a propensity to do the same thing over and over again.

As I've said before, Richt didn't bring Diaz here to be average or mediocre. Diaz now has a good amount of experience from which to draw from in addition to having the tremendous opportunity to craft his defenses by mining the richest talent pool in the nation. I think it would be fair to say that he will be working with a higher talent level here since So Fla is known to produce talented, fast and uber athletic players at almost every position.

I think the biggest question to me is if Diaz is at the point in his development as a coach where he can see his mistakes and use that experience to fine tune his defense and put it all together so to speak. What is the main difference between a guy like Diaz and established and successful DC's such as Pat Narduzzi, Mark Dantonio, Don Brown, Dave Aranda and John Chavis? Is it scheme? I believe it is the ability to use your scheme as a foundation while you tailor your approach from game to game depending on what offense you face and the ability to adjust in game on the fly. I think the best coordinators are able to identify and successfully exploit the opposing offenses weaknesses while simultaneously mitigating their own.

I dont think people realize how high (and maybe unrealistic) a standard it is to say consistent top 10 defense. For example, here is Florida States total defense ranking for the past 10 yrs;
15, 52, 3, 2, 4, 42, 108, 13, 36, 15.

Their scoring defense looks fairly similar. The team everyone wants us to get back to beating and consistent national champion contender has only been a top ten defense in 3 of the previous 10 yrs.

I think that is a very fair point. Having said that, it is my impression that FSU has consistently done less with more over the past 15 years. The Winston era seems like an outlier. This may be somewhat due to the fact that outside of Winston, FSU has struggled to find decent QB play. Also I will point out that if the goal is set at top 15 defenses then FSU achieved that 6 out of ten years. The 108th place finish in 2009 is totally inexcusable and for as much elite talent that they are able to stack year after year, finishing 52nd and 42nd are not very impressive.

Even acknowledging the recent rise in parity and a trend of offensive dominance, I still believe that we should maintain and expect standards of excellence at UM. I don't think the standard of consistently fielding top ten defenses at the U is unrealistic given the our geographical advantage in recruiting and the history and tradition of our brand.

 

[Astcloud11]

Every time Diaz takes over a defense, his first year has been his best year it seems to me. Always a complete increase in defensive play, but then year 2 it always seems that everyone figures his defense out within the conference and starts tearing it to shreds.

We will know if Diaz is the real deal if he manages to put us within the top 20 in year 1, and maintain a top 15 defense in years 2/3.

Ideally, Year 2 our D-Line should return everyone minus AQM, LB should return all of the 2-deep minus Grace, Safeties will return Jaquan Johnson and have 3 upperclassman and 2-3 freshman competing for the other spot and the 2-deep. As of right now only position that scares me is CB because we obviously have a big question mark after Corn Elder (As of now) and I don't see anybody in this next recruiting class that are ready to be a lock down corner or coverage freak straight out of HS. Then again, there is no SR film to prove either side as of now.

Agreed. We should field a top 20 defense this year and I would say that he needs to be able to produce top 10 defenses consistently. As far as his pattern of early success followed by a drop off goes, it would seem to me that like you stated, teams would figure him out. What I am curious about is if that trend correlates at all with the level of talent at his disposal and/or is it indicative of a propensity to do the same thing over and over again.

As I've said before, Richt didn't bring Diaz here to be average or mediocre. Diaz now has a good amount of experience from which to draw from in addition to having the tremendous opportunity to craft his defenses by mining the richest talent pool in the nation. I think it would be fair to say that he will be working with a higher talent level here since So Fla is known to produce talented, fast and uber athletic players at almost every position.

I think the biggest question to me is if Diaz is at the point in his development as a coach where he can see his mistakes and use that experience to fine tune his defense and put it all together so to speak. What is the main difference between a guy like Diaz and established and successful DC's such as Pat Narduzzi, Mark Dantonio, Don Brown, Dave Aranda and John Chavis? Is it scheme? I believe it is the ability to use your scheme as a foundation while you tailor your approach from game to game depending on what offense you face and the ability to adjust in game on the fly. I think the best coordinators are able to identify and successfully exploit the opposing offenses weaknesses while simultaneously mitigating their own.

I dont think people realize how high (and maybe unrealistic) a standard it is to say consistent top 10 defense. For example, here is Florida States total defense ranking for the past 10 yrs;
15, 52, 3, 2, 4, 42, 108, 13, 36, 15.

Their scoring defense looks fairly similar. The team everyone wants us to get back to beating and consistent national champion contender has only been a top ten defense in 3 of the previous 10 yrs.

I usually equate an elite defense to being a top 15 defense. That's the standard I follow since there are things that come into play...But I will honestly be satisfied with a defense that's ranked in the 30-50 range as long as they mitigate giving up a lot of yardage by forcing alot of turnovers.

 

[Tad Footeball]

Anyone saying that they'll need a couple of years to fix it deserves to get a Kuligowski headbutt. Yes, we're going to see instant improvement. Time will obviously be the test if Diaz can produce sustained results. I'm betting on yes because once the d-line is fixed the rest of the issues become much easier to deal with.

 

[Canemang]

We score lots of points and get decent leads and it will be a moot point

you cant win a NC by outscoring your opponent...defense or lack of defense will decide who wins. Just like if Clemson actually covered Bama's TE they would have won.

If Clemson special teams made the flight to Arizona, they would have won.

You just made his point for him

 

[MiamiJoe]

We score lots of points and get decent leads and it will be a moot point

you cant win a NC by outscoring your opponent...defense or lack of defense will decide who wins. Just like if Clemson actually covered Bama's TE they would have won.

Last I checked if you outscore your opponent you will never lose. :greedy_dollars:

 

[The Franchise]

It better, or he'll be looking for a new job quickly.

they will get a couple years to fix it. they want different kinds of players on d then golden and donofrio did. golden wanted size, they want speed, speed and more speed.

it will take a yr or 2. it all depends on how the dt's play and if they can keep blockers off the lb's one thing is for sure there will be more tackles for losses in this d then in donofrio's

That's great and all, klitoris, but it has nothing to do with the question or my answer. If Diaz doesn't greatly improve our gutless and putrid 107th rated run defense immediately, then he should be run out of here on a rail.

That run defense was an absolute embarrassment, and if Diaz can't fix that embarrassment and at least make it respectable right away, then he needs to go.

 

[Warrior808]

Every time Diaz takes over a defense, his first year has been his best year it seems to me. Always a complete increase in defensive play, but then year 2 it always seems that everyone figures his defense out within the conference and starts tearing it to shreds.

We will know if Diaz is the real deal if he manages to put us within the top 20 in year 1, and maintain a top 15 defense in years 2/3.

Ideally, Year 2 our D-Line should return everyone minus AQM, LB should return all of the 2-deep minus Grace, Safeties will return Jaquan Johnson and have 3 upperclassman and 2-3 freshman competing for the other spot and the 2-deep. As of right now only position that scares me is CB because we obviously have a big question mark after Corn Elder (As of now) and I don't see anybody in this next recruiting class that are ready to be a lock down corner or coverage freak straight out of HS. Then again, there is no SR film to prove either side as of now.

Agreed. We should field a top 20 defense this year and I would say that he needs to be able to produce top 10 defenses consistently. As far as his pattern of early success followed by a drop off goes, it would seem to me that like you stated, teams would figure him out. What I am curious about is if that playd correlates at all with the level of talent at his disposal and/or is it indicative of a propensity to do the same thing over and over again.

As I've said before, Richt didn't bring Diaz here to be average or mediocre. Diaz now has a good amount of experience from which to draw from in addition to having the tremendous opportunity to craft his defenses by mining the richest talent pool in the nation. I think it would be fair to say that he will be working with a higher talent level here since So Fla is known to produce talented, fast and uber athletic players at almost every position.

I think the biggest question to me is if Diaz is at the point in his development as a coach where he can see his mistakes and use that experience to fine tune his defense and put it all together so to speak. What is the main difference between a guy like Diaz and established and successful DC's such as Pat Narduzzi, Mark Dantonio, Don Brown, Dave Aranda and John Chavis? Is it scheme? I believe it is the ability to use your scheme as a foundation while you tailor your approach from game to game depending on what offense you face and the ability to adjust in game on the fly. I think the best coordinators are able to identify and successfully exploit the opposing offenses weaknesses while simultaneously mitigating their own.

I dont think people realize how high (and maybe unrealistic) a standard it is to say consistent top 10 defense. For example, here is Florida States total defense ranking for the past 10 yrs;
15, 52, 3, 2, 4, 42, 108, 13, 36, 15.

Their scoring defense looks fairly similar. The team everyone wants us to get back to beating and consistent national champion contender has only been a top ten defense in 3 of the previous 10 yrs.

I think that is a very fair point. Having said that, it is my impression that FSU has consistently done less with more over the past 15 years. The Winston era seems like an outlier. This may be somewhat due to the fact that outside of Winston, FSU has struggled to find decent QB play. Also I will point out that if the goal is set at top 15 defenses then FSU achieved that 6 out of ten years. The 108th place finish in 2009 is totally inexcusable and for as much elite talent that they are able to stack year after year, finishing 52nd and 42nd are not very impressive.

Even acknowledging the recent rise in parity and a trend of offensive dominance, I still believe that we should maintain and expect standards of excellence at UM. I don't think the standard of consistently fielding top ten defenses at the U is unrealistic given the our geographical advantage in recruiting and the history and tradition of our brand.

I hear you, also valid points. I just wanted to throw a different perspective on what a widely considered good defense looks like stats wise.

For me, a consistent top 30 overall defense if fine as long as pts per game is also in at least that range and turnover rate is higher. With the proliferation of wide open spread offenses, its almost impossible to keep people form getting yards and scoring. Heck, even a completely stacked and well coached Alabama team couldnt shut everyone down. Thats why I feel getting turnovers has become a crucial equation, maybe even more so then yards allowed. Taking away two or three scoring opportunities by causing turnovers is more impact full when going against these high powered offenses. Their percentage of drives that end in a score is very high so it has a greater effect on the final score.

The game is changing and when going against some of the great offensive teams from say Oregon or Baylor it also might be more realistic to shoot for turnovers and high impact plays for loss with the understanding that yards will be given up playing that way. Those offenses are too good to completely shut down. So what if you give up extra yards when the result is 3 or 4 extra change of possessions because of a big loss of yardage or turnover. Thats my thinking anyway. This is where I like the philosophy of Diaz.

 

[Golsen82]

Anyone saying that they'll need a couple of years to fix it deserves to get a Kuligowski headbutt. Yes, we're going to see instant improvement. Time will obviously be the test if Diaz can produce sustained results. I'm betting on yes because once the d-line is fixed the rest of the issues become much easier to deal with.

Hopefully he can sustain his results. I hope we can have a Louisiana Tech type turn around on D, but I think with this staffs recruiting well see major improvement by 2018. Gotta weed out some of Goldens guys