Wide Receiver is our 2nd weakest position by far! (and nobody is talking about it)

New / proven good WR Coach and not the amateur we had last year
our WR are fast, were highly recruited and working their *** off... they look improved big time
the new system and accurate QB
our TE production in the new system
our RB catching the ball.. Cam’ron can catch it and Rooster is there too
Jeremiah Payton... just wait and see
 
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If you go position by position we all know that we have massive OL issues (OT, both OGs) but people are talking it. The other major question marks are CB, LB and Striker. However, if you look at some of the players at these positions, they either have guys with upside (guys who have data points that make you excited or ok about them) or their lack of productivity doesn't hurt the team as much.

Our WR performance gets excused for bad play design, poor blocking and shaky QB play. IMO the biggest problem with our WR room is that the guys who are slated to play a lot are our least talented WRs with limited upside and/or serious downside. They do not create separation consistently which is the biggest driver of consistency. While they have made the occasional big play (create the illusion that they have upside), they consistently make mistakes and can't get open or win on their routes against mediocre competition.

WR:
"The starters" / "vets":
1. Mike Harley - by all accounts a hard worker and a good guy, he is just is a rotational WR at best. Does not have any strength or wiggle, doesn't break tackles and doesn't create separation outside of the occasional deeper route (even against bad teams). Not a horrible player, but is small and really has just about maxed out his abilities. Has made countless mistakes leading to TOs over the years and loses in almost any 50/50 ball.

2. Dee Wiggins - People remember the Louisville and FSU games where he was catching long tds creating a false narrative that he has upside and is good. Off memory I can think of at least 3 interceptions (1 weak slant vs FIU, 1 weak 'go' in end zone vs VT, 1 weak out in the end zone vs VT) that were completely his fault for running weak routes, not creating separation. Similar to Harley, just way too easy to cover. Another reason why we weren't scoring points against horrible teams.

3. Mark Pope - I do think Pope has SOME upside in that he has some cutting ability that can make defenders miss in the open field and help him get open. The problem is that he is way too small, weak and not trustworthy! A bad blocker, has BARELY flashed in his first 2 years which does not to make me confident that he is going to take a big step forward. Consistency seems like a long way off.

The issue with these 3 guys is that they played a ton last year and the guys behind them are extremely young with no experience. I worry that the coaching staff uses this dilemma to playing the more experienced guys who won't make as many 'mistakes' but will continue to have us struggling to move the ball and get open.
There is definitely some talent in the young WRs but my biggest concern is size, and playing time cus of the group above.
  • Payton: most important WR on the roster. Need him to step up immediately considering the positive reviews in practice
  • Redding: looks most physically ready to play. Looks strong and decent get off at the line. Will definitely play
  • K Smith: Looks good too with cutting ability but extremely skinny so I don't know how much to trust him to play right away
  • Restrepo: If you watch his film he has good initial burst and get-off. Wouldn't surprise me to see him make plays but he's so small that it also wouldn't surprise me to see him sit in favor of the older group
  • Worsham - if it was based on his junior year I would feel good about him, but his senior year post hip surgery was worrisome and I am not counting on him now
Takeaway: if we don't play the kids we will lose MULTIPLE games because of our WRs inability to get open and make consistent plays.

Other concerns overrated:
CB: like upside of Couch, Williams, Dunson and think Ivey (who sucked last year) has tools to be serviceable if not good. With blades this group should be ok against everyone but top wrs (UNC worries me) and we have the DL who hopefully can manufacture pressure.
Striker: If Frierson plays too much we are in trouble. Slow and bad angles! I love Keonta and think he needs to be the guy who can help improve team speed, tackling and play making
LB: Brooks looked fast late in the year so hopefully he can be at least serviceable. If not we have Huff, and other young LBs. As long as RAGONE doesn't sniff the field and McCloud stays health it shouldn't hurt us too much
Restrepo is not small, he's short. 5'10 190 is not small.
 
I think we have enough WR talent top to bottom to be a solid group. My questions would be how quickly can they pick up the new O and how quickly can they establish timing with King.

The X-Factor is obviously King and his experience will most likely reduce the learning curve.
 
We'll be fine. If Lashlee and King each live up to the hype, the offense has a chance to let WRs be productive, even if there isn't a first-day pick on the roster (that we know of). And don't forget, with a guy like King back there, even if the WRs can't get open on a play, he has the opportunity to run.
 
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Takeaway: if we don't play the kids we will lose MULTIPLE games because of our WRs inability to get open and make consistent plays.

Disagree.
QB, OL, DL, Secondary, and even the kicking game can lose multiple games in a season.
An "average/good" group of WR's will not. I believe our WR group is better than "average/good".
 
What did our qb do to you to be that heartless?
Nothing, I just hope they try to.
He’s got The ability to run past the rushers and find open receivers in less than 3 seconds. If they test our oline on the basis of last years performance they’re in for a rude awakening. You don’t tell a dude like King to scramble to the sidelines and find the 2n or 3rd option. If it ain’t there then use the gift that god gave him. If they come after him dudes will be wide open. I thought enox would be smart enough to let Kosi or Jarren run for yards considering how good they did it in high school. No one was expecting qb run plays. But to let them sit there for over 3 seconds looking for 2nd or 3rd options with 10 yards of green in front of you was just stupid AF in today’s game. It’s been a fckng problem since kaaya.
 
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Everyone in this group has to make a jump in play. OP is right...entering the season, its a very weak position group from a returning production standpoint to the eye test. However, on the bright side, the position group has some room before they hit the ceiling and there is some untapped production and development that Lashlee's offense should be able to unlock just by proxy of SOMEONE has to catch the football.

I've made much longer, better posts on the wide receivers...but just a quick tl;dr -- Harley fits into the primary slot role pretty well for Lashlee, he's not ideal (I think he's a bit slow and small), but he's going to eat. The primary slot is usually the leading receiver in Lashlee's offense. Mark Pope can play the slot to Z spot in this offense. He's the WR with the most potential still left on the table but he's the wild card, I really don't know what to expect from him. Jeremiah Payton and Pope seem to be the two guys that can play inside or pop out to the Z. Dee Wiggins is big and fast and fits in nicely to the X in Lashlee's offense where he's going to be asked to press deep. Michael Redding fits in nicely into the same role and could contribute early as a result because what Lashlee asks his X to do is what Redding has done a lot of already. The X is usually the second or third leading receiver for Lashlee. Other than Harley, Xavier Restrepo profiles as the most natural slot receiver he has. Its probably not optimal for Redding or Restrepo to get burn so early, but receiver is a position a freshman can be an instant impact player at. I love Keyshawn Smith...just not sure he contributes this year, but if Pope and Payton ain't it, maybe Smith can see time by the end of the year.

Just my guess...Harley is our leading receiver and gets over 1000. I think because of the lack of returning production, I'm riding with Brevin Jordan being our second leading pass catcher and leader in receiving touchdowns. I think Wiggins, if he's focused and can improve on his concentration could be poised for a bit of a breakout as our X WR and 3rd leading receiver.
 
I don’t think WR is a weakness they’re WRs they have to depend on the offensive system play calling and QB to make plays. The offense was worst of all time last year and just trash the years before that. If the offense is what we all expect for it to be this year then i expect a couple of impact players to emerge this season.
 
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This WR group is not a weakness, it's just a group that is unproven.. The talent is there, I honestly think this group can put up big numbers... With this spread offense the game plan will be to play fast and the QB is a gun slinger.. We can add Mallory and Jordan to this group as well, because we will see them more out wide then next to the tackle.. "Unproven or Unknown NOT weakness"
 
Everyone in this group has to make a jump in play. OP is right...entering the season, its a very weak position group from a returning production standpoint to the eye test. However, on the bright side, the position group has some room before they hit the ceiling and there is some untapped production and development that Lashlee's offense should be able to unlock just by proxy of SOMEONE has to catch the football.

I've made much longer, better posts on the wide receivers...but just a quick tl;dr -- Harley fits into the primary slot role pretty well for Lashlee, he's not ideal (I think he's a bit slow and small), but he's going to eat. The primary slot is usually the leading receiver in Lashlee's offense. Mark Pope can play the slot to Z spot in this offense. He's the WR with the most potential still left on the table but he's the wild card, I really don't know what to expect from him. Jeremiah Payton and Pope seem to be the two guys that can play inside or pop out to the Z. Dee Wiggins is big and fast and fits in nicely to the X in Lashlee's offense where he's going to be asked to press deep. Michael Redding fits in nicely into the same role and could contribute early as a result because what Lashlee asks his X to do is what Redding has done a lot of already. The X is usually the second or third leading receiver for Lashlee. Other than Harley, Xavier Restrepo profiles as the most natural slot receiver he has. Its probably not optimal for Redding or Restrepo to get burn so early, but receiver is a position a freshman can be an instant impact player at. I love Keyshawn Smith...just not sure he contributes this year, but if Pope and Payton ain't it, maybe Smith can see time by the end of the year.

Just my guess...Harley is our leading receiver and gets over 1000. I think because of the lack of returning production, I'm riding with Brevin Jordan being our second leading pass catcher and leader in receiving touchdowns. I think Wiggins, if he's focused and can improve on his concentration could be poised for a bit of a breakout as our X WR and 3rd leading receiver.
This is a well thought out post but I have to disagree on Harley's talent (though you didn't really say he was talented but more of a fit). He has issues changing directions and is more of a slant run straight guy. We will see but his lack of shiftiness really makes me lower on him
 
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Not too worried about WR. The scheme will open up some things for them. Spread OC's have more than a few wrinkles up their sleeves, to help the WRs in the passing game.
 
Takeaway: if we don't play the kids we will lose MULTIPLE games because of our WRs inability to get open and make consistent plays.

Disagree.
QB, OL, DL, Secondary, and even the kicking game can lose multiple games in a season.
An "average/good" group of WR's will not. I believe our WR group is better than "average/good".
If NFL pay is a gauge to measure position group value on O , then WR is the 2nd most important position behind QB.
 
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