Why was Butch Davis so avg at UNC with more draft picks than

[CaneScott]

A lot of the butch supporters seem stuck in the past.

 

[cryptocane]

don't know which way im leaning but do people remember how bad of a gameday coach butch was?? cant deny his recruiting but gameday was an adventure.

 

[natedog]

More than 1/3 of that squad was suspended the year they had a chance to really do something! Just getting that talent to UNC shows you how much better he can recruit as well. Are you related to Golden? We didn't mean to hurt you're feelings if you are

 

[FullyERicht]

Recruiting isn't out problem.

For the love of god we had SEVEN kids drafted last year on a SIX WIN TEAM.

Did the Gators rehire Spurrier after Zook left?

I revere Butch, and was DYING for him to return in 2006. But his prime was nearly 2 decades ago. Just like JJ, and Tubbs, and Howard, and on and on and on.

 

[UMFarArcher]

I get it.

You want to roll the dice.

One more time.

 

[michaelaf]

OP. Is that you Mario?

 

[Big Sky Cane]

I get it.

You want to roll the dice.

One more time.

And hiring Butch is a sure deal? GTFO

 

[orange&green84]

I posted this in another thread but it might as well be seen here also -

Ok, lets talk about the 2010 season, the NFL talent that got drafted, and the 13 players who were suspended.

First round, player 14, Robert Quinn. Suspended the entire year. That means did not play one game in 2010.
Second round 40th player overall, Bruce Carter. Missed the last three games of the season with a knee injury. Team 2-1
Second round 54th player overall, Marvin Austin. Suspended the entire year. That means did not play one game in 2010.
Second round 57th player overall, Greg Little. Suspended the entire year. That means did not play one game in 2010.
Fourth round 10th player overall, Da'Norris Searcy. Missed the first three games of the year. Team 1-2
Fifth round 133th player overall, Johnny White. Converted to running back in 2010. Season ending injury in 9th game. Team 2-2
Fifth round 152 player overall, T.J. Yates. Played the whole year 19td- 9int. Has started 5 games in the NFL with 3tds and 7 int. 70.3 rating.
Sixth round 171st player overall, Quan Sturdivant. Played 8 games hard to say how the team did without him but I think they only lost one game while he was gone.
Seventh round 218th player overall, Ryan Taylor. Played in every game.

So, of the players four drafted in the first two rounds, Butch got a total of one guy for 10 games. That's a lot of talent missing, so saying "he had all this talent but couldn't win the Corstal" is smoke and mirrors bull****. Of the nine guys drafted only two of them were available every game. Three of the five losses are by less than a TD. Stop it with this argument already.

Season end ranked teams he beat 4. Ranked teams he beat - 8.

2010 was the year UNC was expected to bust out. That was #BBB 's fourth year, and about where everyone expects a coach to show real progress when he inherits a dumpster fire like UNC. Only two of #BBB 's "NFL talent" played the whole year. He still managed to beat two teams that finished the season ranked.

I remember that 2010 year, particularly the first game against LSU. Even with all of those players out, they still almost beat LSU on a neutral site game. If Butch had all of those palyers, I feel he would've won the ACC that season.

 

[Cribby]

Butch was very suspect with gameday coaching and was exposed many times while at Unc and Cleveland.

Lots of games were lost in the fourth quarter, because of his conservative ways. People either forget this or are too young to remember . I know his legend has grown to god like status here, but it's the truth.

He's a **** of a recruiter and talent evaluator but meh on Saturdays . He needs elite coaches and that 2000 team was an all star team of assistants. Almost like a once in a lifetime group.

 

[Cribby]

This one always sticks out. You could always tell when butch was gonna **** his pants, the hump chomping got super intense and face/ freckles turned fire red.

Bruce Arians is still ****ed at Butch Davis after all these years | ProFootballTalk

 

[jkaz1]

And he's the one who brought in those coaches. Of course a HC needs other top quality coaches on staff....

I'm quite sure Saban and Meyer have them on staff as well as some of the other top HCs around college.

Butch was very suspect with gameday coaching and was exposed many times while at Unc and Cleveland.

Lots of games were lost in the fourth quarter, because of his conservative ways. People either forget this or are too young to remember . I know his legend has grown to god like status here, but it's the truth.

He's a **** of a recruiter and talent evaluator but meh on Saturdays . He needs elite coaches and that 2000 team was an all star team of assistants. Almost like a once in a lifetime group.

 

[Cribby]

And he's the one who brought in those coaches. Of course a HC needs other top quality coaches on staff....

I'm quite sure Saban and Meyer have them on staff as well as some of the other top HCs around college.

Butch was very suspect with gameday coaching and was exposed many times while at Unc and Cleveland.

Lots of games were lost in the fourth quarter, because of his conservative ways. People either forget this or are too young to remember . I know his legend has grown to god like status here, but it's the truth.

He's a **** of a recruiter and talent evaluator but meh on Saturdays . He needs elite coaches and that 2000 team was an all star team of assistants. Almost like a once in a lifetime group.

Dude that was an all time group of assistants , he won't have the stars align like that again.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

I get it.

You want to roll the dice.

One more time.

And hiring Butch is a sure deal? GTFO

Of course he isn't. But he is the surest deal outside of Meyer, Saban, or Chip.

 

[clg003]

You say last year Al Golden had all those draft picks and didn't win?

Butch Davis had MORE talent @ UNC and did less.

marvin Austin
Greg Little
Quentin Coples
Bruce Carter
DaNorris Searcy
Zach Brown
Johnathon Cooper
Sylvester Williams
Hakeem Nicks
Brandon tate
Richard QUinn
Brroks Foster
EJ Williams
Johnny White
Quan Sturdivant
Ryan Taylor
Kentwan Balmer
Cam THomas
Garret Reynolds
TJ Yates


So what;'s the excuse?

Some of those players like Nicks were big time WR who won a super bowl.

Come and make the excuses boys. THe savior had more talent then Golden @ UNC and did less.

Prove me wrong, O wait you can't.

I will prove you wrong very easily with one sentence.

Show me the roster that Butch put together while recruiting under the Miami banner with his first 2 full year of scholarships.

and if you need more elaboration...

Why do you think UNC is equal in terms of local talent than Miami? Butch will find the local talent that has consistently been ignored by Miami coaches. There are more 3 stars in Miami that go on to NFL careers than any other place in the country. The bottom line is elmer, onion and golden couldn't identify them. That has always has been Butch'es strong point. UNC simply doesn't have that advantage and he could never build the depth required to be a championship team. Miami kids have never flooded to UNC.

Why do you think that 7 draft picks makes a championship team? Are you saying people on this site know everything? I dont follow you logic buts its extremely flawed. 7 draft picks aint jack. Butch must have had 40 on that 2001 team.

 

[Cribby]

And he's the one who brought in those coaches. Of course a HC needs other top quality coaches on staff....

I'm quite sure Saban and Meyer have them on staff as well as some of the other top HCs around college.

Butch was very suspect with gameday coaching and was exposed many times while at Unc and Cleveland.

Lots of games were lost in the fourth quarter, because of his conservative ways. People either forget this or are too young to remember . I know his legend has grown to god like status here, but it's the truth.

He's a **** of a recruiter and talent evaluator but meh on Saturdays . He needs elite coaches and that 2000 team was an all star team of assistants. Almost like a once in a lifetime group.

First off, he's nowhere near those two guys on gameday. Not in the same stratosphere. Those guys would be good with just a pretty good staff . Their hands are all over those teams.


I'm just giving facts about him, some gets pick flaws out about other candidates and act like butch doesn't have some. I'd be ok if he came back but his conservative crap drove me nuts. I also saw it a lot at two more stops , but they didn't have the talent to overcome those decisions. They're that good.

 

[ChopperCane]

Hey ASSCLOWN I recall him kicking our asses while at UNC. Now that is "disguesting" Refute that!

 

[UMFarArcher]

I get it.

You want to roll the dice.

One more time.

And hiring Butch is a sure deal? GTFO

That's the entire POINT!

There IS no sure deal!

Risk minimalization - after three successive turds - should be the prime consideration.

Butch is as good as it gets short of Urban, Saban, and maybe Harbaugh.

We make the wrong pick again - fold football.

 

[UMFarArcher]

And he's the one who brought in those coaches. Of course a HC needs other top quality coaches on staff....

I'm quite sure Saban and Meyer have them on staff as well as some of the other top HCs around college.

Butch was very suspect with gameday coaching and was exposed many times while at Unc and Cleveland.

Lots of games were lost in the fourth quarter, because of his conservative ways. People either forget this or are too young to remember . I know his legend has grown to god like status here, but it's the truth.

He's a **** of a recruiter and talent evaluator but meh on Saturdays . He needs elite coaches and that 2000 team was an all star team of assistants. Almost like a once in a lifetime group.

First off, he's nowhere near those two guys on gameday. Not in the same stratosphere. Those guys would be good with just a pretty good staff . Their hands are all over those teams.


I'm just giving facts about him, some gets pick flaws out about other candidates and act like butch doesn't have some. I'd be ok if he came back but his conservative crap drove me nuts. I also saw it a lot at two more stops , but they didn't have the talent to overcome those decisions. They're that good.

I seem to recall Urban having some really, really bad games. Recently.

I seem to recall Saban having some really, really bad games. Recently.

I seem to recall Harbaugh having some really, really bad games. Very recently.


Get this. There is no sure thing. There are NO 100%'s. There are no perfect coaches.

To sit there because your favorite isn't Butch is dumber than dumb.

Butch Davis is an instant, TURN-KEY solution that addresses EVERY UM problem. Every one.

You cannot FIND a perfect coach. So I have no idea WTF you're trying to say.

 

[Cribby]

And he's the one who brought in those coaches. Of course a HC needs other top quality coaches on staff....

I'm quite sure Saban and Meyer have them on staff as well as some of the other top HCs around college.

Butch was very suspect with gameday coaching and was exposed many times while at Unc and Cleveland.

Lots of games were lost in the fourth quarter, because of his conservative ways. People either forget this or are too young to remember . I know his legend has grown to god like status here, but it's the truth.

He's a **** of a recruiter and talent evaluator but meh on Saturdays . He needs elite coaches and that 2000 team was an all star team of assistants. Almost like a once in a lifetime group.

First off, he's nowhere near those two guys on gameday. Not in the same stratosphere. Those guys would be good with just a pretty good staff . Their hands are all over those teams.


I'm just giving facts about him, some gets pick flaws out about other candidates and act like butch doesn't have some. I'd be ok if he came back but his conservative crap drove me nuts. I also saw it a lot at two more stops , but they didn't have the talent to overcome those decisions. They're that good.

I seem to recall Urban having some really, really bad games. Recently.

I seem to recall Saban having some really, really bad games. Recently.

I seem to recall Harbaugh having some really, really bad games. Very recently.


Get this. There is no sure thing. There are NO 100%'s. There are no perfect coaches.

To sit there because your favorite isn't Butch is dumber than dumb.

Butch Davis is an instant, TURN-KEY solution that addresses EVERY UM problem. Every one.

You cannot FIND a perfect coach. So I have no idea WTF you're trying to say.

I don't have a favorite. I like a few guys . I'd even be ok with Butch ,but I know him as a coach. I watched him at all three spots , not just UM .I saw him blow or (almost blow) many a game being conservative .

I know he's not a good gameday coach . I'm just speaking the truth.

Ironically , if his name was different with that resume you guys would rip him to shreds. He'd be considered a " retread " , "hasn't won jack," look at those last two stops" hasn't won crap since 2000","he's old" or " the game has passed him by".

It's kinda funny, you say " all coaches have flaws" but have no issue ripping anyone not named Butch about theirs. Then get rustled when somebody mentions Butch's, and the concerns are legit.

Like I said , I'd be ok with Butch but it's far from a sure thing hire. I'd prefer a younger guy, that's a good gameday coach, great with x's /o's. That's just my preference .

 

[clg003]

Recruiting isn't out problem.

For the love of god we had SEVEN kids drafted last year on a SIX WIN TEAM.

Did the Gators rehire Spurrier after Zook left?

I revere Butch, and was DYING for him to return in 2006. But his prime was nearly 2 decades ago. Just like JJ, and Tubbs, and Howard, and on and on and on.

When are you people going to learn that 7 draft picks aint shiat. This isnt FN basketball! Its how many top players you have on the roster at one time and what holes you have on the team. How many NFLers were on our last championship team? Thats what you can have at Miami because of the absolute depth that's unmatched anywhere. We have tons of holes on every Golden team and Randy team and no depth. **** most Miami teams should have 7 draft picks that are not even dressed out.

Its like being in the gold capital of the world and starting a copper mining company because you have a handful of gold already. You cant have enough gold and if its all around you keep digging. SMH