Why do we refuse to play with any kind of tempo?

[Da Jumbo Mutombo]

We've scored 79 points the last two weeks.

I implore you "happy" folk to be more genuine with your statements. This thread is about offensive tempo, yet you make post that includes two defensive scores.

We scored 31 offensive points vs cuse and 34 vs NC State. Thats 65 offensive points.

Which is 32.5 offensive ppg versus two of the worst defenses in college football.

You think the committe who has publicly questioned out offense is impressed enough by 32.5 oppg against cuse and NC state to bump us into the playoffs over their sec and ND darlings?

You guys just dont get that winning alone is not enough. The offense needs to make a statement to the committee and the world so strong that they cant leave us out.

32.5 Oppg against terrible defenses wont do it, imo. Needed to be around 42.5 at least.

 

[Warrior808]

Great game on both sides, kudos to the team and staff. That was the first “it felt right” Saturday in awhile.

That said, it should be fine to discuss areas of opportunity.

Appears they sprinkled in some tempo, wouldn’t mind seeing a little more but I’m fine with what we are. To me, the bigger deal is general sense of down to down urgency and pace. Get to the line briskly, call the plays in a little faster and give yourself time at the line to comfortably get set and snap or call an audible if needed. Make the defense hustle as well, don’t let them get so comfortable. Especially in home games.

All that can happen without breakneck tempo and limited playbooks. Seems the offense could get in better rhythms, possibly help avoid some penalties & wasted timeouts and can make defenses feel more pressure. Also keeps the energy in the stadium higher and fans more engaged.

 

[Hurracanes]

OP posts about tempo.

Everybody fights back with argument that we scored.

That wasnt OPs point? Its NC State, one of the worst defenses in football. Of course we scored, but that doesnt answer his question of whether it was a fast or slow pace.

I saw the last second Jojo procedure penalty, I saw us burn a TO to avoid another delay of game. Seems like we have at least one of those a game.

I dont need to ask this question because I know why we play with a slow pace, I know Mario's style.

But I am bothered that nothing can be questioned after beating a bad team. And the responses dont answer the actual question. Tempo is the question, not points or effectiveness.

OP is spot on. Yesterday was the best offensive game plan and scheme we ran all season, but we still only put 34 points against a bad Defense and there is still zero sense of urgency when it comes to scoring points. When you lose to Louisville and SMU, you need to impress voters and blow teams out. @k9cane has talked about this many times because we love to shorten the game instead of taking advantage of every opportunity.

 

[Lazarre]

To play with tempo, you have to trust your QB to make the correct adjustment/protections/decisions. I don’t believe the coaches trust Beck

 

[k9cane]

OP is spot on. Yesterday was the best offensive game plan and scheme we ran all season, but we still only put 34 points against a bad Defense and there is still zero sense of urgency when it comes to scoring points. When you lose to Louisville and SMU, you need to impress voters and blow teams out. @k9cane has talked about this many times because we love to shorten the game instead of taking advantage of every opportunity.

Im not asking to go full blown Art Briles Baylor, but I agree with the OP -- a faster, quicker tempo that creates more plays and possessions generally aids the superior team with more depth

Also, if heat and humidity is our weapon at home, why not push the pace and put more plays on the opposing defense, wear them out faster.

I really wish we would run tempo for a full half, gauge where the game is, and if you're up big, yeah, then you grind the clock. But the best offenses in football generally never want let up till the game is truly in hand

 

[Calinative]

OP is spot on. Yesterday was the best offensive game plan and scheme we ran all season, but we still only put 34 points against a bad Defense and there is still zero sense of urgency when it comes to scoring points. When you lose to Louisville and SMU, you need to impress voters and blow teams out. @k9cane has talked about this many times because we love to shorten the game instead of taking advantage of every opportunity.

Agree on the ultimate point. but it's best to just at least consider the perspective that ND beat NCSt 36-6 (30 MOV). We just beat them by 34. And then ND just beat Pitt 37-15 (22 MOV). So that should be our target, really

So yeah I want to win games by 50, but ultimately you're getting 99% of the credit for winning by >30 as you are winning by 50, by the committee.

Also as sad as it is to say this legit was probably our most dominant total team performance in the month of November under Mario to date...

 

[TaylorWalls]

You guys want to know why we think you're miserable just to be miserable?

Indiana, with their cutting edge head coach and offense, ran 62 plays in 10 drives in a blowout against an overmatched opponent.
Oregon, with the guy who saved them from Mario, ran 63 plays in 10 drives in a blowout against an overmatched opponent.
Ohio State, the best team in college football, ran 67 plays in 10 drives in a blowout against an overmatched opponent.

Miami, with our plodding meathead head coach and offense that is trying to slow the game down, ran 70 plays on 11 drives.

But yeah, if we would just stop trying to play ball control by running it up the middle, we could have more drives and more plays.

This is why your "criticism" is stupid.

 

[Tweed]

Imagine... stay with me here.... JUST IMAGINE...

....if "tempo" was the wild card he has in his back pocket, just waiting for the playoffs. (one can only dream)

 

[TaylorWalls]

when your trying to defend the indefensible you throw whatever you can at it to try to hide what’s in plain sight.

Against a top 10 worst defense I’ve been told winning 41-7 is better than winning 56-0 or 63-0 and our offense did well because we scored on 60% of our drives (keeping in mind 33% of that 60% were field goals.)

Literally no one has even come close to beating NC State 56-0 or 63-0. In fact, Flavor of the Week Brent Key lost to them.

 

[PennsylvaniaCane]

Agree on the ultimate point. but it's best to just at least consider the perspective that ND beat NCSt 36-6 (30 MOV). We just beat them by 34. And then ND just beat Pitt 37-15 (22 MOV). So that should be our target, really

So yeah I want to win games by 50, but ultimately you're getting 99% of the credit for winning by >30 as you are winning by 50, by the committee.

Also as sad as it is to say this legit was probably our most dominant total team performance in the month of November under Mario to date...

We’re not in a position to consider perspective. We need to be beyond dominant to make it appear to the committee that it was a bad 14 day stretch. Putting 50+ up on NC State who just came off a top 20 win would send a message. Instead we got a good dominant win. Good but not great.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

LOL at the so-called football geniuses is in this thread, talking about football knowledge.

Put your thinking caps on, all you Mike Leach disciples.

Is it just possible that Beck has a hard time finding rhythm, because that’s what I’ve seen all season - he never seems to be quite in rhythm.

Now, is it just possible that there’s high risk in throwing a quarterback with the yips and no rhythm and interception prone, into a tempo offense?

Yes, in our two losses, we should’ve have probably adjusted to more tempo offense because retrospectively what would we have had to lose. But I do think there’s a trust level with a quarterback that might not be completely there. But I know everyone just wants a simplistic answer - tempo tempo tempo.

 

[TaylorWalls]

LOL at the so-called football geniuses is in this thread, talking about football knowledge.

Put your thinking caps on, all you Mike Leach disciples.

Is it just possible that Beck has a hard time finding rhythm, because that’s what I’ve seen all season - he never seems to be quite in rhythm.

Now, is it just possible that there’s high risk in throwing a quarterback with the yips and no rhythm and interception prone, into a tempo offense?

Yes, in our two losses, we should’ve have probably adjusted to more tempo offense because retrospectively what would we have had to lose. But I do think there’s a trust level with a quarterback that might not be completely there. But I know everyone just wants a simplistic answer - tempo tempo tempo.

Yep, we need to play faster to run more plays, even though we ran more plays and had more drives than the up-tempo offenses that are so much faster than ours.

 

[rascon]

Yesterday was one of our better games in matching our scheme and playcalling to our personnel.
But yes, it could still be better with more tempo and more 4 wide (and not a TE as one of those 4).

You do those two things, we would have a scary offense. Four wide would allow Beck to feel more comfortable make presnap reads and get the ball out quick. We would run the ball more effectively out of 4 wide because the defense would only have 5 in the box.

Get rid of the condensed sets as a base and tempo would pick up by itself because you wouldn’t have to swap in different personnel. Plays out of condensed sets are more wasted plays than productive ones. You could move from one play to the next and build off the last play better. We could maybe get out of the check with me first which actually leads to more false starts than it does some revelation in presnap read.

Match your scheme and play calls to your personnel and we would look like a different offense.

 

[Reyrey]

Does our fanbase not watch the games? Like we went no huddle and tempo on several occasions yesterday

 

[TaylorWalls]

Does our fanbase not watch the games? Like we went no huddle and tempo on several occasions yesterday

If you don't go air raid and score a touchdown on every drive, you're a slow, plodding ball control offense.

 

[rascon]

LOL at the so-called football geniuses is in this thread, talking about football knowledge.

Put your thinking caps on, all you Mike Leach disciples.

Is it just possible that Beck has a hard time finding rhythm, because that’s what I’ve seen all season - he never seems to be quite in rhythm.

Now, is it just possible that there’s high risk in throwing a quarterback with the yips and no rhythm and interception prone, into a tempo offense?

Yes, in our two losses, we should’ve have probably adjusted to more tempo offense because retrospectively what would we have had to lose. But I do think there’s a trust level with a quarterback that might not be completely there. But I know everyone just wants a simplistic answer - tempo tempo tempo.

Tempo would help mask his issues, which is in the longer developing routes. He doesn’t have the confidence to sit in the pocket, move the pocket and stay calm like Cam did.

Think about when he was most successful, it was quick hitting and/or one read to someone that was schemed open (Bowers). That’s where he excels, and you are more likely to do that with tempo because you don’t call long developing plays in tempo.

I’m not saying Dawson is trash, but I’m actually stunned at how long it has taken him to figure out his personnel and match his scheme/playcalls to them.

 

[PennsylvaniaCane]

LOL at the so-called football geniuses is in this thread, talking about football knowledge.

Put your thinking caps on, all you Mike Leach disciples.

Is it just possible that Beck has a hard time finding rhythm, because that’s what I’ve seen all season - he never seems to be quite in rhythm.

Now, is it just possible that there’s high risk in throwing a quarterback with the yips and no rhythm and interception prone, into a tempo offense?

Yes, in our two losses, we should’ve have probably adjusted to more tempo offense because retrospectively what would we have had to lose. But I do think there’s a trust level with a quarterback that might not be completely there. But I know everyone just wants a simplistic answer - tempo tempo tempo.

Why would we want to put pressure on a defense, who we have a huge talent advantage over? Instead we turn every play into a war. We allow teams to substitute to the down and distance and then telegraph what we’re going to do. Imagine if for once we came out with an actual script, running spread with 4 actual WR and a back and running tempo. Attacking a defense east west and then taking shots downfield. Make them defend the entire field. Instead we play scared, slow, and allow other teams to dictate to us how the game is going to go. It’s been a staple of Mario’s career and why he consistently loses games against bad teams.

 

[Go Canes!!]

when your trying to defend the indefensible you throw whatever you can at it to try to hide what’s in plain sight.

Against a top 10 worst defense I’ve been told winning 41-7 is better than winning 56-0 or 63-0 and our offense did well because we scored on 60% of our drives (keeping in mind 33% of that 60% were field goals.)

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound when you say things like “63–0 is more impressive” in a game against a D1 team, no matter how poor their defense is ?

 

[TaylorWalls]

You guys want to know why we think you're miserable just to be miserable?

Indiana, with their cutting edge head coach and offense, ran 62 plays in 10 drives in a blowout against an overmatched opponent.
Oregon, with the guy who saved them from Mario, ran 63 plays in 10 drives in a blowout against an overmatched opponent.
Ohio State, the best team in college football, ran 67 plays in 10 drives in a blowout against an overmatched opponent.

Miami, with our plodding meathead head coach and offense that is trying to slow the game down, ran 70 plays on 11 drives.

But yeah, if we would just stop trying to play ball control by running it up the middle, we could have more drives and more plays.

This is why your "criticism" is stupid.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Why would we want to put pressure on a defense, who we have a huge talent advantage over? Instead we turn every play into a war. We allow teams to substitute to the down and distance and then telegraph what we’re going to do. Imagine if for once we came out with an actual script, running spread with 4 actual WR and a back and running tempo. Attacking a defense east west and then taking shots downfield. Make them defend the entire field. Instead we play scared, slow, and allow other teams to dictate to us how the game is going to go. It’s been a staple of Mario’s career and why he consistently loses games against bad teams.

Alternatively, running tempo and having a lot of three and outs, can put pressure on our defense.