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He was good as the Oline coach from 85-05. Then he returned and became our worst assistant save for maybe Donofrio. Did he just do badly since he was coaching under Golden? Or did he get early Alzheimers and forget how to coach?

Some people say he aged but he's not that old. I've never found an article saying when his birthday is but I did find that he graduated from college in 1980. That would mean he's only about 57 or 58 right now.
 
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He wasnt that good to begin with.
He's not that good of a developer of talent...and his recruiting evals arent all that either.
 
Recruiting is a grind and Kehoe had grown to hate that part of the job. He could still coach ok. The oline Kaaya's freshman year and the lines Duke Johnson ran behind were pretty good.
 
I think it has a lot to do with Coley and his play calling. Like someone else said, when the D knows what's coming, they are going to make a line look bad. Look at our 3rd down conversion rate and tell me the D didn't know what was up.
 
Canedog said:
Recruiting is a grind and Kehoe had grown to hate that part of the job. He could still coach ok. The oline Kaaya's freshman year and the lines Duke Johnson ran behind were pretty good.
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Dont agree - on 3rd and 1 or 4th and less than a yard we never converted
 
Canedog said:
Recruiting is a grind and Kehoe had grown to hate that part of the job. He could still coach ok. The oline Kaaya's freshman year and the lines Duke Johnson ran behind were pretty good.
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The lines were awful his entire second tenure. I remember a thread on here after a crappy away game in 2011 or 2012 asking if Kehoe should be allowed to go on the team plane back to Miami. Pretty much all the responders said no he shouldn't be.
 
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Orangebowl said:
He was good as the Oline coach from 85-05. Then he returned and became our worst assistant save for maybe Donofrio. Did he just do badly since he was coaching under Golden? Or did he get early Alzheimers and forget how to coach?

Some people say he aged but he's not that old. I've never found an article saying when his birthday is but I did find that he graduated from college in 1980. That would mean he's only about 57 or 58 right now.
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He was in the bottom pool of assistants his second tenure, however I wouldn't say he's second to last. That waste of money secondary coach Paul Williams was far worse. As for Art he was a fiery coach who lost his edge back in the early 00's. Also helps some of the talent that came through while the program was at it's pinnacle. His lines have definitely underachieved since his return and it's tainted his legacy a bit.
 
If you go back and look at some of the lines in the past most of the guys we got were pretty much a lock to us, he was lazy when it came to recruiting, now he is all about Miami which is great but with the talent we have had he should have had better talent on that line. If you take a good look how hard is it to recruit OL when you have Brad Kaaya coming off an All ACC freshman of the year.

He should have gone Hard and pulled some beast, Bar Milo was coming here anyway cause if Brad, now St. Louis us a stud but he took too many projects in Loftus, Jahair Jones and Mahoney now Gauthier is a guy who is panning out he should have been your only reach. He took Brendan Loftus out of Tally when the Noles wouldn't even recruit him, that's because Kehoe is friends with the head coach.

That is why he's not here now, our guys were out of shape and technique was poor, Gadbois who was blunt honest said all Kehoe did was scream at them but he said he really didn't teach technique at all.
 
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firstandcanes said:
Orangebowl said:
He was good as the Oline coach from 85-05. Then he returned and became our worst assistant save for maybe Donofrio. Did he just do badly since he was coaching under Golden? Or did he get early Alzheimers and forget how to coach?

Some people say he aged but he's not that old. I've never found an article saying when his birthday is but I did find that he graduated from college in 1980. That would mean he's only about 57 or 58 right now.
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He was in the bottom pool of assistants his second tenure, however I wouldn't say he's second to last. That waste of money secondary coach Paul Williams was far worse. As for Art he was a fiery coach who lost his edge back in the early 00's. Also helps some of the talent that came through while the program was at it's pinnacle. His lines have definitely underachieved since his return and it's tainted his legacy a bit.
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It's tainted his legacy a lot. I thought the 05 firing of Kehoe was an awful move at the time. Now it seems that Coker might have been correct in firing Kehoe.
 
ThomasM said:
I think it has a lot to do with Coley and his play calling. Like someone else said, when the D knows what's coming, they are going to make a line look bad. Look at our 3rd down conversion rate and tell me the D didn't know what was up.
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It has A lot to do with playcalling and scheme. Kehoe wasn't the best recruiter and his overall flexibility in coaching left a lot to be desired. He was great coaching the zone blocking scheme, though. He could coach the power scheme but it never looked as clean. I think the zone blocking is better suited for the quick-cut backs you get in south florida.

Both Coley and Fisch like to use multiple blocking schemes in their offenses. But imo, nothing works better than zone blocking(in Miami) if you're not a seasoned playcaller. Which neither of them were.

I think we would have had a lot more success had we stuck to kehoes strengths a little more. Coley and Fisch got way too predictable way too often. There isn't an o-line out there that is good enough to block 11 guys who know what's coming.

You have to be dumber than a box of rocks if you think kehoe can overcome terrible playcalling.

You guys go hard on the wrong coaches too much. Some of you gave al golden every excuse right down to the last **** day. But treat Cane lifers like randy and kehoe like shid. It amazes me.
 
gogeta4 said:
He wasnt that good to begin with.
He's not that good of a developer of talent...and his recruiting evals arent all that either.
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It wasn't never lost on me that Jimmy Johnson, Erickson, Chud, Pagano or Butch never took Kehoe when they moved
on.
I think that says alot right there, especially since those coaches moved on to programs and/or NFL franchises
which would have paid him substantially more.
He should have never been rehired as UM OL coach.
I got the impression from listening to Golden at the time that he was highly recommended to him.
I wonder if this was Joaquin, Don Bailey Jr,etc crew who leaned on Golden.
Nonetheless, he's a true Cane.
At other schools, these type of former player/alums are gracefully moved on to office gig, fundraising
or even radio/tv duties.
I wished the school would find something for him.
Just keep him away from OL coaching duties.
 
He was a bad recruiter and developed talent poorly. His linemen were fat, weak and not conditioned. The blocking scheme was also bad, other than that, he was a great coach.
 
MedleyCane said:
gogeta4 said:
He wasnt that good to begin with.
He's not that good of a developer of talent...and his recruiting evals arent all that either.
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It wasn't never lost on me that Jimmy Johnson, Erickson, Chud, Pagano or Butch never took Kehoe when they moved
on.
I think that says alot right there, especially since those coaches moved on to programs and/or NFL franchises
which would have paid him substantially more.
He should have never been rehired as UM OL coach.
I got the impression from listening to Golden at the time that he was highly recommended to him.
I wonder if this was Joaquin, Don Bailey Jr,etc crew who leaned on Golden.
Nonetheless, he's a true Cane.
At other schools, these type of former player/alums are gracefully moved on to office gig, fundraising
or even radio/tv duties.
I wished the school would find something for him.
Just keep him away from OL coaching duties.
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Great post.
 
He's got five National Championship Rings.

He's a Hurricane.

Name someone else that has those credentials.

The Head Coach and Offensive Coordinator have a lot to do with the OL coach's success.

And they both sucked. We were as predictable as the sunrise.
 
When Golden brought Art back most of us (me definitely included) cheered the move. We probably should have seen it as a red flag on Golden that he'd have no other real candidates or cave with a pander-to-the-fanbase/alumni staff spot. God, I hope we don't end up saying that about Richt and Rumph.
 
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You do realize he has nothing to do with the strength and conditioning part of the OL right? He deserves some blame for sure, but it def falls back on Golden and the way he ran this program for 5 years


rt cane said:
He was a bad recruiter and developed talent poorly. His linemen were fat, weak and not conditioned. The blocking scheme was also bad, other than that, he was a great coach.
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Because when the head of the snake is rotten the body rots, just like if sabans gone his staff turns to jags. They will win without him for two or three years but it will rot just like after butch.
 
D_G87 said:
You do realize he has nothing to do with the strength and conditioning part of the OL right? He deserves some blame for sure, but it def falls back on Golden and the way he ran this program for 5 years


rt cane said:
He was a bad recruiter and developed talent poorly. His linemen were fat, weak and not conditioned. The blocking scheme was also bad, other than that, he was a great coach.
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He doesn't decide the blocking scheme. He doesn't do S&C. His job is to teach technique and make sure guys know their plays.
Zone vs Man was a problem for the scheme and personnel.


It is the same as the DL situation the past couple of years, but the OL has done better in the NFL.
 
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MedleyCane said:
gogeta4 said:
He wasnt that good to begin with.
He's not that good of a developer of talent...and his recruiting evals arent all that either.
Click to expand...

It wasn't never lost on me that Jimmy Johnson, Erickson, Chud, Pagano or Butch never took Kehoe when they moved
on.
I think that says alot right there, especially since those coaches moved on to programs and/or NFL franchises
which would have paid him substantially more.
He should have never been rehired as UM OL coach.
I got the impression from listening to Golden at the time that he was highly recommended to him.
I wonder if this was Joaquin, Don Bailey Jr,etc crew who leaned on Golden.
Nonetheless, he's a true Cane.
At other schools, these type of former player/alums are gracefully moved on to office gig, fundraising
or even radio/tv duties.
I wished the school would find something for him.
Just keep him away from OL coaching duties.
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This post works in the other direction as well. It's telling that he got through all of those coaches and championships and not one fired him until Coker sank the ship.
 
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