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PredaCane said:
as head coach that was interested in us? Unlike some I'm willing to give Diaz a fair shot but who did you guys want? Not the pipe dreams like Saban or Meyer but who had GENUINE interest in the job?
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Genuine interest comes from making a call and an offer.
 
Ethnicsands said:
I guess it depends on the definition of great. If by great you mean he sucked in comparison to his successor at UGA, then I guess I’d have to agree with you.
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You are ignoring his predecessor. Did they see a dropoff when he took the job?
 
Liberty City El said:
Josh Heupel
Mike Norvell
Dino Babers
Neal Brown

I made a whole thread about it back in November of 2018 before Richt even stepped down.
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Going foward if Diaz doesn’t turn out to be the guy then I like heupel and babers. Just got to hire good coaches and elite recruiters around them
 
TheEye said:
Hang on...Kirby Smart coached for Richt before Saban and there are a ton of Saban busts as head coach. The last two UF firings were former Saban coordinators. Jury is still out on our OC.
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Mark Dantonio, Jimbo Fisher, Kirby Smart. All highly regarded coaches. About six other coaches ended up as HC's at P5 schools. Note that the others, in order to be fired, they had to be hired at one time. So that's 9 P5 coaches from Sabans tree.

3 coaches from "Richts tree" landed at a P5 school. Smart, Pruitt, Diaz. BUT- Smart and Pruitt were hired as HCs only after working for Saban at Bama. They were not given any P5 HC consideration under Richt's tenure. So that leaves only 1 coach from Richts 20 year career ( who didn't work for Saban just before landing their P5 job) who ended up at a P5 school: Manny Diaz.

Cristobal would make 10 P5 coaches from Sabans tree. No P5 was looking to hire him as a HC after FIU. He was a nobody. His best offer was to be an assistant coach at Miami, then Saban hired this failed G5 coach as a OL coach. Couple years later he's the HC at Oregon. So yes, he counts for Saban. I agree with the other posters that Cristobal would probably end up being a king-sized Manny Diaz, but it would still be a better hire than hiring our own DC.

If Miami was going to roll the dice on a cheap young coach, I'd roll with Heupel (I forgot him on my list) over Diaz or Cristobal. The Bob Stoops coaching tree is pretty good.
 
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Richt was beyond overrated. Only our dumb *** AD looked at his resume and thought he was a good hire. The guy had Georgia recruiting all to himself, booster money and support, consistent top 10 classes, loaded rosters, solid staffs, fan support, community support and he couldn’t muster more than two SEC championships. The only thing he didn’t have was an IPF.

Anyone that watches CFB knew richt was not only overrated but washed up. You had Dan Mullen asking for the job and you went with the old, overrated, washed up coach? Get Blake Janes out of my face.
 
ItsAUThing.com said:
Cristobal wasn't interested with Diaz was hired. He was one year in at Oregon and there was no way the Ducks were letting him go after they'd just done one year with Willie Lump Lump before he bailed out for Tallahassee.

Mario would've been an option when Richt got the gig late 2015, when he was at Alabama—but at that time Richt was a better on-paper hire as Mario's only HC experience was FIU.

Fact remains there aren't a slew of guys interested in this job and aren't a lot of big named guys available. Look no further than OU turning the keys over to Lincoln Riley or Ohio State giving to an inexperienced Ryan Day the gig when Urban Meyer stepped down—instead of either program going for a big name guy—speaks volumes based on big names available.

Florida State settled on Willie Taggart when Jimbo Fisher took off—aTm WAY overpaying Fisher as they wanted a "big name" guy, who is underachieving thus far—and Florida settled on Dan Mullen; a decent B-level coach but certainly not a home run hire.

LSU stuck with Ed Orgeron, who isn't anything without his assistants. Tennessee has more athletic department money than God—spending $5M annually on recruiting; third in the nation—but keeps whiffing on their guys; Derek Dooley, Butch Jones and now Jeremy Pruitt.


To the original point; if I had my druthers, I would've liked to have seen Butch Davis rehired in 2015 when Richt got the gig. 63 years old at the time, mended fences with UM and went public with the apologies in "The U Part 2"—which came out around then and had him front and center again for the first time in years.

Once Miami passed on Butch then, I was happy with the Diaz hire in 2018. Manny revamped the defense quickly over three years—rebuilding a hot mess that Golden / D'Onofrio left—and that side of the ball looked like old school Miami for a while now.

Any outside hire beyond Diaz—again, who was available and wanted the gig? Can't think of anyone out there who would've been a good fit or worthwhile hire in 2019 as this job simply isn't as desirable as our fans think it is.
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While our admins lips were wrapped firmly around Golden’s ****, a large contigent of canes fans were very vocally campaigning for an up and coming Tom Herman at Houston. And that’s just one example off the top of my head. Terrible point by you.
 
Mario would be a disaster here. He’d be another al Golden. He’s got unlimited resources at Oregon. Every coach that was known to be a recruiter got exposed at Miami. Whether it was richt, James coley, Golden, etc.

You simply don’t have the resources and Mario would quickly get exposed.
 
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Ethnicsands said:
Richt was misunderstood, then. If you want to see what a great recruiter can do at Georgia, look at Richt’s successor. Basically Richt was a placeholder - UGA as a program, with its talent base and boosters and Atlanta, recruits well. Richt was okay at riding the wave and claiming credit.
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NVA CANE said:
Richt was beyond overrated. Only our dumb *** AD looked at his resume and thought he was a good hire. The guy had Georgia recruiting all to himself, booster money and support, consistent top 10 classes, loaded rosters, solid staffs, fan support, community support and he couldn’t muster more than two SEC championships. The only thing he didn’t have was an IPF.

Anyone that watches CFB knew Richt was not only overrated but washed up. You had Dan Mullen asking for the job and you went with the old, overrated, washed up coach? Get Blake Janes out of my face.
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UGA hadn’t won’t a SEC title in over a decade till he got them their first in his second season. Then won a couple of more with a other appearances, had the unfortunate situation of finishing 3rd or 4th a couple of seasons which would have put them in the playoffs today. He definitely put a spark into that program Donnan wasn’t able to get going to that level.
 
Once Manny was hired, one name I was definitely intrigued by for the OC position is Brian Wright at Toledo. You wanna talk about maximizing the talent that you have available....

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PredaCane said:
as head coach that was interested in us? Unlike some I'm willing to give Diaz a fair shot but who did you guys want? Not the pipe dreams like Saban or Meyer but who had GENUINE interest in the job?
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When it came down to Mario and Manny (which not even sure Mario was interested and was all a smoke screen), I wanted Mario because I wanted a fresh start, new staff etc. manny won me over during the off season, but now I’m going to be critical of things I don’t like or that are obviously not working
 
dsddcane said:
Lincoln riley is the best young coach in football
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Riley took over a team that won 10 or more games 16 of the last 18 years. So far he's done no better than Stoops did, two losses every year.

Ruhl took over a 2 win Temple team and won 10 games with them twice then went from 1-11 at scandal ridden Baylor to 7 wins last year and is now undefeated and ranked at 4-0.

Think it's at least debatable.
 
Uom2001 said:
UGA hadn’t won’t a SEC title in over a decade till he got them their first in his second season. Then won a couple of more with a other appearances, had the unfortunate situation of finishing 3rd or 4th a couple of seasons which would have put them in the playoffs today. He definitely put a spark into that program Donnan wasn’t able to get going to that level.
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You changed the topic and are using flawed logic, but I guess you just want to defend the guy. The discussion was about his recruiting, not whether you should give him credit for some SEC title back when. So you can settle yourself down and rejoice in his unblemished success on that front.

Except you should remember before handing out green stars for foreheads that the program has big natural assets, and it is entirely possible, even likely, that what happened was some combination of he was better than the refuse before him (doesn’t make him great), and the era was well set up for UGA. FSU was declining, Clemson wasn’t Clemson yet, Alabama was down. That was the time for UGA to uptick. Maybe they would have done much better if they had hired a better coach than Richt way back when.

Never forget to consider the alternative possibilities when assessing outcomes and causation.
 
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Go Canes!! said:
Imo the best hire we could have made that wasn’t a pipe dream is Matt Ruhle. To me he’s the best young coach in college football.
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If Miami would have hired Ruhle, this board would be full of "fire Ruhle" threads because he's a big "culture" guy and that doesn't often get immediate results. I agree that he's one of the better coaches out there if you're building long term and not just looking for a quick fix bandaid.
 
DTP said:
If Miami would have hired Ruhle, this board would be full of "fire Ruhle" threads because he's a big "culture" guy and that doesn't often get immediate results. I agree that he's one of the better coaches out there if you're building long term and not just looking for a quick fix bandaid.
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Sad but true.
 
Echtcane said:
I don't think Manny is the type who will have to be forced to make changes. He seems very ambitious about his career. I don't think he'll hesitate to make staff changes if he really believes he can get someone better. Now actually getting them can be a challenge for a first time head coach. Sometimes you need to build a reputation in the coaching fraternity that you are a great guy to work for. Remember that Dabo didn't have the staff in place at first that he does now.
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Great post.... Could be true. I'm just glad we finally have the support group on the back end now like we never did before.
 
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