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Who are the "Elite" Recruiters on Manolo's Staff?

Home Slice said:
You're right plus these kids are fickle. One day it's the winning. Then it's relationships with coaches and players. Then it's facilities. All I am hearing about from players this morning is how South Carolina is the best they've ever seen. . . even better than Clemson. IDK man. I think if we coach kids up and win with some style points that the right kids will become Canes.
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South Carolina? That's crazy.
 
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We currently don’t have any. Banda tries but isn’t that successful and outside of Jess Simpson having connections that’s all I can think of.

Rumph - no
Patke- TBD but I’m going to say no
No really the OC or DC ultimate job
OL coach- no idea but probably no
Hickson- I agree with the Rumph take
 
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The guys who pulled the #8 class in 2018 are the same guys who have us stuck with the #45 or whatever class in 2019. Were they ace recruiters last year but forgot how to recruit this year? Nope. The team was good last year and kids were excited to jump aboard. The team not only played bad this year but had lots of internal issues and kids stayed away.
 
The Win and They Will Come philosophy is an interesting one. Consider this: over the last 5 years, Miami has a win % of .615 with an average season being about 8-5. Our average class rank per 247 is 20.4 in that time, some other teams that are rated higher with worse, similar or slightly higher win percentages:

Miami, 40-25, .615W%, 20.4 Average Class Rank, 1 10 Win Season, 0 Conference Titles, 0 playoff appearances, 0 losing seasons, 1 coach change
Tennessee, 34-29, .540W%, 14.4 Average Class Rank, 0 10 Win Seasons, 0 Conference Titles, 0 playoff appearances, 1 losing season, 1 coach change
Texas A&M, 40-25, .615W%, 12.4 Average Class Rank, 0 10 Win Seasons, 0 Conference Titles, 0 playoff appearances, 0 losing seasons, 1 coach change
Oregon, 42-24, .636W%, 16.4 Average Class Rank, 1 10 Win Season, 1 Conference title, 0 playoff appearances, 1 losing season, 1 coach change
Texas, 33-31, .516W%, 10.8 Average Class Rank, 1 10 win season, 0 Conference titles, 0 playoff appearances, 2 losing seasons, 1 coach change
USC, 43-23, .652W%, 7 Average Class Rank, 2 10 win seasons, 1 Conference Title, 0 playoff appearances, 1 Losing season, 1 coach change
Auburn, 41-25, .621W%, 10 Average Class Rank, 1 10 win season, 0 Conference Titles, 0 playoff appearances, 0 Losing seasons, 0 Coach changes
Florida, 40-23, .635W%, 13.8 Average Class Rank, 2 10 win seasons, 0 Conference titles, 0 playoff appearances, 1 losing season, 1 coach change

This is a pretty good representation of our peer group; 7-8 wins per season, no major championships to speak of and a recent coach change. Why is it, then, that we are so far behind everyone in recruiting? If winning cures all, why aren't these other programs in the twenties like us? Winning is not an automatic cure. Similar teams recruit better than us regularly. Further, winning does not mean you will automatically have a top 10 class ever year.

Penn State, 45-21, .682W%, 13 Average Class rank, 2 10 win season, 1 conference title, 0 playoff appearances, 0 losing seasons, 0 coaching changes
Washington, 47-21, .691W%, 22.2 Average Class Rank, 3 10 win seasons, 2 conference titles, 1 playoff appearance, 0 losing seasons, 0 coaching changes

So if you just have to win to get recruits, why are two of the best programs in the country still in the mid teens or even recruiting worse than us? Maybe... just maybe, recruiting is not as impacted by Wins and Losses as is thought? Tennessee and Texas have nearly .500 records over the last half decade and they recruit significantly ahead of us. Recruiting is not a vacuum. Winning doesn't solve everything. Relationships and position coaches matter. Bags (like it or not) matter. Facilities matter. National optics and reputation matter. Wins don't mean as much as is made out. You can lose as many games as us, or more, and still pull top 10 classes.
 
I apologize, but I still don’t know why rumph can’t close on these CB’s? It’s really mind boggling... can anyone answer my question?
 
Hiring “recruiters” that can’t outcoach anyone is what got us into this mess partly. I just want someone with an x and os advantage on the field. Let the buzz of a local team winning recruit itself.
 
Winning will allow you to maintain recruiting, but it does not *create* recruiting. Look at Gundy at Okie State. Patterson at TCU. All that winning hasn’t moved the recruiting needle for them.

Even McElwain at UF. Two straight SEC Championship Game appearances his first two years and much of the heat on him going into year 3 was how bad the recruiting was. Then he hires an elite FL recruiter and recruiting gets a bump in year 3, which was a horrible year on the field.

If somebody is an amazing salesman, they can sell you on buying a car. But if all their cars just fall apart within a year, you’re going to stop buying from him, regardless of how good his talk is. But a lot where the cars don’t fall apart in a year, doesn’t mean you’re going to buy if he can’t sell.

You need elite recruiters to sell you on “buying” the program.
You need winning to make sure they keep coming back to the lot.
 
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Miami will be winning 9 games on average for the next few seasons. If we want to get into the CFB playoffs, that would depend on the QB.
 
I'd rather have technicians who know how to coach their positions than just "recruiters". Golden tried that schtick by hiring high school coaches + Kevin Beard and it was a complete failure.

Guys will come here if we consistently win 10+ games.
 
Our top recruiter is Mr W and he left the building a while ago. He's bagless but the 'croots flock to him when he's around. Got to get him permanent residence at The U.
 
Kids want to play for Miami, but there are two issues.

We haven’t put a consistent t product on the field. Our 2016 was promising, 2017 was very good and the. 7-6 in 2018. It’s no coincidence that in the same year where we were garnering national attention and ranked as high as #2, we also pulled a top 10 class. Win and they will come, but not all of them.

And they won’t all come because of the incentives other schools are offering. As a 17 or 18 year old it’s hard to turn down. If they do turn it down then they go after the parents who have to sign the LOI(Why do you think they pushed to raise the age to 21 on those). Maybe the new Miami will play the game too, idk, but I know we can’t do it the way the SEC can.

Either way, put a product on the field, get into NY6 bowls, compete for ACC Championships and I guarantee recruiting won’t be an issue.
 
Home Slice said:
Speaking with a dad of one of my guys. Clemson, Auburn, and Ohio State have been his top 3 for a year. Now, he's considering South Carolina based on their facilities. Crazy indeed.
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Never been to Columbia but heard the town sucks and is super country
 
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Brickell said:
I'd rather have technicians who know how to coach their positions than just "recruiters". Golden tried that schtick by hiring high school coaches + Kevin Beard and it was a complete failure.

Guys will come here if we consistently win 10+ games.
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Nobody is arguing for "just" recruiters.

Building a staff is like building a baseball team. Ideally you'd want players that can hit and play defense at every position. But that's unrealistic. So you say, "Okay, what positions do I want a little more defense at, even if it comes at the expense of the bat? What positions do I want a little more bat at, even if it comes at the expense of defense?" This is why CF tends to be one of your two worst hitters but one of your two best defenders, and 1B is usually your worst defender but best power bat.

There are certain coaching positions where you lean towards a technician. OL coach is an example. But you got to then makeup for the recruiting somewhere. This is usually RB coach, TE, WR, ST. Is there a point where their coaching can get SO bad that it cancels out their recruiting ability? Sure. Just as there is a point where a CFs bat can get SO bad it cancels out his defense. But the strategy for building balance still has to be there.
 
Every staff needs a combination of coaching/recruiters. Some guys are exclusively one thing while others do a little of both. I'd like to see at least one Hartley type on offense. Defense could have used one too but hopefully Patke can produce.
 
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