Whitlock on ACC officiating

[MiamiMD93]

After the Duke game there was a clear and unquestionable bias against us. It sure seemed like they were going to make sure we paid for the errors made by the officials during that game.

Let's not forget the 3 PI calls on Dukes last drive, the no review on their go ahead TD and all the other Bull****.

Then don't forget that the ACC later in the week admitted that there were also bad calls on the last Duke drive. And again, we're talking about refs during the game. Whatever was said after the game means nothing. Bottom line...we won the game on what many believed were bad calls that went in our favor. Where is the conspiracy against Miami in that?

And as far as the UNC game is concerned...when we embarrass teams again by beating the snot out of them, then we can whine about celebration penalties. I look forward to the day that we start playing again the way UNC did against us. In that case, I care much more about the fact that we were embarrassed, yet again, on national TV. Complaining about celebration, when you're a Miami fan, is the height of hypocrisy.

 

[BigDikCane]

You niggazz complaining about the refs? ***** if wasn't for the refs we would be 7-5.

 

[CUKIO34]

fly the banner "ACC Refs = A$$"

 

[DapperSlapper]

There was a penalty on the kick. It was expressed as offsides, but the penalty was because a player or 2 on UNC was lined up outside the nine-yard marks at the ready-for-play signal.

Art. 2(c)(5): c. When the ball is kicked (A.R. 6-1-2-I-IV):
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5. All players of Team A must have been between the nine-yard marks after the ready-for-play signal.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

the ref threw the flag before he could know which team recovered

Exactly. There is no grand conspiracy here, just an poor level of officiating competence across the ranks of the ACC, with a little home town bias thrown in from time to time.

Here's the thing though. If they decide to throw the flag no matter what, look at your possible outcomes:

Clemson recovers - penalty declined, game over
Ball goes out of bounds - penalty declined, game over
UNC recovers - re-kick, and they have to convert back-to-back onside kicks

Throwing the flag when he did was pure genius. It looks like it was before UNC recovered (which it was), but it ensured with 100% certainty that either the game would be over or UNC would have to do it again.

 

[canesbaby]

While it's likely never going to be proven, would any of this surprise anyone if it was true?

It's always been bad but this was the worst year I've ever seen. I don't know how some of the ACC officials can live with themselves after some of the calls we've seen (not just in UM games) this season. The UNC offside call in the ACCCG was just the icing on the cake.

 

[Billy D Williams]

Determining or influencing a game by officiating is both a breach of responsibility and a crime in my view. If the league condones or authorizes officials it could potentially lead to charges and huge law suits. Hope they covered their tracks well.

 

[sfowler06]

the ref threw the flag before he could know which team recovered

Exactly. There is no grand conspiracy here, just an poor level of officiating competence across the ranks of the ACC, with a little home town bias thrown in from time to time.

Here's the thing though. If they decide to throw the flag no matter what, look at your possible outcomes:

Clemson recovers - penalty declined, game over
Ball goes out of bounds - penalty declined, game over
UNC recovers - re-kick, and they have to convert back-to-back onside kicks

Throwing the flag when he did was pure genius. It looks like it was before UNC recovered (which it was), but it ensured with 100% certainty that either the game would be over or UNC would have to do it again.

Finally, someone gets it!

 

[MiamiMD93]

There was a penalty on the kick. It was expressed as offsides, but the penalty was because a player or 2 on UNC was lined up outside the nine-yard marks at the ready-for-play signal.

Art. 2(c)(5): c. When the ball is kicked (A.R. 6-1-2-I-IV):
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5. All players of Team A must have been between the nine-yard marks after the ready-for-play signal.

Finally, someone gets it!

Anyone notice that UNC has been pretty quiet. Not like after the Duke game, when Cutcliffe cried like a baby.

Take off the tin foil hats, everyone.

 

[TreOFive]

If we just beat the explicit out of the other team we won't have to worry about officiating

Its comin

 

[5Ringz]

the ref threw the flag before he could know which team recovered

Doesn't matter it's a penalty on UNC

Clemson recovers, decline penalty
UNC recovers, kick over from 5 yards further

 

[AUcane]

the ref threw the flag before he could know which team recovered

Yeah but it sure gives the other team an edge - if UNC recovers, they call it back. If Clemson recovers, penalty is declined. The flag greatly favored Clemson, regardless of when it was thrown.

 

[LuCane]

I think it's mostly just shoddy officiating.

There's only one way to take the refs out of the equation:

Ruthlessness.

 

[GeraltOfCaneia]

They stuck it to us in Duke and UNC. Probably because our season was already done and those teams had chances to go places. College football really has an officiating problem across the country.

Last time I checked, we won the Duke game because of supposed "bad" calls that went our way. Again, as I said above, no grand conspiracy, just bad refs and unchecked human bias.

Last time I checked you must not have watched the whole game.

 

[edge]

Every good ref will tell you on thing: In the final few minutes of a game they do not want to be the one that decides the game. Yes I agree shoddy officiating is in effect. But on Duke's last offensive drive, 2 PI penalties that helped possibly decide the game. The UNC call helped decide the game. Let's not even get into the OSU PI penalty. So here are perfect situations for officials not to help decide the game, yet they are right in the middle of it.

 

[dycane]

the ref threw the flag before he could know which team recovered

Exactly. There is no grand conspiracy here, just an poor level of officiating competence across the ranks of the ACC, with a little home town bias thrown in from time to time.

If you're going to rig it, that would be the way to do it. If UNC doesn't recover, flag is meaningless. If they do, then he just saved the day. By throwing it early, he hides behind the flawed logic you guys are advancing -- no disrespect.

 

[MiamiMD93]

They stuck it to us in Duke and UNC. Probably because our season was already done and those teams had chances to go places. College football really has an officiating problem across the country.

Last time I checked, we won the Duke game because of supposed "bad" calls that went our way. Again, as I said above, no grand conspiracy, just bad refs and unchecked human bias.

Last time I checked you must not have watched the whole game.

Really? And just how do you surmise that I didn't watch the game based solely on the content of my comment above?

Did we win the game? CHECK

Was their an outcry after the game that our "return" should have been invalidated because officials missed one or more calls on that play? CHECK

Did the ACC admit, after first siding with Duke, that bad calls were made on Duke's last drive? CHECK

So, if there was some grand conspiracy against Miami, why did we get those supposed favorable calls on the return to allow us to win the game? A play that was reviewed for nearly 10 minutes, which would have given them every opportunity to invalidate the return and ***** Miami, to fulfill the conspiracy theory. I watched every moment of the game, saw all the bad calls, on both sides, and yet the poor officiating still resulted in a Miami win.

So please tell me how you can even begin to question whether or not I watched the game based on what I said.

 

[MiamiMD93]

the ref threw the flag before he could know which team recovered

Exactly. There is no grand conspiracy here, just an poor level of officiating competence across the ranks of the ACC, with a little home town bias thrown in from time to time.

If you're going to rig it, that would be the way to do it. If UNC doesn't recover, flag is meaningless. If they do, then he just saved the day. By throwing it early, he hides behind the flawed logic you guys are advancing -- no disrespect.

That would make sense if there was no penalty on the play, but as pointed out above, there actually was a penalty on the play. Notice there has been no outcry from UNC, like there was from Duke.

 

[theibisrules]

SEC is just pi$$ed they couldn't sneak in 2 teams

 

[Gatorhater]

SEC is just pi$$ed they couldn't sneak in 2 teams

True. But I think MSU beat bama. Bama is one man team -- **** of a man, but one man anyway. Unlike UF, MSU will keep wearing on Bama's defense just like Bama does with Henry. People are saying Bama got lucking in the draw because MSU is the type of team Bama built to beat, but I don't see it that way. There are two hard teams in the playoffs and too softer team. Bama drew the other hard team. I think MSU beat them.