Where we Fall in the HC Pecking Order

[aelmiami]

The 13th most talented team in the nation is inconsequential to what the product on the field looks like, rankings in a vacuum don’t really mean anything if results aren’t commensurate to them.

And I never said you can’t recruit at Miami, my point was fans tend to use the fact that Miami is located in the middle of a recruiting hotbed in South FL as a major selling point for why coaches would wanna come here & my point is most coaches can get those South FL athletes at their school anyway without having to coach here, meaning they’re not missing out on the hotbed of recruits because the best ones don’t come here anyway & that can’t be argued.

And yes probably a number of G5 & P5 coordinators take the job, of course they would because it would be a pay raise & increase in profile for them, but that’s not really the point. The majority of our fans are really clamoring for a big time big name proven HC & the fact is most of them wouldn’t want to come here, which is to say, Miami is not looked at as this great destination place for top tier HC’s, but it can be an intriguing sell for an upcoming coach or someone trying to resurrect their career (like Hugh Freeze or Tom Herman).

Which means it’s not that great of a job anymore, it’s basically in the middle of the pack.

I’d be super leery of taking this job if I was an up and coming coach. It’s going to take a lot of work to get this to the level the fan base wants. Unless you can appeal to the coach, like Mario, there’s no draw in leaving an above average to good gig.

 

[NateDogg]

The Athletic polled over 100 coaches and ADs. Miami was voted the 13th best job in the nation. LSU and USC were ahead of Miami, but none of the other jobs are coming available any time soon.

That is the most accurate gauge of where we are. Full Top 15:

1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Georgia
4. Texas
5. LSU
6. USC
7. Clemson
8. Oklahoma
9. Notre Dame
10. Florida
11. Michigan
12. Texas A&M
13. Miami
14. Oregon
15. FSU

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The Athletic article on the top jobs in CFB

I wont list team captions. There were some interesting quotes. Here is how they introduced the list: "We could tell you our opinions, but we figured it might be wiser to actually ask the people who hope to someday hold these jobs. So we (Max Olson, Bruce Feldman, Ari Wasserman and Andy...

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[NC_Canes_11]

LoL, they signed O to a 6-year, $42 million deal 2 years ago. SEC, they throw away money and they have no trouble canning a guy after 2 consecutive mediocre seasons.

Weird how the money is always there when you care enough

 

[NC_Canes_11]

I’d be super leery of taking this job if I was an up and coming coach. It’s going to take a lot of work to get this to the level the fan base wants. Unless you can appeal to the coach, like Mario, there’s no draw in leaving an above average to good gig.

Which is why it needs to be an established guy who has proven they can win. You can give a guy like that a couple years. But when you hire a first time coach, there is no proof. It’s easier to say this isn’t it, when there zero track record.

 

[hoops156]

USC yes.

LSU, while having a great recruiting base and more resources, also has a WAAAAY harder path to championships. Both conference and national.

So I could see a certain kind of coach choosing to come to Miami over LSU.

Recruiting is tied between the two.
Resources/pay LSU wins
Path to win Miami wins

Lsu over Miami usc over Miami

 

[hoops156]

Which is why it needs to be an established guy who has proven they can win. You can give a guy like that a couple years. But when you hire a first time coach, there is no proof. It’s easier to say this isn’t it, when there zero track record.

We won’t give a guy 3 years to win. No matter the name. Better be someone who’s done it Bc even richt who got us our best two years in forever was gone

 

[KANE]

It’s according to if/when the guillotine blade falls.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

We won’t give a guy 3 years to win. No matter the name. Better be someone who’s done it Bc even richt who got us our best two years in forever was gone

I didn’t say everybody would be fine with a slow start or bad losses, but reasonable fans would be more willing to give a proven guy more time than a first time coach. Especially a first time coach from a failed regime like half our hires from the last 20 years.

I don’t think you can lump Richt into the turning on a proven winner. He was at the end of his career. Nobody expected him to last 10 years. It was clear what he was here for when he wouldn’t fire his son or make any necessary moves.

 

[hoops156]

I didn’t say everybody would be fine with a slow start or bad losses, but reasonable fans would be more willing to give a proven guy more time than a first time coach. Especially a first time coach from a failed regime like half our hires from the last 20 years.

I don’t think you can lump Richt into the turning on a proven winner. He was at the end of his career. Nobody expected him to last 10 years. It was clear what he was here for when he wouldn’t fire his son or make any necessary moves.

this city wanted spo fired after 9-8 lol. We aren’t patient, we expect results now. You hire Mario w the money you better win now Bc patience won’t be there

 

[NC_Canes_11]

this city wanted spo fired after 9-8 lol. We aren’t patient, we expect results now. You hire Mario w the money you better win now Bc patience won’t be there

I’m not a pro sports guy so I can’t speak to all that. But I know Miami doesn’t care if you aren’t good. That’s why when Richt left I said this program needs a stabilizer, like Bill Clarke. A reset if you will. Would’ve done wonders for everyone. Nobody would expect Clarke to win 10 games but we would’ve been well coached and in a much better place.

Now I’m still open to someone like that in Clawson, but Mario is someone I’d be willing to give a couple years to figure it out. We have so much young talent sprinkled everywhere it’s hard not to get your hopes up. But we need a good 3-5 years to figure out the trenches before we win anything significant.

 

[hoops156]

I’m not a pro sports guy so I can’t speak to all that. But I know Miami doesn’t care if you aren’t good. That’s why when Richt left I said this program needs a stabilizer, like Bill Clarke. A reset if you will. Would’ve done wonders for everyone. Nobody would expect Clarke to win 10 games but we would’ve been well coached and in a much better place.

Now I’m still open to someone like that in Clawson, but Mario is someone I’d be willing to give a couple years to figure it out. We have so much young talent sprinkled everywhere it’s hard not to get your hopes up. But we need a good 3-5 years to figure out the trenches before we win anything significant.

wjile I agree w you in clarke, if he didn’t show results within 3 years we’d be firing him too. We treat the college team like a pfo team not realizing you need time w the right coach

 

[NC_Canes_11]

wjile I agree w you in clarke, if he didn’t show results within 3 years we’d be firing him too. We treat the college team like a pfo team not realizing you need time w the right coach

That was the plan. At least after his 3 years the chain and the clown culture would’ve been gone

 

[SayWhat]

FSU's athletic department is having major financial issues. My guess is that is the reason for their low ranking.

Richt got a big contract when he signed here (slightly more than he got at UGA), and his assistants were paid well. Cristobal was one of the lower-paid P5 coaches until he signed his extension. A lot of this depends on the coach and the timing.

FSU has the pockets to pony up the cash when and if they need to. Their athletic department issues, largely stem from the lost revenue of fans in seats during the pandemic with all the Covid protocols. They reduced capacity to 24 percent and never even reached capacity 19k and some change during that time.

Richt wanted his assistants paid more at Georgia. He eventually paid some out of pocket. One thing he wasn't, was greedy. Man could've been paid more elsewhere, but was a loyal man through and through. We paid well for him to come out of retirement and coaching salaries had gone up.

Sure, timing and who it is most definitely factors in. We've gone cheap though and somewhere along the line if we has the resources and will to pay big time, you'd think someone would bite or show interest out there.

 

[TC@ne]

This isn’t about success. They hired Kiffin, Sark and the dude from FGCCU for basketball. Idk about baseball.

The point is we’ve hired and kept a dude who needed to retire three season ago at basketball. The HC of the baskeball program’s mommy and daddy sit on the BOT. And we have bargain bin shopped for years with the football program. USC may have made some terrible hires. But they go after legit coaches.

You could use this as an argument against USC as well. They hire big name coaches and still have been flailing. Maybe it’s not as easy a job as we thought?

And their recruits have gotten a lot more comfortable leaving the area recently just like SoFlo recruits.

 

[Canedude08]

Best thing about LSU job?

Entire state cares about the Tigahs

Worse thing(s) about LSU job?

Entire state cares about the Tigahs and Louisianians are bat**** crazy (e.g. no other high-resource program would've hired Coach Orangutan in 2016 nor would any other fire a favorite son two years after he won a National Championship with the best team in school history).

I’d say we’re right on par with West VA, Syracuse, Cal & Colorado in terms of attractiveness of the job.

Miami is not the program it was 20 years ago, we used to be a top 5-10 job in college football, now we’re in the middle of the pack & with the lack of effort put forth by our BOT it can be argued that even G5 schools like Cincinnati, SMU, BYU & San Diego St are better jobs than Miami right now.

The recruiting angle is really oversold, simply due to the fact none of the elite local recruits ever come here anyway, so just because we’re located in a hot zone for great athletes doesn’t really make our program that much more attractive to legit HC’s considering they can still get the South FL athletes where they already are without having to Coach here.

Miami has the potential to be a great job, but the reality is our Admin/BOT don’t care about Football & have essentially thrown 2 decades worth of water over the fire of what used to be Miami at it’s pinnacle.

Miami has NEVER been a top 5 job. EVER. Why? Because the top jobs are ones in which you don't have any obstacles. Miami is and will always be a small private school with a shallow donor pool and a fanbase that is cheap as **** and will turn on you in a heartbeat. This is also a school in which you have academic standards, a school that won't allow the athletic department to run the entire institution. This is also a place where the media isn't beholden to the University. For a lot of coaches, they don't want to deal with that stuff.

Miami is a great job for a certain type of person. Someone that wants to have a pro job at the college level, someone that is looking to win big, win fast and then head to the NFL. That's why the guys that have won at Miami have ended up in the NFL right afterwards. You have to have a level of arrogance to win at Miami, an ability to say "I'm going to win, and I'm going to do it in an environment where I don't have every single advantage at my disposal".

 

[Canedude08]

The Athletic polled over 100 coaches and ADs. Miami was voted the 13th best job in the nation. LSU and USC were ahead of Miami, but none of the other jobs are coming available any time soon.

That is the most accurate gauge of where we are. Full Top 15:

1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Georgia
4. Texas
5. LSU
6. USC
7. Clemson
8. Oklahoma
9. Notre Dame
10. Florida
11. Michigan
12. Texas A&M
13. Miami
14. Oregon
15. FSU

That's about right, although Oregon thanks to Nike money is a better job. Miami is the kind of job that the right person does well, but it isn't a job for the typical coach.

 

[aelmiami]

Which is why it needs to be an established guy who has proven they can win. You can give a guy like that a couple years. But when you hire a first time coach, there is no proof. It’s easier to say this isn’t it, when there zero track record.

I’m 100% on the Mario train. I’m not naive and think he’s a perfect game day coach. But he coaches hard nosed, disciplined football. He’s a monster recruiter and you know he’d give his all to this job.

 

[aelmiami]

You could use this as an argument against USC as well. They hire big name coaches and still have been flailing. Maybe it’s not as easy a job as we thought?

And their recruits have gotten a lot more comfortable leaving the area recently just like SoFlo recruits.

My initial point was more if Miami committed the money and resources USC did Miami would be top 5. They don’t hence the 13th ranking. USC isn’t an easy job. But Helton showed you can win their. I’d imagine if they hired Franklin they’d probably win 10 games per year minimum. Not immediately but his recruitment and coaching gets them there.

Miami has shown no desire to be successful so they wouldn’t even in the conversation with Franklin or Fickell probably.

 

[Canedude08]

My initial point was more if Miami committed the money and resources USC did Miami would be top 5. They don’t hence the 13th ranking. USC isn’t an easy job. But Helton showed you can win their. I’d imagine if they hired Franklin they’d probably win 10 games per year minimum. Not immediately but his recruitment and coaching gets them there.

Miami has shown no desire to be successful so they wouldn’t even in the conversation with Franklin or Fickell probably.

USC has a significantly larger donor pool, they can dedicate resources, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEEP, DIVERSE DONOR POOL. USC is a private school, that has the demographics and resources of a state school. That's something Miami doesn't, nor will ever have. USC alumni DOMINATE SoCal, they run everything from the media, to the political power structure. USC is urban Alabama. That's what they are. Like Alabama(Pre Saban), USC relied too much on tradition and making "USC Guy" hires, especially at AD. They had a former football letterwinner, with little managerial experience as AD for the better part of 3 decades(Garrett, Haden, Swann), Bohn is the first actual administrator to run that department in seemingly forever.

 

[aelmiami]

USC has a significantly larger donor pool, they can dedicate resources, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEEP, DIVERSE DONOR POOL. USC is a private school, that has the demographics and resources of a state school. That's something Miami doesn't, nor will ever have. USC alumni DOMINATE SoCal, they run everything from the media, to the political power structure. USC is urban Alabama. That's what they are. Like Alabama(Pre Saban), USC relied too much on tradition and making "USC Guy" hires, especially at AD. They had a former football letterwinner, with little managerial experience as AD for the better part of 3 decades(Garrett, Haden, Swann), Bohn is the first actual administrator to run that department in seemingly forever.

They definitely have better support. But Miami can make the financial to commitment to being successful. They’ll never rivals the Alabama and Texas’s of the world. The problem is Miami is making the bare minimum commitment. That’s my biggest issue. There’s no reason Miami can’t pay a coach $5-$6 million per year. I get not paying a coach $10 million. But there needs to be a larger commitment.