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LuCane said:
Nice summary.

I'd only add, merely for the record, that I'm out on this version of the defense. I'm unclear as to what you mean by "revolutionary" changes, but I think we need something closer to significant changes than "tinkering." At various points, I've been a Manny supporter (a change to a more upfield scheme simply made sense to me) or, on the other hand, someone who's called out different things (hype over substance, for example). At a more granular level, I was hopeful Manny could evolve his defensive approach from Year 1 and 2 here. It was an improvement over a completely nonsensical college football approach from D'Onofrio.

But, I waited for more evolution. Less madness. More trust on well-evaluated defensive players. As I've said elsewhere, the data is in. It's not good enough. This defense is too frail to get us to where we want to go - even if that's merely the ACC Championship consistently. We can beat up on X, Y, but *under its current form* will fall apart against Z. For various reasons.

So, while tons of news comes in during what's likely to be the most insane college football offseason in forever, I'll wait for data points that our defensive approach will be different and more sound.
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Lu, miss you posting more, you are one of the more knowledgeable guys on this site and I completely agree with you on this. Manny's system is broken and for this team to have any long term success he needs to turn the keys for the defense over to a new proven DC and let him run his scheme. If he doesn't this team will never be more than an 8-9 win team at best and will routinely get embarrassed by quality opponents.
 
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AllAboutTheU said:
Best Kicker and Punter. Our units as a whole weren’t great. Gave up return for TD, constantly penalized on kickoff returns (and didn’t break any the entire year), plus we couldn’t find ONE guy on the roster who could consistently CATCH them. Let’s not confuse excellent specialists with great units.
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100%
 
MikeCane18 said:
Is Manny the type of guy that will bench underperformers as you elude to? Most on this board see those players still trot out there when the most important part of the week is live on TV, but nothing changes. The same tired "We had a great week of practice" verbiage gets used. Manny is a guy that showed he's not afraid to make changes in the offseason, I just wish he would do that during the season when players are making the same mistakes on actual game film, in crucial situations. It's beyond overdue.
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Definitely. No on the fly adjustments...
 
DMoney said:
We have speed. Wiggins and Pope can run plenty. We need playmakers.
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Wiggins and pope suck, they have speed in 7 on 7 setting or camps.. Pope cant even turn corner on reverse against midwest team.. We will still trot them out vs. Bama after offseason championship..

This magical speed we have of 4.4 players cant do **** against anybody.. I think you overestimate our players big time, OSU had a freshman wr with one catch all season cutting our *** up..
 
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DMoney said:
We are usually a few plays away from a better record instead of a worse record. So winning those games is a modest improvement.
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considering the degree of upgrade in talent at some positions we had this year, I think expecting more than just a modest improvement is reasonable. 3 all americans and a top QB and we still lose 3 games... smh this is an all out clown show
 
DMoney said:
The good news is we made modest improvements. We went from below-average to fringe Top 25, and we did so without earning Manny an undeserved extension. The second part is key.

The bad news is that, once we fixed the offense and kicking game, our defense collapsed. This program can’t get all three rolling at the same time. Ranked teams exposed us.

The worst news is that D’Eriq King—who has done everything right and overcome so much—has to deal with an extended rehab. It sucks.

Now we enter what promises to be an insane offseason. The onetime transfer rule will change everything. I also expect significant defensive staff changes. Since Manny isn’t going anywhere this year, what does Miami need to do over the next eight months to move forward?

- Manny’s first order of business is honestly evaluating the defense. The numbers don’t lie. Manny inherited a defense that was 92nd in yards per play. They jumped to 16th his first year, followed by three Top 10 finishes. This year, they finished 58th and got demolished by good teams. Did offenses catch up to Manny’s system? Did his bad evaluations at LB catch up to him? Did he hire the wrong DC? Whatever happened, it falls on Manny.

With that said, I’d be hesitant to make revolutionary changes. Manny’s core principles (one-gap, simple enough to play fast) had us playing the best defense we’ve played in 15 years. But we need fresh veteran eyes, preferably with experience in big-boy football. You can’t be surrounded exclusively by coaches you trained. Manny has a non-football background and came to prominence because of his defense. It's part of his identity. But he’s also a realist and a politician's son. Another year like that on defense gets him fired.

- The next issue is QB. If King is facing an 8-month rehab, it complicates things. Kosi has been a stand-up dude. He deserves an opportunity to lead his own team. I would be honest and tell him that King will start whenever he comes back. That likely leads to a transfer. TVD and Garcia would then battle it out and possibly start the four non-conference games. Realistic scenario, you enter ACC play 3-1 with a healthy King and better clarity about your QB of the future.

- Miami used to be the gold standard at WR. Now the position is more important than ever, and we stink. This message board did a better job evaluating Elijah Moore, a first-team All American, than our coaches did. We can’t make the same mistakes evaluating our own team. We are past the point of rebuilding confidence. Wiggins and Pope aren’t it. It’s time for ruthless competition, including Romello Brinson and Jacolby George.

- Don’t be shy in the Portal. Yes, you need to build the foundation through recruiting. There is already a Top 10 class in the can. But the onetime transfer rule will create a feeding frenzy, and Miami has enough of a track record to pursue the best of the best. This year showed we aren’t fast enough or physical enough on defense. Forget scheme- who was our tone-setter? Any difference-makers in the Portal should get our full attention.

- The word is out about DE DeAndre Johnson from Tennessee. He already has Day 3 draft grades from scouts and is strong against the run and pass. He will help with some of our edge-setting issues. The next target is a CB with size and speed. There are no shortcuts at that position: we’ve complained about big and slow CBs, but we saw a smaller CB in Couch get bullied against Okie State. If the name I’ve heard comes to fruition, we will be happy. We also need a new coach recruiting the position.

- Wish some players well in future endeavors. Age is good, but there needs to be a standard of athleticism on defense. I don't need to name names, but we know who is lacking. Recruits like James Williams and Leonard Taylor start as freshmen at Clemson and Alabama. They shouldn't need to wait here.

- Evaluate the evaluators. People are complaining about South Florida players, but 7 of them made All-American teams. We didn't recruit 6 of them: Elijah Moore, Nik Bonitto, James Wiggins, Tiawun Mullen, Rashad Weaver and Jose Borregales (out of HS). Manny needs to figure out why we missed on those guys and what lessons we can learn.

Overall, we need to move past 2019. That nightmare season has been erased by this year's modest improvements. Don't treat the '21 team like an abused puppy. Raise expectations, trust your recruiting and don't hesitate to bench anybody that can't help us beat Clemson. If they're unhappy, they can leave.

This program has been irrelevant for more than a decade, and we're getting old. It's not enough to improve on a team that lost to FIU. Next year is make-or-break. Get well D'Eriq King and Go Canes.
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"- Evaluate the evaluators. People are complaining about South Florida players, but 7 of them made All-American teams. We didn't recruit 6 of them: Elijah Moore, Nik Bonitto, James Wiggins, Tiawun Mullen, Rashad Weaver and Jose Borregales (out of HS). Manny needs to figure out why we missed on those guys and what lessons we can learn."

This is the part that always gets me.

It's one thing to lose out to Bama and Clemson and Ohio State on local blue-chippers. That's about the program not being where we want it to be.
It's another thing completely when we make numerous evaluation mistakes on the other local kids. That's about the evaluators not being who they need to be.

You're local. You should be able to see more of these kids, learn more about them from those around them and have a better handle on who and what they can be than some coaches hundreds of miles away who are most looking at Hudl highlights and/or 247 rankings.

The latter is much worse to me.
 
skyman said:
Wiggins and pope suck, they have speed in 7 on 7 setting or camps.. Pope cant even turn corner on reverse against midwest team.. We will still trot them out vs. Bama after offseason championship..

This magical speed we have of 4.4 players cant do **** against anybody.. I think you overestimate our players big time, OSU had a freshman wr with one catch all season cutting our *** up..
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I agree. They are not good. We need better receivers. But I’m not sure speed is the issue.
 
DMoney said:
We are usually a few plays away from a better record. So actually winning those games is a modest improvement.
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also, since were talking about a fringe top 25 team, most of those teams are a few plays away from being unbeaten to being below average. its how that works esp after the top 4 or 5
 
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JackOAT said:
considering the degree of upgrade in talent at some positions we had this year, I think expecting more than just a modest improvement is reasonable. 3 all americans and a top QB and we still lose 3 games... smh this is an all out clown show
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we had some upgrades in talent (QB, Kicker, DE is debatable bc you lost GR but gained Phillips) but also saw some SERIOUS lack of talent at CB, WR, and LB.
 
DMoney said:
The good news is we made modest improvements. We went from below-average to fringe Top 25, and we did so without earning Manny an undeserved extension. The second part is key.

The bad news is that, once we fixed the offense and kicking game, our defense collapsed. This program can’t get all three rolling at the same time. Ranked teams exposed us.

The worst news is that D’Eriq King—who has done everything right and overcome so much—has to deal with an extended rehab. It sucks.

Now we enter what promises to be an insane offseason. The onetime transfer rule will change everything. I also expect significant defensive staff changes. Since Manny isn’t going anywhere this year, what does Miami need to do over the next eight months to move forward?

- Manny’s first order of business is honestly evaluating the defense. The numbers don’t lie. Manny inherited a defense that was 92nd in yards per play. They jumped to 16th his first year, followed by three Top 10 finishes. This year, they finished 58th and got demolished by good teams. Did offenses catch up to Manny’s system? Did his bad evaluations at LB catch up to him? Did he hire the wrong DC? Whatever happened, it falls on Manny.

With that said, I’d be hesitant to make revolutionary changes. Manny’s core principles (one-gap, simple enough to play fast) had us playing the best defense we’ve played in 15 years. But we need fresh veteran eyes, preferably with experience in big-boy football. You can’t be surrounded exclusively by coaches you trained. Manny has a non-football background and came to prominence because of his defense. It's part of his identity. But he’s also a realist and a politician's son. Another year like that on defense gets him fired.

- The next issue is QB. If King is facing an 8-month rehab, it complicates things. Kosi has been a stand-up dude. He deserves an opportunity to lead his own team. I would be honest and tell him that King will start whenever he comes back. That likely leads to a transfer. TVD and Garcia would then battle it out and possibly start the four non-conference games. Realistic scenario, you enter ACC play 3-1 with a healthy King and better clarity about your QB of the future.

- Miami used to be the gold standard at WR. Now the position is more important than ever, and we stink. This message board did a better job evaluating Elijah Moore, a first-team All American, than our coaches did. We can’t make the same mistakes evaluating our own team. We are past the point of rebuilding confidence. Wiggins and Pope aren’t it. It’s time for ruthless competition, including Romello Brinson and Jacolby George.

- Don’t be shy in the Portal. Yes, you need to build the foundation through recruiting. There is already a Top 10 class in the can. But the onetime transfer rule will create a feeding frenzy, and Miami has enough of a track record to pursue the best of the best. This year showed we aren’t fast enough or physical enough on defense. Forget scheme- who was our tone-setter? Any difference-makers in the Portal should get our full attention.

- The word is out about DE DeAndre Johnson from Tennessee. He already has Day 3 draft grades from scouts and is strong against the run and pass. He will help with some of our edge-setting issues. The next target is a CB with size and speed. There are no shortcuts at that position: we’ve complained about big and slow CBs, but we saw a smaller CB in Couch get bullied against Okie State. If the name I’ve heard comes to fruition, we will be happy. We also need a new coach recruiting the position.

- Wish some players well in future endeavors. Age is good, but there needs to be a standard of athleticism on defense. I don't need to name names, but we know who is lacking. Recruits like James Williams and Leonard Taylor start as freshmen at Clemson and Alabama. They shouldn't need to wait here.

- Evaluate the evaluators. People are complaining about South Florida players, but 7 of them made All-American teams. We didn't recruit 6 of them: Elijah Moore, Nik Bonitto, James Wiggins, Tiawun Mullen, Rashad Weaver and Jose Borregales (out of HS). Manny needs to figure out why we missed on those guys and what lessons we can learn.

Overall, we need to move past 2019. That nightmare season has been erased by this year's modest improvements. Don't treat the '21 team like an abused puppy. Raise expectations, trust your recruiting and don't hesitate to bench anybody that can't help us beat Clemson. If they're unhappy, they can leave.

This program has been irrelevant for more than a decade, and we're getting old. It's not enough to improve on a team that lost to FIU. Next year is make-or-break. Get well D'Eriq King and Go Canes.
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holy **** Bonito made AA? Fuq I wanted that kid man and Moore, **** Im better then these coaches in evals and they get paid for that ****.
 
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LustNCanes said:
Without King we only win uab, fsu, duke
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the issue I have with doing is that you could use that for most teams around the country. without Xs best player, they'd be trash. no ****, but you have him and hes part of your team. you cant take away credit for actually winning games if the coach went out and got the kid here beating out other schools and hired an OC to overhaul the O. its part of his job as a coach to do those things. he needs to go back and do the same with the defense
 
DMoney said:
The good news is we made modest improvements. We went from below-average to fringe Top 25, and we did so without earning Manny an undeserved extension. The second part is key.

The bad news is that, once we fixed the offense and kicking game, our defense collapsed. This program can’t get all three rolling at the same time. Ranked teams exposed us.

The worst news is that D’Eriq King—who has done everything right and overcome so much—has to deal with an extended rehab. It sucks.

Now we enter what promises to be an insane offseason. The onetime transfer rule will change everything. I also expect significant defensive staff changes. Since Manny isn’t going anywhere this year, what does Miami need to do over the next eight months to move forward?

- Manny’s first order of business is honestly evaluating the defense. The numbers don’t lie. Manny inherited a defense that was 92nd in yards per play. They jumped to 16th his first year, followed by three Top 10 finishes. This year, they finished 58th and got demolished by good teams. Did offenses catch up to Manny’s system? Did his bad evaluations at LB catch up to him? Did he hire the wrong DC? Whatever happened, it falls on Manny.

With that said, I’d be hesitant to make revolutionary changes. Manny’s core principles (one-gap, simple enough to play fast) had us playing the best defense we’ve played in 15 years. But we need fresh veteran eyes, preferably with experience in big-boy football. You can’t be surrounded exclusively by coaches you trained. Manny has a non-football background and came to prominence because of his defense. It's part of his identity. But he’s also a realist and a politician's son. Another year like that on defense gets him fired.

- The next issue is QB. If King is facing an 8-month rehab, it complicates things. Kosi has been a stand-up dude. He deserves an opportunity to lead his own team. I would be honest and tell him that King will start whenever he comes back. That likely leads to a transfer. TVD and Garcia would then battle it out and possibly start the four non-conference games. Realistic scenario, you enter ACC play 3-1 with a healthy King and better clarity about your QB of the future.

- Miami used to be the gold standard at WR. Now the position is more important than ever, and we stink. This message board did a better job evaluating Elijah Moore, a first-team All American, than our coaches did. We can’t make the same mistakes evaluating our own team. We are past the point of rebuilding confidence. Wiggins and Pope aren’t it. It’s time for ruthless competition, including Romello Brinson and Jacolby George.

- Don’t be shy in the Portal. Yes, you need to build the foundation through recruiting. There is already a Top 10 class in the can. But the onetime transfer rule will create a feeding frenzy, and Miami has enough of a track record to pursue the best of the best. This year showed we aren’t fast enough or physical enough on defense. Forget scheme- who was our tone-setter? Any difference-makers in the Portal should get our full attention.

- The word is out about DE DeAndre Johnson from Tennessee. He already has Day 3 draft grades from scouts and is strong against the run and pass. He will help with some of our edge-setting issues. The next target is a CB with size and speed. There are no shortcuts at that position: we’ve complained about big and slow CBs, but we saw a smaller CB in Couch get bullied against Okie State. If the name I’ve heard comes to fruition, we will be happy. We also need a new coach recruiting the position.

- Wish some players well in future endeavors. Age is good, but there needs to be a standard of athleticism on defense. I don't need to name names, but we know who is lacking. Recruits like James Williams and Leonard Taylor start as freshmen at Clemson and Alabama. They shouldn't need to wait here.

- Evaluate the evaluators. People are complaining about South Florida players, but 7 of them made All-American teams. We didn't recruit 6 of them: Elijah Moore, Nik Bonitto, James Wiggins, Tiawun Mullen, Rashad Weaver and Jose Borregales (out of HS). Manny needs to figure out why we missed on those guys and what lessons we can learn.

Overall, we need to move past 2019. That nightmare season has been erased by this year's modest improvements. Don't treat the '21 team like an abused puppy. Raise expectations, trust your recruiting and don't hesitate to bench anybody that can't help us beat Clemson. If they're unhappy, they can leave.

This program has been irrelevant for more than a decade, and we're getting old. It's not enough to improve on a team that lost to FIU. Next year is make-or-break. Get well D'Eriq King and Go Canes.
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