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What Manny Diaz has cost UM

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RightSaidFred said:
Butch was a GREAT coach, and 2001 Butch is exactly what this program needs today. He has no bigger fan than me.

Not hiring Butch back in the past is the biggest mistake this program has ever made, and there have been some whoppers.

But he’s too **** old now. Plain and simple. That ship sailed.
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Well, if Butch is too old - Saban - who is the exact same age as Butch is also too old.

So you're saying Saban is too old to be doing what he's doing?
 
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SWFLHurricane said:
He's content....Did he want to come back at one time??...Absolutely...but not now...he still Loves UM and the time he had here....What ****es me off to no end is he had an ELITE staff ready to come with him from 2013-2017...but to no avail. Butch doesn't owe UM one single thing...As I've said before...this site wouldn't exist if not for his exploits...
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Give us some names of that potential staff. Cmon man, just a nibble.
 
RightSaidFred said:
It’s one thing to maintain a well-oiled machine, it’s another thing to rebuild one from scratch.

Miami is a rebuild. Whoever takes this job is gonna have to have a fire under their ***. Butch 20 years ago would crush it. Geriatric Butch, maybe not.
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Only two UM coaches have done that.

Schnellenberger started from scratch - took him five years - but he did a spectacular job.

Handed his team to Jimmy. Who handed his team to Erickson.

Butch came in and started again - from scratch. Did another spectacular job - assembling the greatest college football team - EVER.

It's damned easy to sling rocks and things against the windows - but that's not providing a proven solution - why would you again roll the dice with yet another unknown - when we have a proven shooter - and have him take the shot.

I don't rely on off-brand, untested firearms in the wild country. I want something that works - is proven - and addressed my immediate need exactly - and will meet my long-term needs.

II don't like generators by unknown companies to take into the wild for expeditions. I don't like unknown vehicles to take me into the wild - as what I take isn't to get me THERE - it's to get me BACK.

We've had two program builders. One is right down the street. And even since he left - he's outcoached the losers UM has hired - time and again.
 
RightSaidFred said:
Man I would never fight Butch, he’s a hero of mine and one of the greatest Canes of all time.

It’s no disrespect to say that an old man is old. Rebuilding a program this ****ed up is gonna take a lot of energy. A lot more than ole Nick Saban who is just coasting off his past work at this point.
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You call that "coasting?"

Share your ideal candidate -

proven, mind you - proven program builder - stellar talent evaluator - stellar recruiter - talent stacker - talent developer - strict disciplinarian - confidence builder - and doesn't break the First Rule of Bullshi**ing. "Never start believing your own bullsh**."

Mack Brown is a young 70 - and he's making some much younger coaches look like ***.

Nick Saban put his LSU team together, won a National Championship - and it was Nick Saban's team that handed Les Miles HIS National Championship.

I'll take proven experience over flash and gold chains/Orange ties/Hand Clapping/BS nine days a week - as the percentages are just THERE.
 
UMFarArcher said:
You call that "coasting?"

Share your ideal candidate -

proven, mind you - proven program builder - stellar talent evaluator - stellar recruiter - talent stacker - talent developer - strict disciplinarian - confidence builder - and doesn't break the First Rule of Bullshi**ing. "Never start believing your own bullsh**."

Mack Brown is a young 70 - and he's making some much younger coaches look like ***.

Nick Saban put his LSU team together, won a National Championship - and it was Nick Saban's team that handed Les Miles HIS National Championship.

I'll take proven experience over flash and gold chains/Orange ties/Hand Clapping/BS nine days a week - as the percentages are just THERE.
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I want an NFL coach. I agree with Colin Cowherd. Call Doug Pederson, Anthony Lynn or Matt Nagy. Doug Marrone. Bill O’Brien.

I like Mario as well.

Butch IS an NFL coach. He ticks all the boxes for me except will he have the energy that he once did.
 
UMFarArcher said:
We've had NFL-grade Head Coaches. Schnellenberger, Johnson, Erickson, Davis.

One's passed away, JJ is done with coaching, Erickson is out - but the one that worked under JJ, evaluated and recruited wide open for JJ, who's team was handed over to Erickson - is Butch.

He somehow managed to beat UM while building a team at UNC, and while at FIU - managed to outcoach and win as well. With inferior talent and players.

Same exact age as Saban - and he's proven himself at UM already.

He's a disciplinarian - I thought once he was going to strangle Sebastian in the end zone. Players respected him, he coached them up, developed them, and they were in essence - self motivated and self disciplined - ask Ed Reed. Clappy didn't coach.

Butch assembled the greatest college football team of all time.

I'd ask him what he needs - $$$ to assemble top coordinators. He can do the rest. If given a bit of time before the end-of-season coaching firings and scrambles - along with recruit confusion - he could hit the ground running and maintain a really good recruiting class with "I've been there, and I've done that, and I'll do it again - just need you. I recruited and developed the best college team ever assembled - fact. You come to UM, and you'll be a National Championship contender - I guarantee - and you'll be best prepared for the NFL by the time you leave."

Mac at UNC did well, went away to Texas - that was a disaster - and he returned to UNC - where he's done very well.

Some people belong in certain environments. Butch can take South Florida talent and gives it discipline and development to create a powerful team and build up the program in the process.

Or we can take another WAG.

Wild-Assed-Guess. Which hasn't worked out so well.
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Don't know what happened in 2000-1, Miami will Never hire him...
 
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ThomasM said:
Remember that time some of us said we needed a good coach, not just one that can relate to players? Remember how we were told Manny would kill it here because he knows UM and he'll recruit well? Forget that he can't coach teams up, he would bring in talent to win at a high level, because ****, even Larry Coker did that! Problem is, Larry Coker inherited a team that was full of men coached by Butch Davis for years. We were told Miami needed a Miami guy, because the young men down here need a Miami guy to show them what Miami was all about, and some boring old dude just can't relate to these kids down here.

I'll say it again, and maybe this time people will get it through their orange and green skulls. We need a proven coach that can instil discipline and fundamentals. I don't care if he's 68 years old and from Iowa. I don't care if the "kids" can relate to him. ****, I hope they can't! Why? Because I don't want them comfortable. I don't want them all buddy buddy with the coach. I don't want them to be able to relate to a man who is vastly more mature and experienced than them. I want them to RESPECT him. I want them to FEAR him. I want them to LEARN from him. So please, for the love of God, let's forget everything we've been fed about "relating to kids". F that.
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Relating to kids is overrated anyway. Have you heard a nba young boy song?
 
SWFLHurricane said:
He's content....Did he want to come back at one time??...Absolutely...but not now...he still Loves UM and the time he had here....What ****es me off to no end is he had an ELITE staff ready to come with him from 2013-2017...but to no avail. Butch doesn't owe UM one single thing...As I've said before...this site wouldn't exist if not for his exploits...
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ask the Butch-haters to name EVEN ONE other coach that could have done what Butch did to not only save the Miami football program through
sanctions in the 90s, but he built the best college team EVER and another NC (should have been at least 3)

make no mistake about this ---- the sanctions that the NCAA imposed on Miami were supposed to kill the program and would have killed
any other program or if Miami would have had any other coach ..... Butch performed a miracle ! THATS A FACT !
 
UMFarArcher said:
We've had NFL-grade Head Coaches. Schnellenberger, Johnson, Erickson, Davis.

One's passed away, JJ is done with coaching, Erickson is out - but the one that worked under JJ, evaluated and recruited wide open for JJ, who's team was handed over to Erickson - is Butch.

He somehow managed to beat UM while building a team at UNC, and while at FIU - managed to outcoach and win as well. With inferior talent and players.

Same exact age as Saban - and he's proven himself at UM already.

He's a disciplinarian - I thought once he was going to strangle Sebastian in the end zone. Players respected him, he coached them up, developed them, and they were in essence - self motivated and self disciplined - ask Ed Reed. Clappy didn't coach.

Butch assembled the greatest college football team of all time.

I'd ask him what he needs - $$$ to assemble top coordinators. He can do the rest. If given a bit of time before the end-of-season coaching firings and scrambles - along with recruit confusion - he could hit the ground running and maintain a really good recruiting class with "I've been there, and I've done that, and I'll do it again - just need you. I recruited and developed the best college team ever assembled - fact. You come to UM, and you'll be a National Championship contender - I guarantee - and you'll be best prepared for the NFL by the time you leave."

Mac at UNC did well, went away to Texas - that was a disaster - and he returned to UNC - where he's done very well.

Some people belong in certain environments. Butch can take South Florida talent and gives it discipline and development to create a powerful team and build up the program in the process.

Or we can take another WAG.

Wild-Assed-Guess. Which hasn't worked out so well.
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I'm a huge Butch fan, but I think the last real chance to get him and for it to be effective was when Richt was hired. Right now, if we don't get a hot name, people will be flying the banner before the next guy even starts.
 
UMFarArcher said:
We've had NFL-grade Head Coaches. Schnellenberger, Johnson, Erickson, Davis.

One's passed away, JJ is done with coaching, Erickson is out - but the one that worked under JJ, evaluated and recruited wide open for JJ, who's team was handed over to Erickson - is Butch.

He somehow managed to beat UM while building a team at UNC, and while at FIU - managed to outcoach and win as well. With inferior talent and players.

Same exact age as Saban - and he's proven himself at UM already.

He's a disciplinarian - I thought once he was going to strangle Sebastian in the end zone. Players respected him, he coached them up, developed them, and they were in essence - self motivated and self disciplined - ask Ed Reed. Clappy didn't coach.

Butch assembled the greatest college football team of all time.

I'd ask him what he needs - $$$ to assemble top coordinators. He can do the rest. If given a bit of time before the end-of-season coaching firings and scrambles - along with recruit confusion - he could hit the ground running and maintain a really good recruiting class with "I've been there, and I've done that, and I'll do it again - just need you. I recruited and developed the best college team ever assembled - fact. You come to UM, and you'll be a National Championship contender - I guarantee - and you'll be best prepared for the NFL by the time you leave."

Mac at UNC did well, went away to Texas - that was a disaster - and he returned to UNC - where he's done very well.

Some people belong in certain environments. Butch can take South Florida talent and gives it discipline and development to create a powerful team and build up the program in the process.

Or we can take another WAG.

Wild-Assed-Guess. Which hasn't worked out so well.
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Here We Go Again GIF


Same porsters with the same schtick.
 
chrisRMNU said:
Where is this 10 mil number coming from? Saban doesn't even make that much money, although it's not far off. I will say however, there is hidden money lost in making the Diaz hire and not Mario. We could have had Mario at around $4 mil back in 2019, but now that number is certainly higher. Who would have known that bad hires end up costing more than good hires.
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8 million of it is just his buyout.
 
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For the Butch Boys, I’d listen to @SWFLHurricane - I’m sure Butch is happy as is right now like he said - but to bring it current, Mario to me has a lot of traits similar to Butch. Not necessarily the top game day coach but he’s a disciplinarian who can evaluate talent, recruit and develop but also seems to be able to evaluate coaching staff and make good hires.
 
RVACane said:
For the Butch Boys, I’d listen to @SWFLHurricane - I’m sure Butch is happy as is right now like he said - but to bring it current, Mario to me has a lot of traits similar to Butch. Not necessarily the top game day coach but he’s a disciplinarian who can evaluate talent, recruit and develop but also seems to be able to evaluate coaching staff and make good hires.
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Butch wasn't a great game day coach either, but we still won
 
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