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Fwiw Jermaine Grace is the exact kind of kid that usually ends up at a Louisville & absolutely kills it.

Skai Moore. James Burgess Jr. Gionni Paul. The list goes on forever.

 

[jjacks93]

So why has it taken four years to correct freelancing, if that is indeed the problem ?


There's always a new excuse.

 

[Fountain of Canes]

CRAP IS THIS???

"Nebraska week, we were kind of off," linebacker Jermaine Grace said. "It was just more of guys trying to make plays and our defense isn't made for everybody to make a play. It's made for everyone to do their job and one or two guys be there to make the play …They had a good running back, a good quarterback and plenty of receivers, so everybody tried to be Superman and tried to make plays. That couldn't happen against Nebraska. You've got to be focused and you have to be focused in on doing your job and your assignment."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...m-duke-football-0925-20140924,0,6085472.story

How can you predetermine what guys are going to make tackles???? you have to adjust to what they are doing. its call a defense for a reason. defending what the offense is throwing at you? not call plays so that Denzel can make a tackle. what type of crap

in all fairness I think he is saying the same thing as denzel said...there were too many guys freelancing. not debating the scheme or whether that is right or wrong but either our guys aren't good enough to freelance or the scheme doesn't allow for it. that is my interpretation.

Then as a coach you need to change your scheme. we see time and time again a coach unwilling to change the way they do things and it ultimately ends up them being fired. if Golden wants to get fired by all means keep doing what your doing.there is no reason 5 star Chad Thomas is not playing lights out, No Reason 4 star Rapheal Kirby should look lost all the time. your players are not getting it so you move to something else. No Reason for your QB of the defense Crawford and Denzel to look absolutely lost. Guys are breaking off because they dont know what they are doing. when audible are called at the line for offenses, what do the players do? nothing, because they dont know what to do but do whats called and when it doesnt work they try to make plays and miss. yes they need to wrap up better but they are consistently at bad angles all the time.

Golden is just stubborn and maybe doesnt know any other defense. let me put an excerpt from a coach who has won a NC and went undefeated more then once.

At the end of last season, the pass defense was singled out in losses in the Big Ten championship game and the Orange Bowl that ended all the goodwill built up over the course of a 24-game winning streak. With a line in place that has been rated as one of the best in the nation, Meyer turned to Ash to design and inspire a defense that would challenge every pass this season.

Urban Meyer said yesterday that he was done being patient with Ohio State’s overhauled defense.

“Enough with the getting close,” Meyer said during his weekly call-in show on 97.1 The Fan. “It’s time to be a great defense.”


We will never hear Golden say that.

he just says we don't execute and 6 seconds at a time. he says we are not going to change anything and we must make this work. its insane and i dont understand his philosophy.

 

[AUcane]

So our defense is designed for every man to hold up their blocker so that 1-2 guys can miraculously be in the right position to make a tackle? This defense is awful.

 

[JHallCanes]

I agree a defense is a complex machine...each cog has turn in the right direction at the right time in order for the machine to function properly...the pitch is the perfect example... it is somebody's job to get QB somebody's job to get the RB...If the hero that suppose to get the RB decide he wants to make a kill shot on national tv on the QB ...he has just corrupted the system and the RB is going down field like a bat out of ****...its a hard thin line sometimes the players instinct to make a play overide his actions to be a cog...

That line you speak of is the one that allows a victory over Georgia Tech or allows you to give up 600 yards rushing to them as Canes fans saw firsthand

 

[DFT31J]

God forbid we let our defenders try to make a play! That never works.

It's much better to simply focus on occupying a blocker.... or stand 7 yards off the line of scrimmage allowing the linemen to get a running start at blocking you....or stand 10-15 yards off the line of scrimmage and let the running back get to full speed before you try to tackle him. These techniques work especially well if the offense you are playing intends the run the ball 50 plus times.

Passive defensive philosophy is the solution. We just had too many players trying to be aggressive against Nebraska in order for our defensive scheme to work.

Makes sense.

 

[bigsonnyu]

The system Dorito is running is predicated on gap assignments against the run. No D wants everyone to 'hold the fort' until the ball carrier attempts to enter an individual's gap up front. Problem is, it places alot of pressure on LB's to get off their blocks quickly if the D'Linemen doesn't require a double team, and it also requires the Safety's to read Run vs Pass extremely quickly, instead of staying focused on securing the pass.

Then.....Couple runs that requires the Safety's to make the stop, will eventually result in a playaction call; and the ball going over the Safety's head.

Any formidably stong OL will exploit this domino effect against Dorito's defensive philosophy... It too much pressure on the player to be stronger than his opponent at every position, but it's a fundamental problem when the OC knows this, and can scheme against it, especially when you DONT have beasts across the board.

When you lack beasts you can't be vanilla, you have to throw some exotic calls at the OC. Even if you want to play the same, disguise the crap at least!!

However, it definately is the System, when you take our personnel into consideration. It's the very reason why we aren't seeing very many takles for losses and/or gang tackles from this group. Every guy is tied up with a blocker, and nearly every play is dependent upon a solo tackle.

I rather have a defense that take into consideration his gap assignment, but has the green light to pell his ears back, and beat his guy off the snap, and use his instincts to get after it.

"Nebraska week, we were kind of off," linebacker Jermaine Grace said. "It was just more of guys trying to make plays and our defense isn't made for everybody to make a play. It's made for everyone to do their job and one or two guys be there to make the play …They had a good running back, a good quarterback and plenty of receivers, so everybody tried to be Superman and tried to make plays. That couldn't happen against Nebraska. You've got to be focused and you have to be focused in on doing your job and your assignment."

 

[x_y_no]

CRAP IS THIS???

"Nebraska week, we were kind of off," linebacker Jermaine Grace said. "It was just more of guys trying to make plays and our defense isn't made for everybody to make a play. It's made for everyone to do their job and one or two guys be there to make the play …They had a good running back, a good quarterback and plenty of receivers, so everybody tried to be Superman and tried to make plays. That couldn't happen against Nebraska. You've got to be focused and you have to be focused in on doing your job and your assignment."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...m-duke-football-0925-20140924,0,6085472.story

How can you predetermine what guys are going to make tackles???? you have to adjust to what they are doing. its call a defense for a reason. defending what the offense is throwing at you? not call plays so that Denzel can make a tackle. what type of crap

I don't think that in theory it's as crazy as you make it sound. I understand him to mean the plays are designed to spill the ball-carrier to where there's help. Nothing wrong with that idea, at least in theory. The problem is theory isn't real life. Players aren't robots and this system seems to set the players natural instincts in conflict with their assignments and without perfect execution it falls apart. You can have the most brilliant theory in the world, but you can't make it work after three years it's time to try something else.

 

[supacane]

That is precisely the problem. How about u design the play where the best players are asked to make the plays. And what we also see is if one player is out of place the defense is blown up for huge yardage. It's all smart in theory but in reality it's not going to work. We are used to playing defense where every guy can and is encouraged to make a play. Not this. And that is precisely the reason our DL are making no plays. And Golden is being disingenuous when he says no one says anything about two gaps when that's exactly what we are doing. Asking underdeveloped DL to do two and 3 jobs. Not very smart. Ask the players to fill one gap and I guarantee we make a 180 turn

 

[Joecane]

Corch Dorito: Needs a crystal ball to determine if the other team is going to run or pass but can predict with incredible certainty which 2 guys will be able to make the tackle.

HOLY ******* **** IS THIS REAL LIFE

 

[Cane Dynasty]

 

[Canes2082]

Amazing guys who actually play college football telling you they are free lancing....and we thought it was the coaches this whole time!

 

[CANE4LIFE]

Here is the problem as I see it, weighing ALL the factors, both what we have seen with our eyes, what we know of the scheme, what the players are saying, and what we know of history.

This scheme is simply a bad fit at this level, and at UM particularly. It may be a functional scheme, **** it might be a BRILLIANT scheme in the right situation, but its not working here. The whole "freelancing" thing is not new, every DC has had to deal with things like that. I remember some of our best teams having these issues, even under Shannon when he was DC. I remember some games where we were getting gashed and Shannon flat out said it was 1 or 2 guys freelancing that was throwing everything off. So the reality is that ANY scheme, is going to suffer when guys freelance and don't play their assignments.

HOWEVER.... some schemes obviously are more FORGIVING than others if you have guys miss assignments. The 4-3 base that we used to run obviously was still enough to keep us in the fight usually, and let athletes make plays.

For whatever reason, this scheme seems to totally fall apart if a few guys miss some assignments. Not that ANY scheme wouldn't have breakdowns in that scenario, but it seems like this scheme totally collapses when guys aren't being TOTALLY disciplined in their assignments. And the fact is, that in college football, with limited practice time and guys rotating in and out of the program every few years, and having to play young guys, a scheme simply CANNOT be that complicated and dependent on perfection in playing your assignment.

In the end, it still falls back on the coaching. Golden and DoNofrio should have learned by now that for WHATEVER reason, the scheme is just too complex and too delicate to recover when guys freelance and adjusted. They simply refuse to adjust. And that's a HUGE problem.

 

[Bennubird]

Pretty much

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[JayyJr]

Read between the lines, Denzel, Chick, and now even your freshman linebacker is saying that they are freelancing too much trying to make a play. If you have an entire defensive squad with all of your top players freelancing for the past four years, that means the kids do not trust the scheme and hasn't bought in to it. Read between the lines fellas

again not supporting the scheme or the staff but I don't think it means this. it could mean our guys think they are better than they are and when they get caught out of position they can't make a play. you don't have to support the scheme or the coaches to support the idea that players are to blame for not following instructions.

Really dude, players are choosing not to follow instructions for the past four years?... Why would that be?...let's use some common sense and stop over analyzing things. I'm not just throwing **** up against the wall, I played at all three levels and I can personally tell you that if what coach calling doesn't work, as a player out on the field instincts take over and you do what comes natural to you and that's what these kids are doing plain and simple.

 

[weownfsu]

If you go back to when things started going badly for Shannon, almost all the quotes sounded exactly the same "guys are in the right place, they just aren't executing . . . etc. etc."

Guys are never going to "execute" under this coaching staff, regardless of what scheme they use.