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YLCANE said:
You are đź’Ż right
Why would we not press to FORCE Qb to hold and allow our pressure to get home?????

It makes no sense
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And it’s like our coaches see they are adjusting to our pass rush neutralizing our dline but we still won’t play enough press meanwhile they moving up and down the field
 
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JamesQuall said:
Agreed. I would imagine Mario’s style would lead to a worse result with Manny’s roster and Manny would have a much wider variance with Mario’s roster.
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Mario wouldn’t be able to out fyzycal anybody with Dukes roster, he would basically be forced to switch his approach the question Is he even capable of any other philosophy then tuff n physical when it’s not even an option ?…Manny with our roster may be alright at first cause the players would basically run themselves n do whatever they want..Jojo would’ve been out there every week but eventually we would drop a game like FIU where half the starters were hungover from partying the night b4 that’s his culture.
 
bshaw28 said:
I 100% agree we were playing looser/more confident before the INT. We turtled up from there.

But I look at this a little different - I think this is as much on the defense as the offense.

This team needs to win with Defense. We lack explosive players on Offense (outside of Toney), so we can't just make it be as explosive as we like.

My Issues with the Defense
- SMU had 5 drives in the 2nd half. 4 went for 40+ yds. They were - TD, FG, FG, Missed FG, Punt. We shouldn't have let them get in scoring position so easily.

- SMU had -2 yds rushing in regulation. So in OT when we throw an INT, the Defense needed to step up and save us. Instead they rolled over and gave up 6 carries for 25 yds & a TD.

- When JoJo's bobble causes an INT, the D needed to step up. Instead Jakobe Thomas has a complete bust on the next play

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once we threw the pick in ot they could of just lined up and kicked the fg in ot. it was over. they werent going to throw it or risk it.
 
JamesQuall said:
I’d like to see what Manny would be able to accomplish with Mario’s roster and what Mario would be able to achieve with Manny’s roster.
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Are you suggesting that Manny could take Mario’s and beat his’n, but Mario couldn’t take Manny’s and beat his’n?
 
ddann said:
Are you suggesting that Manny could take Mario’s and beat his’n, but Mario couldn’t take Manny’s and beat his’n?
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WTF is a “his’n”?

I do not think Mario could take Manny’s roster and beat Mario’s roster this year, if that’s what you’re asking. Nor do I think Duke would beat us this year.
 
LeanMeanOrangeGreen said:
I don’t think he’s been 100% this entire season and I think he was at his lowest from
a health standpoint against Louisville. Some of those throws in the 4th were wobbly, had no zip, and not on target at all. Did not look like a collegiate QB and certainly not a 4 million dollar one. Not making excuses for him and his play that game but something looked totally off. I thought there was a serious possibility we’d rest him against Stanford but that’d also let people know he’s hurt or didn’t fully recover from his injury last year. I could see why this staff and maybe the University wouldn’t want anyone to know we took a gamble on a guy coming off elbow surgery and it didn’t exactly pay off, or that we were throwing someone who wasn’t 100% out on the field every week. Just a theory.
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Yeah, like it could be he's just mentally cooked and DCs have figured out how to attack him and he can't adjust, ala TVD. Tl:dr he's a limited QB.

But, just watching on TV the ball isn't zipping out of his hand and I think he's avoiding making throws that are there that he would make if he had confidence in his arm. It wouldn't surprise me if it came out he had "dead arm" or something else after the surgery.

Either way it's unfortunate. I think we'd all be arguing a lot less about the rest of our offense if our QB was performing like we expected him to, but that's just me.
 
flips said:
Yeah, like it could be he's just mentally cooked and DCs have figured out how to attack him and he can't adjust, ala TVD. Tl:dr he's a limited QB.

But, just watching on TV the ball isn't zipping out of his hand and I think he's avoiding making throws that are there that he would make if he had confidence in his arm. It wouldn't surprise me if it came out he had "dead arm" or something else after the surgery.

Either way it's unfortunate. I think we'd all be arguing a lot less about the rest of our offense if our QB was performing like we expected him to, but that's just me.
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If he has dead arm, we missed on taking two knowing what we had in Emory and Judd.

Second, we have seen some good throws including the first td, INT, back shoulder fade to Jojo. What we haven’t seen, deep fades to anyone not named Marion.

We haven’t seen tempo. We haven’t seen 10 personnel outside of the first Q of SMU. We haven’t found a way to get Beck into a rhythm. When he threw an INT, we didn’t get back on the bike. Instead, we decided walking would do.

We have limited our snaps. We have limited our downfield throws. We have run tons of 12 vs 10 even with bad blocking And catching TEs while having talent at WR. Some may say we have unproven talent, well the mix at WR is likely stronger than TE:

Let it Rip. Then run out of 10. When they load the box in 12, pass to Moore or trader 1v1 instead of 1v2 or 3.
 
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90scane said:
If he has dead arm, we missed on taking two knowing what we had in Emory and Judd.

Second, we have seen some good throws including the first td, INT, back shoulder fade to Jojo. What we haven’t seen, deep fades to anyone not named Marion.

We haven’t seen tempo. We haven’t seen 10 personnel outside of the first Q of SMU. We haven’t found a way to get Beck into a rhythm. When he threw an INT, we didn’t get back on the bike. Instead, we decided walking would do.

We have limited our snaps. We have limited our downfield throws. We have run tons of 12 vs 10 even with bad blocking And catching TEs while having talent at WR. Some may say we have unproven talent, well the mix at WR is likely stronger than TE:

Let it Rip. Then run out of 10. When they load the box in 12, pass to Moore or trader 1v1 instead of 1v2 or 3.
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Agree, and all that's really weird to do with 5th year QB you're paying $3m+ to. Same thing with the way we aren't being aggressive before halftimes with Beck. We tried it against USF, he threw a pick, and we haven't tried it since then. That's weird. All I'm saying is that a lot of this weird stuff we're all noticing on offense this year makes a bit more sense if there's something wrong with our QB. He also refuses to rip the glances off the RPOs, which is something you might avoid doing if you didn't trust the juice in your arm anymore, and I think it's contributed to the issues we've had running the ball.
 
bshaw28 said:
I 100% agree we were playing looser/more confident before the INT. We turtled up from there.

But I look at this a little different - I think this is as much on the defense as the offense.

This team needs to win with Defense. We lack explosive players on Offense (outside of Toney), so we can't just make it be as explosive as we like.

My Issues with the Defense
- SMU had 5 drives in the 2nd half. 4 went for 40+ yds. They were - TD, FG, FG, Missed FG, Punt. We shouldn't have let them get in scoring position so easily.

- SMU had -2 yds rushing in regulation. So in OT when we throw an INT, the Defense needed to step up and save us. Instead they rolled over and gave up 6 carries for 25 yds & a TD.

- When JoJo's bobble causes an INT, the D needed to step up. Instead Jakobe Thomas has a complete bust on the next play

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Bruh the game was over when Beck threw the pick in OT..the defense was playing for a lucky strip fumble at that point..
 
90scane said:
If he has dead arm, we missed on taking two knowing what we had in Emory and Judd.

Second, we have seen some good throws including the first td, INT, back shoulder fade to Jojo. What we haven’t seen, deep fades to anyone not named Marion.

We haven’t seen tempo. We haven’t seen 10 personnel outside of the first Q of SMU. We haven’t found a way to get Beck into a rhythm. When he threw an INT, we didn’t get back on the bike. Instead, we decided walking would do.

We have limited our snaps. We have limited our downfield throws. We have run tons of 12 vs 10 even with bad blocking And catching TEs while having talent at WR. Some may say we have unproven talent, well the mix at WR is likely stronger than TE:

Let it Rip. Then run out of 10. When they load the box in 12, pass to Moore or trader 1v1 instead of 1v2 or 3.
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They were scared the picks would’ve piled up like Louisville but you have to let the guy play free that’s our best option at this point.
 
That was a **** of a catch by USC. Seemed casual but dude had it by his fingertips
 
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Memnon said:
I'm entertained by the excuses.

4 games left, do any of the "It's not Beck's fault!" guys think he won't throw anymore picks for the rest of the season?

I'd love to see an argument made that he won't & how that will happen.
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None rational argument to be had.
 
JD4 said:
When you’re playing guard next to a center who is getting blown up it makes your job harder. I think he’s definitely playing worse this year but some of that is because he’s playing next to a liability
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This year he's playing worse than last year, and last year was worse than the previous year.... Theres a word for that...
 
flips said:
Cool so we essentially throw the ball between the tackles too, lol (73% of our throws b/w the numbers). Do you have last year's metrics for this?
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Cam's from 2024.
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