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Marcelo2988 said:
What if someone posted this same topic worded differently every day or two????

We blow donkey d.ick. Only way i'm back on the train is if we win out or win 3 of 4 and beat FSU nicely
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Lol you mean like the 50 golden is an idiot topics we get a day..
 
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jjohn47 said:
Let me start by saying I'm not a Gooden supporter at all, but rather a Canes supporter who only wants us to win at all cost.

My question is....what if Miami had beaten Georlgia Tech earlier this year and was now 6-2? Would you be satisfied with the season so far? Or was it done for everyone at that point?
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No two L is not acceptable negged for being a pole smoker
 
To answer the original poster = NO.

How can you manage to lose badly (to start the season) to the same team that embarrassed you in your bowl game???????? Seriously? That's coaching. That's scheme. That isnt about your roster or talent. He got flat out coached and that's the night I let go of that last rail of the Golden train.
 
Al Golden -
2011
Loss to Maryland who finished 2-10 1-7 (ACC)
Boston College who finished 4-8 3-5 (ACC)
2012
Virginia who finished 4-8, 2-6 (ACC)

Losing to really bad teams and one dimensional offenses do not define good coaching. If you play a one dimensional offense and do everything you can to stop that one dimension and still lose it's one thing. But, if you just sit there and let them do the same thing over and over and over again with no serious attempt to do something different? That's bad coaching.
Sure we can look at the GT loss at the end of the year and realize why we didn't win the coastal. But with our roster any loss in the garbage coastal is unacceptable. Looking at the season, this schedule has two understandable possible losses. First game looservilee with a true freshmen qb in a very hostile environment. I can see how that could happen.(barely tho, don't get me started on using the same stupid offensive philosophy the whole game) And a close loss to defending NC FSU at home. THAT'S IT 10-2 and a coastal win was the lowest acceptable outcome for the regular season. We're sitting at 5-3 and still looking at FSU, NC, Virginia, and Pitt. The way this team has played not one of those is a guaranteed win.
So the best we can look forward to at the end of the season is "****, wish we hadn't lost to GT" and the worst is "4-7? what the **** happened to our season?" Does this roster deserve that? **** no.. talent isn't an acceptable excuse with this roster.
 
More "what if" faqqotry. Pathetic that UM fans are now playing the what if game attempting to justify what would be a 6-2 record with losses to two teams with inferior talent.

Once you see the "I'm not a Golden fan" disclaimer at the beginning of a post, you can be pretty certain the post is going to be homosexual in nature and will be replete with excuses for failure and attempts to put a happy face on a pile of ****.
 
UMFarArcher said:
jjohn47 said:
Let me start by saying I'm not a Gooden supporter at all, but rather a Canes supporter who only wants us to win at all cost.

My question is....what if Miami had beaten Georlgia Tech earlier this year and was now 6-2? Would you be satisfied with the season so far? Or was it done for everyone at that point?
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jjohn, there's the fable of the scorpion and the tiger. The tiger was about to swim the river when a scorpion on the bank begged the tiger to give him a ride across. The tiger refused, "No, you'll sting me." The scorpion told the tiger, "No way. You'd be doing me a big favor."

The tiger agreed, and swam the river with the scorpion on the tiger's head. As soon as they reached the far bank, the scorpion struck, nailing the tiger right on top of his head. "But you assured me you wouldn't sting me!" The scorpion replied, "I can't help it. It's my nature."

Even if we were at 6-2, you're asking me to forget entirely, the past 3.5 years, and to assume that Golden has changed his nature.

Uh uh. No way.

Fire Golden, and the sooner the better.
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I get your point, but then you have a guy like Mullen in year six who's turned the program around, would you have canned him after 3.5yrs. as well?
 
pbcup said:
Golden lost me at Louisville and not because we lost the game. He showed that even with a more talented roster, he's just not aggressive enough to win at this level. Nebraska solidified that thought. After the Duke game I thought, maybe just hoped, he had woken up and realized he needed to be more aggressive, but then Georgia Tech happened and I was done. To get me back, he'd have to win out, including ACC champ (yes, beat FSU twice) and bowl.
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I don't think he could win me back even then, but he could temper my anger with winning 3 of the next 4 and CONVINCINGLY winning the bowl game. I would then expect defensive staff/philosophy changes, in 2015 beating ALL teams whom we obviously have more talent than, and NO MORE BLOWOUTS!

Just my HMO though.
 
The Franchise said:
Once you see the "I'm not a Golden fan" disclaimer at the beginning of a post, you can be pretty certain the post is going to be homosexual in nature and will be replete with excuses for failure and attempts to put a happy face on a pile of ****.
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LULZ
 
4Canes said:
UMFarArcher said:
jjohn47 said:
Let me start by saying I'm not a Gooden supporter at all, but rather a Canes supporter who only wants us to win at all cost.

My question is....what if Miami had beaten Georlgia Tech earlier this year and was now 6-2? Would you be satisfied with the season so far? Or was it done for everyone at that point?
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jjohn, there's the fable of the scorpion and the tiger. The tiger was about to swim the river when a scorpion on the bank begged the tiger to give him a ride across. The tiger refused, "No, you'll sting me." The scorpion told the tiger, "No way. You'd be doing me a big favor."

The tiger agreed, and swam the river with the scorpion on the tiger's head. As soon as they reached the far bank, the scorpion struck, nailing the tiger right on top of his head. "But you assured me you wouldn't sting me!" The scorpion replied, "I can't help it. It's my nature."

Even if we were at 6-2, you're asking me to forget entirely, the past 3.5 years, and to assume that Golden has changed his nature.

Uh uh. No way.

Fire Golden, and the sooner the better.
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I get your point, but then you have a guy like Mullen in year six who's turned the program around, would you have canned him after 3.5yrs. as well?
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Sometimes, a coaching staff will get a great stroke of luck in personnel - and does anyone think FSU would have won everything last year without JW? Can't stand the prick, but he flat out played QB last year for FSU.

We've seen the same thing with other programs - the opposite trend Urban experienced at UF. Once the talent that was already recruited left, he had to do the same, and claim health reasons.
 
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4Canes said:
I get your point, but then you have a guy like Mullen in year six who's turned the program around, would you have canned him after 3.5yrs. as well?
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Sylvester croom in the 5 years before Mullen at Miss St went 21-38, with four 8-loss seasons, including the 2008 season before Mullen took over. Mullen went 9-4 in his second season there, better than any single season by Croom and wouldve been the second-best season by Jackie Sherrill who coached there the 13 seasons before Croom.

The program started turning around immediatly and the improvement was noticeable and quantifiable. I can look long and hard to justify some kind of statistical turnaround for Golden(over Shannon, so this should be easy) but the best i can come up with is "the cloud".
 
CaneTheGaytors said:
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Al Golden's career record vs. ranked teams (ranked at the time of the game) is 3-13, with the following 3 wins:

Florida- Finished 4-8
Ohio State- Finished 6-7
Georgia Tech- Finished 8-5

Here is the full record:

2006 (Temple):
L Louisville 62-0
L Clemson 63-9

2007 (Temple):
L Penn State 31-0

2008 (Temple):
L Penn State 45-3

2009 (Temple):
L Penn State 31-6

2010 (Temple):
L Penn State 22-13

2011 (Miami):
W Ohio State 24-6
L Virginia Tech 38-35
W Georgia Tech 24-7

2012 (Miami):
L Kansas State 52-13
L Notre Dame 41-3
L Florida State 33-20

2013 (Miami):
W Florida 21-16
L Florida State 41-14
L Louisville 36-9

2014 (Miami):
L Nebraska 41-31

Al Golden's career record vs. teams which finished with winning records is 11-37, which includes his record of 7-12 in such games at Miami:

2006 (Temple):
L Louisville 62-0
L Clemson 63-9
L Western Michigan 41-7
L Northern Illinois 43-21
L Central Michigan 42-26
L Penn State- 47-0
L Navy 42-6

2007 (Temple):
L Penn State 31-0
L Navy 30-19
L Connecticut 22-17
L Bowling Green 48-35

2008 (Temple):
L Penn State 45-3
L Connecticut 12-9
L Buffalo 30-28
L Western Michigan 7-3
L Central Michigan 24-14
L Navy 33-27

2009 (Temple):
L Villanova 27-24 (FCS team)
L Penn State 31-6
W Navy 27-24
L Ohio 35-17
L UCLA 30-21

2010 (Temple):
W Villanova 31-24 (FCS team)
W Connecticut 30-16
L Penn State 22-13
W Army 42-35
L Northern Illinois 31-17
L Ohio 31-23
L Miami (OH) 23-3

2011 (Miami):
L Kansas State 28-24
L Virginia Tech 38-35
W North Carolina 30-24
W Georgia Tech 24-7
L Virginia 28-21
L Florida State 23-19

2012 (Miami):
L Kansas State 52-13
W Nc State 44-37
L Notre Dame 41-3
L North Carolina 18-14
L Florida State 33-20
W Virginia Tech 30-12

2013 (Miami):
W Georgia Tech 45-30
W North Carolina 27-23
L Florida State 41-14
L Virginia Tech 42-24
L Duke 48-30
W Pittsburgh 41-31
L Louisville 36-9

In 14 ACC road games with Al Golden as coach, Miami has never allowed fewer than 23 points. In 10 of those games, the opponent has scored at least 30. Miami is 6-8 in those 14 games while giving up an average of 33.7 points.

According to rivals.com, from 2010 to 2014, Miami’s average recruiting class was ranked 15th nationally. Among some of the schools that have beaten Miami in the past two years, Virginia Tech’s average class over the same period was 25th nationally, Louisville’s was 42nd, Georgia Tech’s was 55th, and Duke’s was 65th.


If the above facts aren't an indictment on Al Golden then I don't know how much more evidence you are going to need. Dude is the KING OF USED CAR SALESMEN.

It's time for a change and the sooner the better. Those of us who actually remember what Miami Hurricanes football is supposed to look like have finally had enough.
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Glad to know there's another stat boy on here like myself. Numbers don't lie WHEN they are consistent. I hate when Golden slurpers try to defend his process. Here's another fact, the "cloud" that we continue to talk about was first introduced by Golden himself after his first year struggle. He introduced the term "cloud" and slurpers have been slurping since. We beat an overmatched and bad Cincy team and VT team. Everyone wants to throw in the fact that VT beat OSU this year.....let them play again now that OSU is humming...bet VT gets 70 put on them. We beat bad teams and then we jock the Golden Nuts again....it's pathetic. Win out, and I won't have anything to say, but the fact remains, our schedule is not getting any easier down the stretch so this is when we will see if we, too, have turned a corner or if we've been dealt another hand of "Fool's Gold" (pun intended)
 
at 6-2 with a win at either louisville or GT and i'd feel a bit better ... i'd be nice if we could have slowed down Nebraskas running game, but we're not the only ones that's had that issue.
 
DaU83 said:
at 6-2 with a win at either louisville or GT and i'd feel a bit better ... i'd be nice if we could have slowed down Nebraskas running game, but we're not the only ones that's had that issue.
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So I guess that makes it OK, huh?
 
jjohn47 said:
Let me start by saying I'm not a Gooden supporter at all, but rather a Canes supporter who only wants us to win at all cost.

My question is....what if Miami had beaten Georlgia Tech earlier this year and was now 6-2? Would you be satisfied with the season so far? Or was it done for everyone at that point?
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To answer your question. Yes. We should not be losing to GT in year four and giving up 300+ yards rushing. Georgia will show us later this year how to handle GT when their trounce their *** like normal.

Nebraska took me to the edge and Golden sent me over the cliff with that performance.
 
[/QUOTE]Sylvester croom in the 5 years before Mullen at Miss St went 21-38, with four 8-loss seasons, including the 2008 season before Mullen took over. Mullen went 9-4 in his second season there, better than any single season by Croom and wouldve been the second-best season by Jackie Sherrill who coached there the 13 seasons before Croom.

The program started turning around immediatly and the improvement was noticeable and quantifiable. I can look long and hard to justify some kind of statistical turnaround for Golden(over Shannon, so this should be easy) but the best i can come up with is "the cloud".[/QUOTE]

I have to call you on that, "noticeable" is subjective at best and the numbers don't stand up to "quantifiable".
I don't shrink from the fact the I support Golden, and am just using Mullen as a benchmark because others have said how much they would love to have him here. I'm not thrilled with the way the season has gone, but I'm going to reserve judgement until it's over.
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Sylvester croom in the 5 years before Mullen at Miss St went 21-38, with four 8-loss seasons, including the 2008 season before Mullen took over. Mullen went 9-4 in his second season there, better than any single season by Croom and wouldve been the second-best season by Jackie Sherrill who coached there the 13 seasons before Croom.

The program started turning around immediatly and the improvement was noticeable and quantifiable. I can look long and hard to justify some kind of statistical turnaround for Golden(over Shannon, so this should be easy) but the best i can come up with is "the cloud".[/QUOTE]

I have to call you on that, "noticeable" is subjective at best and the numbers don't stand up to "quantifiable".
I don't shrink from the fact the I support Golden, and am just using Mullen as a benchmark because others have said how much they would love to have him here. I'm not thrilled with the way the season has gone, but I'm going to reserve judgement until it's over.
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Right, Mullen went 36-28 in his first 5 after taking over for a coach that went 21-38 in his previous 5. This defines and quantifies improvement. Your question was "would you have fired Mullen after 3.5 years? Why or why not(implied)". The answer is no, as a mis st fan I would have seen the improvements(posted by you above). I'm not asking you to stop supporting golden, I'm asking you to give me a quantifiable reason why I should, and I'll consider it. Because so far the only thing I've heard is he's had an unfair go because of the cloud which I don't buy into.
 
OrangetieFatface said:
Right, Mullen went 36-28 in his first 5 after taking over for a coach that went 21-38 in his previous 5. This defines and quantifies improvement. Your question was "would you have fired Mullen after 3.5 years? Why or why not(implied)". The answer is no, as a mis st fan I would have seen the improvements(posted by you above). I'm not asking you to stop supporting golden, I'm asking you to give me a quantifiable reason why I should, and I'll consider it. Because so far the only thing I've heard is he's had an unfair go because of the cloud which I don't buy into.
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No, sir. A 15 win improvement is neither quantifiable nor noticeable.

These Folden nut leeches crack me up.
 
OrangetieFatface said:
Sylvester croom in the 5 years before Mullen at Miss St went 21-38, with four 8-loss seasons, including the 2008 season before Mullen took over. Mullen went 9-4 in his second season there, better than any single season by Croom and wouldve been the second-best season by Jackie Sherrill who coached there the 13 seasons before Croom.

The program started turning around immediatly and the improvement was noticeable and quantifiable. I can look long and hard to justify some kind of statistical turnaround for Golden(over Shannon, so this should be easy) but the best i can come up with is "the cloud".
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I have to call you on that, "noticeable" is subjective at best and the numbers don't stand up to "quantifiable".
I don't shrink from the fact the I support Golden, and am just using Mullen as a benchmark because others have said how much they would love to have him here. I'm not thrilled with the way the season has gone, but I'm going to reserve judgement until it's over.
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[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
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[TD]4–4[/TD]
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[TD]Mississippi State[/TD]
[TD]7–6[/TD]
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[TD]T-5th (West)[/TD]
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Right, Mullen went 36-28 in his first 5 after taking over for a coach that went 21-38 in his previous 5. This defines and quantifies improvement. Your question was "would you have fired Mullen after 3.5 years? Why or why not(implied)". The answer is no, as a mis st fan I would have seen the improvements(posted by you above). I'm not asking you to stop supporting golden, I'm asking you to give me a quantifiable reason why I should, and I'll consider it. Because so far the only thing I've heard is he's had an unfair go because of the cloud which I don't buy into.[/QUOTE]

I see where you're coming from, but when I was referring to improvement I was looking at Mullen's tenure, which was up and down, not comparing him to his predecessor. Based on that you are correct. As for Golden, my hope is his turning point will be here soon, like three weeks soon...
 
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