What can we expect from Guidry in year 2?

[JHallCanes]

GT had 175 yards FOR THE ENTIRE GAME before that drive. I don’t know what the school record is for fewest yards allowed in an ACC game, but I’ll bet it was in jeopardy that night. That game was 0.000% on the defense.

The first half of that game for GT:

3 and out
3 and out
4 and out (their only first down came on a penalty)
Interception
3 and out

And the game was 3-0. It should have been 17-0 and there is no kneel down/fumble/cluster****.

Yeah, you can’t let them go 76 yards on the last drive of the game. But the game was over. We ran out the clock, it’s victory formation time, start unbuckling your shoulder pads and blowing kisses at your old lady in the stands, we’re 5-0. Then all of a sudden wait, we gotta go back on the field? That game was 0.0000% on the defense they were absolutely lights out all night except for one drive. GT finishes with 175 yards on 50 plays if Mario just doesn’t make the dumbest coaching decision of all-time.

Guidry and the defense had a couple stinkers. GT wasn’t one of them.

GT was also one of the top offenses in the country coming into that game

I hate our troll fans. Saying “period” doesn’t make what you’re saying any less stupid

Louisville was the big blemish on Guidry I thought though at that point it felt like we were cobbling a defense week to week. He did a nice job on UNC in the first half. Remember they essentially abandoned the pass because Maye couldn’t get it done. We just couldn’t get past having guys like Jaden Davis in spots like that by the end

 

[Canesfan1899]

You are missing the point. It’s about the last 21 seconds, they had 75 yards to go with no time outs.
Any DC knows you play an umbrella D with 4 DBs at goal line and tell them in no uncertain terms : DO NOT LET ANYBODY GET BEHIND YOU!
Would Saban, Smart, Venebles allow it?

Let not forget Kam taking an atrocious angle on the winning td. Should’ve never come to that and agree you gotta make a stop, just some weird ****.

 

[Canesfan1899]

And not to derail the entire thread I’m more focused on what to expect from the defense with the personnel we have this year. GT sucked, and we had some bad games but that was last year.

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

Improvement.

Or, well, you know...

 

[simplycanes]

He has a lot more flexibility this year, especially at DE. Losing Mesidor for the whole season was a major setback.

Our DBs concern me.

In this era of CFB, let's be real, every single defense will get worked at least twice per season.

 

[88]

Posted this in a thread last year and updated to include the 23 season:

How Guidry's defenses ranked in his conference by yards per play:

23: 5/14 Miami (ACC)

22: 1/14 Marshall (Sun B)

21: 2/14 Marshall (USA 1st Season)

19: 5/11 Southeastern LA (Southland - 1st Season)

15: 1/11 McNeese (Southland)

14: 2/11 McNeese (Southland)

13: 6/10 McNeese (Southland - 1st Season)

12: 1/10 WKU (Sun B)

11: 7/9 WKU (Sun B - 1st Season)

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Always an improvement and in a few cases a sizable jump from year one to two.

Guidry's resume really is impressive.

 

[Calicane02]

Just set the tone with florida....be ready for the 3-4 fakes to ew3 cause those will be the only shots they take

 

[E1k]

I have no worries about guidry..not even because I think he’s the greatest dc or anything but we saw him in real time go deep in his tool bag to find solutions like he did with switching up the fronts after our run defense was bad.

I guess the next step is to see how we perform vs better qbs because last year opponents were pretty weak overall. A year of film is out in the acc so we will see but he earned some trust imo. He also installed the system in a short time right? I remember him getting hired pretty late, now he has another familiar voice in chevis that can help expand the playbook

 

[Coach Macho]

Let’s not forget Georgia Tech .
They moved the ball 75 yards on 21 seconds with no time outs!
That’s on Guidry, period.Don’t need great DBs or great pass rush to prevent TD.Any decent ( not good) DC in College prevents TD
Remember Rutgers running the ball at will against the D when everyone knew it was coming. Could not game plan to stop it.

It’s big year for Guidry to show he belongs.

That's on the players.

 

[Coach Macho]

I think fans underestimate how hard it is to install/run a new scheme.
It's not plug-and-play.

When you're teaching new techniques, new calls, new adjustments, new vernacular... it takes longer for the kids to master than you think it does. Even when you THINK they've got it, in the heat of the battle their brains go caca and they revert back to their old habits.

You can't fairly judge a coordinator in year one. They need "their guys" as well. Guidry asks his CB's to play some form of man coverage on virtually every snap. He's going to have certain traits that he looks for in his Corners. He needs a certain type of athlete for his Sam/Nickel spot as well.

Not only are you trying to field the best 11 guys you can, but also the smartest 11. Before you can even put the best 11 ATHLETES on the field, you gotta find 11 that actually know the plays/adjustments. That's a challenge in itself.
Then, if that's not hard enough, you gotta hope those 11 are "bought in", that they're coachable, that they play with maximum effort, that they all run to the football, etc.
That's a whole other challenge, CULTURE.

People think when a new coordinator arrives that all he's doing is implementing new plays. Nah. Depending on the staff before him, he might have to implement a whole new culture of playing defense. (effort, IQ, vernacular, techniques, communication, pursuit, etc) That **** takes a while, and there's some trial & error involved too.

 

[Bender]

GT was also one of the top offenses in the country coming into that game

I hate our troll fans. Saying “period” doesn’t make what you’re saying any less stupid

Louisville was the big blemish on Guidry I thought though at that point it felt like we were cobbling a defense week to week. He did a nice job on UNC in the first half. Remember they essentially abandoned the pass because Maye couldn’t get it done. We just couldn’t get past having guys like Jaden Davis in spots like that by the end

I'd like to agree on the UNC part, but they neither abandoned the pass, nor did Maye not get it done. It was widely considered his worst tape last season and in the first half, a Corey Gaynor led O-Line didn't handle a single stunt (shocking, I know). We beat Maye up as hard as we could.

Dude basically came out and bombed us with Tez Walker twice to essentially end the game.

 

[Empirical Cane]

I really enjoyed the defensive approach last year and thought we saw a coach make some major changes to his scheme mid year because of injuries. That move to the 3-3-5 against Clemson was impressive e to say the least.

What do we think his plans are schematically this year? We have a lot more depth at edge and some questions at dt, so curious how that will effect the scheme. I know Guidry is a db guy, what can he do to get the most out of a mostly unproven group?

I want to see more defenses named after scary animals.

 

[Empirical Cane]

GT had 175 yards FOR THE ENTIRE GAME before that drive. I don’t know what the school record is for fewest yards allowed in an ACC game, but I’ll bet it was in jeopardy that night. That game was 0.000% on the defense.

The first half of that game for GT:

3 and out
3 and out
4 and out (their only first down came on a penalty)
Interception
3 and out

And the game was 3-0. It should have been 17-0 and there is no kneel down/fumble/cluster****.

Yeah, you can’t let them go 76 yards on the last drive of the game. But the game was over. We ran out the clock, it’s victory formation time, start unbuckling your shoulder pads and blowing kisses at your old lady in the stands, we’re 5-0. Then all of a sudden wait, we gotta go back on the field? That game was 0.0000% on the defense they were absolutely lights out all night except for one drive. GT finishes with 175 yards on 50 plays if Mario just doesn’t make the dumbest coaching decision of all-time.

Guidry and the defense had a couple stinkers. GT wasn’t one of them.

I would also add for the umpteenth time:

- ACC officials deliberately cheated Miami on the down by contact play
- On last drive, GT's 2-10 play was a low percentage completion to sideline that should have been batted down/intercepted (I think Couch?)
- On TD, had Kam actually played SAFETY instead jumping the route, pass is intercepted/batted down/WR tackled...game over Miami wins

None of the above is Guidry's fault.

What is Miami Offense's fault is only scoring 20 points against GT when they should have scored 35+.

 

[DTP]

Let’s not forget Georgia Tech .
They moved the ball 75 yards on 21 seconds with no time outs!
That’s on Guidry, period.Don’t need great DBs or great pass rush to prevent TD.Any decent ( not good) DC in College prevents TD
Remember Rutgers running the ball at will against the D when everyone knew it was coming. Could not game plan to stop it.

It’s big year for Guidry to show he belongs.

Mario, we still blame you for not taking a knee. Don’t try to pass the blame.

 

[Empirical Cane]

Mario, we still blame you for not taking a knee. Don’t try to pass the blame.

 

[AtrainCane]

Think again Buddy Ryan.
They were at our 44 with 10 seconds left, down by 3.
Your D gives them an easy 15-20 yard out and a 30 yard FG attempt to tie.

Both couch and Kam screwed up.
That wasn't on Guidry.

The Couch play is the one everyone forgets. I have no idea how he didn’t make an interception on that play. He just tripped and stumbled when he went to play the ball. That’s the story of his career here, just not quite good enough to win at an elite level.

The talent at corner shoukd/will be Damari Brown level players. Players of that caliber pick that ball every time.

 

[AtrainCane]

True story. Particularly since he works with the safeties. How Kam did what he did is beyond me. He must have known the situation. Someone coached him to do that or someone allowed him to do that.

No one coaches a free safety to let a guy behind him in that situation. That was Kam gambling for a game ending play.

 

[Canesfan1899]

I think fans underestimate how hard it is to install/run a new scheme.
It's not plug-and-play.

When you're teaching new techniques, new calls, new adjustments, new vernacular... it takes longer for the kids to master than you think it does. Even when you THINK they've got it, in the heat of the battle their brains go caca and they revert back to their old habits.

You can't fairly judge a coordinator in year one. They need "their guys" as well. Guidry asks his CB's to play some form of man coverage on virtually every snap. He's going to have certain traits that he looks for in his Corners. He needs a certain type of athlete for his Sam/Nickel spot as well.

Not only are you trying to field the best 11 guys you can, but also the smartest 11. Before you can even put the best 11 ATHLETES on the field, you gotta find 11 that actually know the plays/adjustments. That's a challenge in itself.
Then, if that's not hard enough, you gotta hope those 11 are "bought in", that they're coachable, that they play with maximum effort, that they all run to the football, etc.
That's a whole other challenge, CULTURE.

People think when a new coordinator arrives that all he's doing is implementing new plays. Nah. Depending on the staff before him, he might have to implement a whole new culture of playing defense. (effort, IQ, vernacular, techniques, communication, pursuit, etc) That **** takes a while, and there's some trial & error involved too.

So based on what we have this year how do you thin Guidry lines it up?

 

[Novacane32000]

You are missing the point. It’s about the last 21 seconds, they had 75 yards to go with no time outs.
Any DC knows you play an umbrella D with 4 DBs at goal line and tell them in no uncertain terms : DO NOT LET ANYBODY GET BEHIND YOU!
Would Saban, Smart, Venebles allow it?

Not that simple . A FG could tie the game. That factored into the way the defense played.

 

[Novacane32000]

I think fans underestimate how hard it is to install/run a new scheme.
It's not plug-and-play.

When you're teaching new techniques, new calls, new adjustments, new vernacular... it takes longer for the kids to master than you think it does. Even when you THINK they've got it, in the heat of the battle their brains go caca and they revert back to their old habits.

You can't fairly judge a coordinator in year one. They need "their guys" as well. Guidry asks his CB's to play some form of man coverage on virtually every snap. He's going to have certain traits that he looks for in his Corners. He needs a certain type of athlete for his Sam/Nickel spot as well.

Not only are you trying to field the best 11 guys you can, but also the smartest 11. Before you can even put the best 11 ATHLETES on the field, you gotta find 11 that actually know the plays/adjustments. That's a challenge in itself.
Then, if that's not hard enough, you gotta hope those 11 are "bought in", that they're coachable, that they play with maximum effort, that they all run to the football, etc.
That's a whole other challenge, CULTURE.

People think when a new coordinator arrives that all he's doing is implementing new plays. Nah. Depending on the staff before him, he might have to implement a whole new culture of playing defense. (effort, IQ, vernacular, techniques, communication, pursuit, etc) That **** takes a while, and there's some trial & error involved too.

I already knew all this.