What are the visible differences between Shannon and Golden?

[KANE]

We still have timeouts in the 2nd and 4th quarters with Golden.

We have a winner!!!

 

[KANE]

Golden's roster management is much better than Randy's. I think we had one returning CB in McGee when Golden took over.

Roster management has been better, and recruiting for needs. We don't have MASSIVE holes on the roster the way we did under both Shannon and Coker. LB depth has had some issues because of horrible luck, first the EJ and Terry fiascos, and a year later the Figs and Blue debacle. DT recruiting has also been very lack luster under AG. But its at least been balanced as far as the numbers go.

I would also say sideline management and game management has been SOMEWHAT better. Im not talking about gameplans, but we aren't USUALLY wasting 3 time outs within the first 4 minutes of the 1st quarter, the last few games with Kaaya notwithstanding. There has certainly been a regression so far this year though, with stupid penalties, mistakes, wasted time outs, etc.. but I chalk a lot of that up to having a true Frosh in there.

In the end, I just feel like Shannon had a lot more talent to work with, and really underperformed. Golden had some talent his first year, but a ton of off the field issues, then two years of pretty mediocre talent, and now has some talent back. He needs to show something with it this year.

I get the anger and frustration with Golden and this staff, but some of the revisionist history on these boards is beyond comical. People here couldn't run Randy Shannon out of Miami fast enough for his incompetence. Now suddenly "he wasn't so bad". Golden may end up going down as a total failure, but that isn't going to somehow make Shannon less of a disaster as an HC than he was.

TRUTH!!! 100%

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Wont know until we see golden playing with a full deck.. My first year judging golden and staff is this year and at the moment.. Im not exactly liking what im seeing still have a long season to go... Off the field recruiting has been top notch on the field still ?

Yeah. Maybe we can get blown out by a little less if have 5 stars at every position instead of 4 stars. Will that be a full enough deck? Tigers don't change their stripes and LULZ at you if this is your first year judging the staff.

 

[weownfsu]

How many rush end/nickel corner hybrids does Golden need before we can judge him?

 

[caneaddict]

whats unfortunately too similar is the hand holding, constant treatment of the players like they cant do ****... No ownership given to the players of the team and the outcomes, everything is tightly controlled and the players are constantly being told how they cant do **** and not ready, blah blah blah...Really disappointing that this doghouse, overmanaging, manipulation of info culture still exists

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Less if any at all conjugation from Golden.

 

[TreOFive]

I find this cringe-worthy to say, but as it relates to ON THE FIELD, I think Randy Shannon showed more flexibility and willingness to adjust than we have seen so far from the current staff.

- Shannon went from predominant Man under to transitioning to some underneath zones. The notable Sharpton pick-6 toward the back end of Shannon's tenure as a Head Coach is one example.

- Shannon went so far as to hire Whipple and Bill Young. Both are guys who strayed pretty far from what Shannon had showed were his core, on the field, philosophies. Young was a zone blitz guy. Whipple was a chuck it guy.

- Shannon also made swift decisions when something didn't work. The notable example is Tim Walton. He was immediately fired. Say whatever you will (and most of it is likely very accurate), but Tim Walton actually grew to become an NFL defensive Coordinator under a pretty legitimate Head Coach.


We're talking about on the field, here. I can't believe what I just wrote.

One of Shannons major career blunders was placing all his stock on Jacory "Picky" Harris. Imagine the losses we would have avoided if Jacory would have thrown 15 less interceptions. The UNC and Clemson games stand out one year. Those games were in the bag if Jacory doesnt throw 4/5 picks in each. Just my opinion. Also, I was not a fan of the Deer in headlights baffled look under Shannon. I do think that despite his major inadequacies as a head coach, Shannon ran a much better defense. Dorito would have been fired by Shannon after first season

 

[lauderdaleballer]

I find this cringe-worthy to say, but as it relates to ON THE FIELD, I think Randy Shannon showed more flexibility and willingness to adjust than we have seen so far from the current staff.

- Shannon went from predominant Man under to transitioning to some underneath zones. The notable Sharpton pick-6 toward the back end of Shannon's tenure as a Head Coach is one example.

- Shannon went so far as to hire Whipple and Bill Young. Both are guys who strayed pretty far from what Shannon had showed were his core, on the field, philosophies. Young was a zone blitz guy. Whipple was a chuck it guy.

- Shannon also made swift decisions when something didn't work. The notable example is Tim Walton. He was immediately fired. Say whatever you will (and most of it is likely very accurate), but Tim Walton actually grew to become an NFL defensive Coordinator under a pretty legitimate Head Coach.


We're talking about on the field, here. I can't believe what I just wrote.

Walton was fired after the defense ranked 35th in total defense.

35th.

Do you know how many NFL players Walton and Shannon had on that team that played just defense?

Kenny Phillips 1st round
Calais Campbell 3rd round
Sam Shields
Tavares Gooden
Daryl Sharpton
Colin McCarthy
Spencer Adkins
Antonio Dixon
Dwayne Hendricks
Glenn Sharp
Joe Joseph
Tervaris Johnson
Bruce Johnson

Not even going to count Allen Bailey because he was a Frosh that year.

Your list is a bit off... Glen Sharp never played in the NFL... Sam Shields didn't play defense that year... Tervaris Johnson was converted to fullback... Spencer Adkins rarely contributed and was an NFL special teamer... Dsharp was a bench warmer until 09(until the previous staff developed him)... If you're going to be pulling out names like that theres no excuse for Golden **** poor 2011 defense... The defense that constantly gave up last minute drives with 2 minutes remaining... How many players made it to the NFL off that list? Come on get real...

 

[lauderdaleballer]

Shannon had FAR better talent to work with. Just look at the list above I just made. Those were guys on the 07 squad that went 5-7. ALL those guys played in the NFL. We had a 1st round draft pick on that defense. A slew of other guys that all played in the NFL.

Get real man... That 07 squad was garbage... Outside of the UVA(probably their best team in forever finished 9-3) and VT, the offense was the major weakness... Defense rarely disappointed... We lost in OT against NCstate because our qb Kirby Freeman went 1-15 with 3 pics... We had a freshman Greg Coop as our star back... Golden inheritted a better squad... How can a coach inherit a team with the 2nd and 3rd all-time passers in school history and you say he inherited no one? How can a coach inherit our last 1000 yard back and the commitment of our only consistent playmaker (Duke committed to RS in 2010) but you say he has no one? How can a coach inherit one of our all time all-purpose wideouts in T3, a breakout prospect in Streeter, a record breaking wideout in Hurns, and benched a consistent wideout in the NFL in Byrds but you say he inherited no one? Golden had All-ACC talent on the oline and squandered the prospects of Bwash... He also had stellar linemen in Henderson and Linder... Lets not talk about him having one the most productive linebackers in school history in Sean Spence...

I don't usually call people liars but quit lying man... That 2011 roster is in better shape than it is now... Defense eventually had some holes but overall UM's roster has regressed since then...

 

[lauderdaleballer]

I find this cringe-worthy to say, but as it relates to ON THE FIELD, I think Randy Shannon showed more flexibility and willingness to adjust than we have seen so far from the current staff.

- Shannon went from predominant Man under to transitioning to some underneath zones. The notable Sharpton pick-6 toward the back end of Shannon's tenure as a Head Coach is one example.

- Shannon went so far as to hire Whipple and Bill Young. Both are guys who strayed pretty far from what Shannon had showed were his core, on the field, philosophies. Young was a zone blitz guy. Whipple was a chuck it guy.

- Shannon also made swift decisions when something didn't work. The notable example is Tim Walton. He was immediately fired. Say whatever you will (and most of it is likely very accurate), but Tim Walton actually grew to become an NFL defensive Coordinator under a pretty legitimate Head Coach.


We're talking about on the field, here. I can't believe what I just wrote.

One of Shannons major career blunders was placing all his stock on Jacory "Picky" Harris. Imagine the losses we would have avoided if Jacory would have thrown 15 less interceptions. The UNC and Clemson games stand out one year. Those games were in the bag if Jacory doesnt throw 4/5 picks in each. Just my opinion. Also, I was not a fan of the Deer in headlights baffled look under Shannon. I do think that despite his major inadequacies as a head coach, Shannon ran a much better defense. Dorito would have been fired by Shannon after first season

Harris had some good games that year but he had some bad games... Clemson and UNC could have both been wins with less pics... I think he threw like 8 in those 2 games alone... 5 less pics could have resulted in victories...

 

[TreOFive]

I find this cringe-worthy to say, but as it relates to ON THE FIELD, I think Randy Shannon showed more flexibility and willingness to adjust than we have seen so far from the current staff.

- Shannon went from predominant Man under to transitioning to some underneath zones. The notable Sharpton pick-6 toward the back end of Shannon's tenure as a Head Coach is one example.

- Shannon went so far as to hire Whipple and Bill Young. Both are guys who strayed pretty far from what Shannon had showed were his core, on the field, philosophies. Young was a zone blitz guy. Whipple was a chuck it guy.

- Shannon also made swift decisions when something didn't work. The notable example is Tim Walton. He was immediately fired. Say whatever you will (and most of it is likely very accurate), but Tim Walton actually grew to become an NFL defensive Coordinator under a pretty legitimate Head Coach.


We're talking about on the field, here. I can't believe what I just wrote.

One of Shannons major career blunders was placing all his stock on Jacory "Picky" Harris. Imagine the losses we would have avoided if Jacory would have thrown 15 less interceptions. The UNC and Clemson games stand out one year. Those games were in the bag if Jacory doesnt throw 4/5 picks in each. Just my opinion. Also, I was not a fan of the Deer in headlights baffled look under Shannon. I do think that despite his major inadequacies as a head coach, Shannon ran a much better defense. Dorito would have been fired by Shannon after first season

Harris had some good games that year but he had some bad games... Clemson and UNC could have both been wins with less pics... I think he threw like 8 in those 2 games alone... 5 less pics could have resulted in victories...

exactly, we easily could have gotten 10 wins that year. JH's interceptions were daggers throughout his career

 

[lauderdaleballer]

I find this cringe-worthy to say, but as it relates to ON THE FIELD, I think Randy Shannon showed more flexibility and willingness to adjust than we have seen so far from the current staff.

- Shannon went from predominant Man under to transitioning to some underneath zones. The notable Sharpton pick-6 toward the back end of Shannon's tenure as a Head Coach is one example.

- Shannon went so far as to hire Whipple and Bill Young. Both are guys who strayed pretty far from what Shannon had showed were his core, on the field, philosophies. Young was a zone blitz guy. Whipple was a chuck it guy.

- Shannon also made swift decisions when something didn't work. The notable example is Tim Walton. He was immediately fired. Say whatever you will (and most of it is likely very accurate), but Tim Walton actually grew to become an NFL defensive Coordinator under a pretty legitimate Head Coach.


We're talking about on the field, here. I can't believe what I just wrote.

One of Shannons major career blunders was placing all his stock on Jacory "Picky" Harris. Imagine the losses we would have avoided if Jacory would have thrown 15 less interceptions. The UNC and Clemson games stand out one year. Those games were in the bag if Jacory doesnt throw 4/5 picks in each. Just my opinion. Also, I was not a fan of the Deer in headlights baffled look under Shannon. I do think that despite his major inadequacies as a head coach, Shannon ran a much better defense. Dorito would have been fired by Shannon after first season

Harris had some good games that year but he had some bad games... Clemson and UNC could have both been wins with less pics... I think he threw like 8 in those 2 games alone... 5 less pics could have resulted in victories...

exactly, we easily could have gotten 10 wins that year. JH's interceptions were daggers throughout his career

I agree and I'm a Harris fan... And his 2010 campaign is what really plagued his career... He was an accurate qb but his decision making was really bad... If he would have ran a few more times instead of trying to throw 60 yard bombs his career and UM current standing would be totally different...

 

[weownfsu]

If it hadn't been Jacory's interceptions it would have just been something else. Those teams weren't good enough to win 10 games unless they played perfect football, and they were incapable of that--no matter who the QB was.

 

[Duval904]

lol @ the people saying "we're stronger and roster management has been better!!!" when the results are even as far as record goes


hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[CANE4LIFE]

Shannon had FAR better talent to work with. Just look at the list above I just made. Those were guys on the 07 squad that went 5-7. ALL those guys played in the NFL. We had a 1st round draft pick on that defense. A slew of other guys that all played in the NFL.

Get real man... That 07 squad was garbage... Outside of the UVA(probably their best team in forever finished 9-3) and VT, the offense was the major weakness... Defense rarely disappointed... We lost in OT against NCstate because our qb Kirby Freeman went 1-15 with 3 pics... We had a freshman Greg Coop as our star back... Golden inheritted a better squad... How can a coach inherit a team with the 2nd and 3rd all-time passers in school history and you say he inherited no one? How can a coach inherit our last 1000 yard back and the commitment of our only consistent playmaker (Duke committed to RS in 2010) but you say he has no one? How can a coach inherit one of our all time all-purpose wideouts in T3, a breakout prospect in Streeter, a record breaking wideout in Hurns, and benched a consistent wideout in the NFL in Byrds but you say he inherited no one? Golden had All-ACC talent on the oline and squandered the prospects of Bwash... He also had stellar linemen in Henderson and Linder... Lets not talk about him having one the most productive linebackers in school history in Sean Spence...

I don't usually call people liars but quit lying man... That 2011 roster is in better shape than it is now... Defense eventually had some holes but overall UM's roster has regressed since then...

Maybe you need to learn to read bud. The post was directed at the comments about Tim Walton's 35th ranked defense, and how Golden would never even sniff a defense ranked like Shannon and Walton had that year. I listed all the talent that team had on it, and ALL THOSE GUYS made it to the NFL. Maybe try doing a little research before shooting your mouth off and looking like a fool. Even Sharp was signed by the Falcons as a UFA.

And who the **** said "Golden had no one"??? YOU made that **** up to create a bull**** strawman that no one here has argued. Golden had Spence, Vernon, Forston, and a few other guys that have made it to the league, but of the two best guys Golden had, Vernon was suspended for HALF the season. Spence began the season suspended. But there is NO QUESTION that Shannon had more NFL talent on his defense than Golden has the last few years.

Where is Vaughn Telemaque now? How about Curtis Porter? Kacy Rodgers? Kelvin Cain? Jordan Futch? Mike Williams? Andrew Smith? Darius Smith? Marcus Robinson, Tyrone Cornelius? AJ Highsmith?

The 2011 team featured great moments like Corey King actually playing as a True Frosh. Gionni Paul playing as a True Frosh. Chick having to start as a Frosh.

Are you really going to sit here and say Golden has had better talent on Defense than Shannon did?