Well, It's Official: **** Butch Davis

[Dwinstitles]

I think what your missing [MENTION=3355]WhatTheHell[/MENTION], is that recruits actually wanna play for Butch. I'll agree, Butch wasn't the best game day coach, but I think with him being an analyst, his understanding is different. I believe he will also put together a really good staff to cover over his deficiencies as a game day coach. He'll stock the cupboard full and get the program back going. Don't see what all the hate is about.

The hate stems from the fact that most of the Butch Zombies would take Butch over Chip Kelly or similar.

That is about as delusional as you can get.

That's pretty much where I'm at.

I have Butch just after Chip, Gundy, and Mullen. He's in my top 5. I'm just pointing out and laughing at the cult members who have worked themselves into such a frenzy that they attempt to tear down more accomplish coaches to prop up Butch. It's bordering on the insane.

Y cuz someone disagrees with yall?

Its aight that u guys think that and im ok with that, i just got a different opinion. If i think butch the best option thats on me, u guys acting like isis and **** because we believe butch is the best choice along with other people. I think hes the best option unless u brining *** saban or jim

 

[deleted3746]

Who wouldn't want a Gary Patterson, Chip Kelly, or Mark Dantonio? What I don't get as how some can hate on Butch, start thread over thread on him on how he sucks, and hasn't accomplished crap. That's BS. Those sanctions in the 90's were real sanctions that were meant to kill the program, and only a handful of coaches could have pulled off what Butch did. Does it sound like I living in the past? Maybe... But the man did prove he can win here, ---->CLEVELAND<----, and in NC.

What did he win in Cleveland and in NC?

 

[INCaneFan]

Killer post O.P.

The anti-BBB is on point in this thread.

Solid write-up on recruiting today versus years gone by. Add in collosal support staffs at many programs but our own, we need a coach, not some relic from the past.

Mark it down. If Butch is hired, not much will change. We'll still end up with top 20 classes and little to show for it.

 

[User-4525]

I think what your missing [MENTION=3355]WhatTheHell[/MENTION], is that recruits actually wanna play for Butch. I'll agree, Butch wasn't the best game day coach, but I think with him being an analyst, his understanding is different. I believe he will also put together a really good staff to cover over his deficiencies as a game day coach. He'll stock the cupboard full and get the program back going. Don't see what all the hate is about.

what recruits outside of Florida know about Butch right now? I'm sure he can sell them later on, but Butch Davis' brand isn't Nick Saban like - dont get it twisted

 

[Dwinstitles]

Killer post O.P.

The anti-BBB is on point in this thread.

Solid write-up on recruiting today versus years gone by. Add in collosal support staffs at many programs but our own, we need a coach, not some relic from the past.

Mark it down. If Butch is hired, not much will change. We'll still end up with top 20 classes and little to show for it.

U can book us landing the coopers cook leonard williams collins michel of the world. U mean to tell me cook would be good for wins vs fsu this year or cincy and other games? He would of raped them boys i mean with an ol though tjat was recruited by butch because he lands those too

 

[CaneInTheBrain]

The Church of Butch Davis followers have made the Golden Girls look tame by comparison. Good God get a hold of yourselves. I've never seen a group of people delude themselves this much. It's like one giant fish story that continues growing more exaggerated as they try to outmatch each other. The mythical tale of Butch Davis has reached hilarious levels.

Listen, if we strike out on established and accomplished college football coaches that have roamed a sideline within the last 5 years, I'm all for falling back on Butch Davis. But the delusional party tearing down more accomplished candidates to champion upright cadaver Butch Davis has reached satirical levels. I can't even tell who's joking and who's trying to outdo fellow members of the Church of Butch Davis anymore.

This reminds me of Florida fans demanding Steve Spurrier's return in 2005. They wanted to recapture the glory years and go with the familiar name. They were drunk off nostalgia and couldn't see straight. Luckily for them, their AD hired Urban Meyer and that "****amamie Mickey Mouse offense" of his, and he ran over the SEC and college football. 11 wins a year and 2 National Championships later, those fans dying to recapture the past and lacking the ability to adapt with the times and evolve are glad they were overruled by logic.

As you Butch Davis parishioners sit outside on the porch tonight, taking turns shouting "in my day!..." and clamoring for leather helmets and a "pro style offense," pray to your freckled God that men with more vision and foresight than you take control of this hire. Pray that they help turn Miami into a powerhouse once again, not an old man chasing past ghosts of greatness.

I find it hilarious that Fuente and Herman are off the table.

You must be crying on the inside.

 

[Juanka]

Who wouldn't want a Gary Patterson, Chip Kelly, or Mark Dantonio? What I don't get as how some can hate on Butch, start thread over thread on him on how he sucks, and hasn't accomplished crap. That's BS. Those sanctions in the 90's were real sanctions that were meant to kill the program, and only a handful of coaches could have pulled off what Butch did. Does it sound like I living in the past? Maybe... But the man did prove he can win here, ---->CLEVELAND<----, and in NC.

What did he win in Cleveland and in NC?

Did he not take Cleveland to the playoffs? Did not have winning seasons in North Carolina? That's winning there... Bill Belichick couldn't even take that team to the playoffs... And no man I am not saying Butch is better tan Belichick before you that, but the dude isn't a scrub like you point him out to be..

 

[fincane]

Killer post O.P.

The anti-BBB is on point in this thread.

Solid write-up on recruiting today versus years gone by. Add in collosal support staffs at many programs but our own, we need a coach, not some relic from the past.

Mark it down. If Butch is hired, not much will change. We'll still end up with top 20 classes and little to show for it.

U can book us landing the coopers cook leonard williams collins michel of the world. U mean to tell me cook would be good for wins vs fsu this year or cincy and other games? He would of raped them boys i mean with an ol though tjat was recruited by butch because he lands those too

Why would Butch have landed a Daytona Beach kid who went to USC? You're right Butch never had a south Florida kid leave, yet the 2001 starters were full of guys from outside the state. The starting offense had three guys from south Florida on it.

 

[INCaneFan]

Killer post O.P.

The anti-BBB is on point in this thread.

Solid write-up on recruiting today versus years gone by. Add in collosal support staffs at many programs but our own, we need a coach, not some relic from the past.

Mark it down. If Butch is hired, not much will change. We'll still end up with top 20 classes and little to show for it.

U can book us landing the coopers cook leonard williams collins michel of the world. U mean to tell me cook would be good for wins vs fsu this year or cincy and other games? He would of raped them boys i mean with an ol though tjat was recruited by butch because he lands those too

You can't just go back in time and say this or that.

Right now, we're dog****. FSU won the title two years ago. Cook went to the NC's, most in his place would've as well or somewhere comparable, which we're not right now. We'll have to prove we're more than just the local team, this isn't the days of yore.

Riddle me this. How could your deity not land one Dade kid in four years at UNC and only two from Broward with one from Palm Beach? Don't give me the it was UNC crap either, Strong landed a third of his team from this state at UofL. So way was the problem? Why would he clean up now when he could only get three tri-county guys in four years? A bunch of teams do better than that. Should we be interviewing those coaches?

 

[brock]

Miami has won 5 national titles, none with Butch Davis as the head man in charge. You can say 01 because those were his players but still. Miami has won championships without him. He didn't make the program which is what some of you act like he did... He is good, I'll take him if we strike out on the Homerun options available. He is ahead of a number of coaches for me though

 

[fincane]

Who wouldn't want a Gary Patterson, Chip Kelly, or Mark Dantonio? What I don't get as how some can hate on Butch, start thread over thread on him on how he sucks, and hasn't accomplished crap. That's BS. Those sanctions in the 90's were real sanctions that were meant to kill the program, and only a handful of coaches could have pulled off what Butch did. Does it sound like I living in the past? Maybe... But the man did prove he can win here, ---->CLEVELAND<----, and in NC.

What did he win in Cleveland and in NC?

Did he not take Cleveland to the playoffs? Did not have winning seasons in North Carolina? That's winning there... Bill Belichick couldn't even take that team to the playoffs... And no man I am not saying Butch is better tan Belichick before you that, but the dude isn't a scrub like you point him out to be..

He took them to the playoffs and had a 33-14 fourth quarter lead then went on to lose the game in regulation. Also Bill Belichick did make the playoffs in Cleveland. If 8 wins is winning at UNC, then what the **** do you call what Larry Fedora is doing there now?

 

[INCaneFan]

Who wouldn't want a Gary Patterson, Chip Kelly, or Mark Dantonio? What I don't get as how some can hate on Butch, start thread over thread on him on how he sucks, and hasn't accomplished crap. That's BS. Those sanctions in the 90's were real sanctions that were meant to kill the program, and only a handful of coaches could have pulled off what Butch did. Does it sound like I living in the past? Maybe... But the man did prove he can win here, ---->CLEVELAND<----, and in NC.

What did he win in Cleveland and in NC?

Did he not take Cleveland to the playoffs? Did not have winning seasons in North Carolina? That's winning there... Bill Belichick couldn't even take that team to the playoffs... And no man I am not saying Butch is better tan Belichick before you that, but the dude isn't a scrub like you point him out to be..

He had a worse conference record than all three of the guys we fired.

All three of those guys finished higher in the Coastal than he ever did, even Al freaking Golden.

He had more draft picks while at UNC than any school not named FSU.

He, like Golden, never beat his schools arch rival.

He hired a guy who was known as one of the dirtiest recruiters in the game, OG Batman Blake.

Need I go on?

Need I go on?

 

[Juanka]

Who wouldn't want a Gary Patterson, Chip Kelly, or Mark Dantonio? What I don't get as how some can hate on Butch, start thread over thread on him on how he sucks, and hasn't accomplished crap. That's BS. Those sanctions in the 90's were real sanctions that were meant to kill the program, and only a handful of coaches could have pulled off what Butch did. Does it sound like I living in the past? Maybe... But the man did prove he can win here, ---->CLEVELAND<----, and in NC.

What did he win in Cleveland and in NC?

Did he not take Cleveland to the playoffs? Did not have winning seasons in North Carolina? That's winning there... Bill Belichick couldn't even take that team to the playoffs... And no man I am not saying Butch is better tan Belichick before you that, but the dude isn't a scrub like you point him out to be..

He took them to the playoffs and had 33-14 fourth quarter lead then went on to lose the game in regulation. Also Bill Belichick did make the playoffs in Cleveland. If 8 wins is winning at UNC, then what the **** do you call what Larry Fedora is doing there now?

You are right in 1994, my fault. But who has Fedora played this season?

 

[deleted3746]

Who wouldn't want a Gary Patterson, Chip Kelly, or Mark Dantonio? What I don't get as how some can hate on Butch, start thread over thread on him on how he sucks, and hasn't accomplished crap. That's BS. Those sanctions in the 90's were real sanctions that were meant to kill the program, and only a handful of coaches could have pulled off what Butch did. Does it sound like I living in the past? Maybe... But the man did prove he can win here, ---->CLEVELAND<----, and in NC.

What did he win in Cleveland and in NC?

Did he not take Cleveland to the playoffs? Did not have winning seasons in North Carolina? That's winning there... Bill Belichick couldn't even take that team to the playoffs... And no man I am not saying Butch is better tan Belichick before you that, but the dude isn't a scrub like you point him out to be..

What was Butch's career record in Cleveland? Career playoff record in Cleveland?

What was Butch's career record at UNC? What about career ACC record?

 

[Juanka]

Who wouldn't want a Gary Patterson, Chip Kelly, or Mark Dantonio? What I don't get as how some can hate on Butch, start thread over thread on him on how he sucks, and hasn't accomplished crap. That's BS. Those sanctions in the 90's were real sanctions that were meant to kill the program, and only a handful of coaches could have pulled off what Butch did. Does it sound like I living in the past? Maybe... But the man did prove he can win here, ---->CLEVELAND<----, and in NC.

What did he win in Cleveland and in NC?

Did he not take Cleveland to the playoffs? Did not have winning seasons in North Carolina? That's winning there... Bill Belichick couldn't even take that team to the playoffs... And no man I am not saying Butch is better tan Belichick before you that, but the dude isn't a scrub like you point him out to be..

He had a worse conference record than all three of the guys we fired.

All three of those guys finished higher in the Coastal than he ever did, even Al freaking Golden.

He had more draft picks while at UNC than any school not named FSU.

He, like Golden, never beat his schools arch rival.

He hired a guy who was known as one of the dirtiest recruiters in the game, OG Batman Blake.

Need I go on?\

Please do. He hired Bruce Arians, Todd Bowells, Chud, Chuck Pagano, and Schiano. All ended up being future coaches. Are they scrubs as well?

What was his bowl record at Miami?

What was his D ranked at Dallas while as DC?

The year had all the draft picks at UNC wasn't it the same one were susp. happend?

GTFOH with BS comparing Al Golden to Butch... Conference record my ***.. I don't root a coach, and I want the best man for the job, but you just fckin hate the Canes if think this dude is worse than Al Golden

Yeah man he sucks

 

[FullyERicht]

I think what your missing [MENTION=3355]WhatTheHell[/MENTION], is that recruits actually wanna play for Butch. I'll agree, Butch wasn't the best game day coach, but I think with him being an analyst, his understanding is different. I believe he will also put together a really good staff to cover over his deficiencies as a game day coach. He'll stock the cupboard full and get the program back going. Don't see what all the hate is about.

what recruits outside of Florida know about Butch right now? I'm sure he can sell them later on, but Butch Davis' brand isn't Nick Saban like - dont get it twisted

People don't seem to realize that it isn't 1995 anymore where Butch can just show up to a kids house and be the only coach a kid can build a relationship with. Twitter, facebook, cellphones, instagram have leveled the relationship building field.

When people talk about the fence they don't understand what it was. We had a massive advantage of building relationships such that even when we were trash like in the late 70s and the mid 90s, we still pulled kids bc kids couldnt possibly get to know other staffs as well as ours.

Now if you want to win those kids, you have to do it on the field, not on facetime. It's absurd to think that the way things operated back in the pre cell phone age can continue to work. It's a harsh reality Randy and Golden both faced.

 

[Rellyrell]

I think what your missing [MENTION=3355]WhatTheHell[/MENTION], is that recruits actually wanna play for Butch. I'll agree, Butch wasn't the best game day coach, but I think with him being an analyst, his understanding is different. I believe he will also put together a really good staff to cover over his deficiencies as a game day coach. He'll stock the cupboard full and get the program back going. Don't see what all the hate is about.

The hate stems from the fact that most of the Butch Zombies would take Butch over Chip Kelly or similar.

That is about as delusional as you can get.

That's pretty much where I'm at.

I have Butch just after Chip, Gundy, and Mullen. He's in my top 5. I'm just pointing out and laughing at the cult members who have worked themselves into such a frenzy that they attempt to tear down more accomplish coaches to prop up Butch. It's bordering on insanity at this point.

Yearning for glory and focusing on the past has led to a romanticizing of Butch that has turned him into some mythical figure who descended down to Coral Gables from Mount Olympus. Time and nostalgia are a dangerous thing. We're dealing with an idealized version of Butch created out of desperation to recapture something in this program's past.

I'm with BBB, but I'm also not delusional to the point that if Chip is available, you gotta go get him. My only concern w Kelly is his defensive scheme and he's always have to be the smartest guy in the room. If he can hire a good defensive staff, then we roll. I think why some are clamoring for Butch is b/c of his hunger to finish what he started and he wants to fix the issues here. But, if Gundy or Chip is available, or Patterson, you gotta swing for the fence with them...,if we strike out, then a ground rule double hire in Butch ain't bad.

 

[deleted3746]

Who wouldn't want a Gary Patterson, Chip Kelly, or Mark Dantonio? What I don't get as how some can hate on Butch, start thread over thread on him on how he sucks, and hasn't accomplished crap. That's BS. Those sanctions in the 90's were real sanctions that were meant to kill the program, and only a handful of coaches could have pulled off what Butch did. Does it sound like I living in the past? Maybe... But the man did prove he can win here, ---->CLEVELAND<----, and in NC.

What did he win in Cleveland and in NC?

Did he not take Cleveland to the playoffs? Did not have winning seasons in North Carolina? That's winning there... Bill Belichick couldn't even take that team to the playoffs... And no man I am not saying Butch is better tan Belichick before you that, but the dude isn't a scrub like you point him out to be..

He had a worse conference record than all three of the guys we fired.

All three of those guys finished higher in the Coastal than he ever did, even Al freaking Golden.

He had more draft picks while at UNC than any school not named FSU.

He, like Golden, never beat his schools arch rival.

He hired a guy who was known as one of the dirtiest recruiters in the game, OG Batman Blake.

Need I go on?\

Please do. He hired Bruce Arians, Todd Bowells, Chud, Chuck Pagano, and Schiano. All ended up being future coaches. Are they scrubs as well?

What was his bowl record at Miami?

What was his D ranked at Dallas while as DC?

The year had all the draft picks at UNC wasn't it the same one were susp. happend?

GTFOH with BS comparing Al Golden to Butch... Conference record my ***.. I don't root a coach, and I want the best man for the job, but you just fckin hate the Canes if think this dude is worse than Al Golden

Yeah man he sucks

Just stop already.

 

[Rellyrell]

Miami has won 5 national titles, none with Butch Davis as the head man in charge. You can say 01 because those were his players but still. Miami has won championships without him. He didn't make the program which is what some of you act like he did... He is good, I'll take him if we strike out on the Homerun options available. He is ahead of a number of coaches for me though

Brock, real question...do u remember the program in 1995-96?

 

[Rellyrell]

I think what your missing [MENTION=3355]WhatTheHell[/MENTION], is that recruits actually wanna play for Butch. I'll agree, Butch wasn't the best game day coach, but I think with him being an analyst, his understanding is different. I believe he will also put together a really good staff to cover over his deficiencies as a game day coach. He'll stock the cupboard full and get the program back going. Don't see what all the hate is about.

what recruits outside of Florida know about Butch right now? I'm sure he can sell them later on, but Butch Davis' brand isn't Nick Saban like - dont get it twisted

Anyone who's seen the U part 2