Welcome to the desert, FSU

[SayWhat]

Francois would've changed the outcome of two, possibly three games this year for sure. They would've beaten Louisville and NC State. Our game, we would've had to show a lot more than we did to come out with the win.

Bama they got beat, end of story. Clemson looked a lot worse than it was as it was a 3 point game with under four to go. Boston College, they just seemed to not show up.

We will see what happens, but I'm not going to count them out yet. Even when one of us is down, we can have some silly matchups with crazy outcomes. They sure as heck won't vanish though, that much I am certain of.

 

[TheEye]

There may have been posts along these lines already, but I really think FSU's days as a dominant force are over for the time being. I think Taggart comes in and gets off to a hot start in 2018 with guys who were recruited and coached by Fisher & Co, lots of excitement and momentum etc, and then it slowly starts to drop off. His coaching staff isn't elite and I don't think Taggart is elite.

He's going to be like Shannon/Golden was for us - solid recruiter capable of landing the good 3*, a bunch of 4* and the occasional 5* DE or something, but like Shannon/Golden, their development will be far below their potential as players.

He'll be out in 4-5 years and FSU will go for the next hot G5 coach, rinse and repeat.

We're about to turn that 7 year losing streak around on them. FSU goes 9-4 this season, 8-5 the next, on down from there.

I may be wrong, but I really don't think I am.

Man, you think they go 9-4 in Taggart's first season? That's optimistic coming off of a 7-6 season. They will lose to VT, ND, Clemson, Louisville and Miami. That's not accounting for the random flub they'll make.

 

[timepiece]

Wishful thinking

 

[CaneOil]

They were already fading under Jimbo like we were under Dennis after his recruiting took over. Jimbo's recruiting seemed great but after Rapist left Cook was the whole offense despite all those star recruits. Defense became a couple big time players but not strong across the board like earlier. I doubt wee little willie will be able to turn it around and certainly not fast. They rose doing our down time and even UFs decline -- easy pickings on signing day. Now we are back in the game and thier of the pie has been sliced much smaller. That is why I think Jimbo ran. There is only enough talent in FL for one and one half dominant teams, or maybe just one. Back in the day, it could support two with another in transition but with the increased poaching from out of state, those days are over. Now, there can be only one.

Yup, that's one of the reasons Jimbo bailed. The writing is on the wall.

 

[deleted18380]

There may have been posts along these lines already, but I really think FSU's days as a dominant force are over for the time being. I think Taggart comes in and gets off to a hot start in 2018 with guys who were recruited and coached by Fisher & Co, lots of excitement and momentum etc, and then it slowly starts to drop off. His coaching staff isn't elite and I don't think Taggart is elite.

He's going to be like Shannon/Golden was for us - solid recruiter capable of landing the good 3*, a bunch of 4* and the occasional 5* DE or something, but like Shannon/Golden, their development will be far below their potential as players.

He'll be out in 4-5 years and FSU will go for the next hot G5 coach, rinse and repeat.

We're about to turn that 7 year losing streak around on them. FSU goes 9-4 this season, 8-5 the next, on down from there.

I may be wrong, but I really don't think I am.

Man, you think they go 9-4 in Taggart's first season? That's optimistic coming off of a 7-6 season. They will lose to VT, ND, Clemson, Louisville and Miami. That's not accounting for the random flub they'll make.

You may be very right. I'm optimistic about their first year record solely because you can't predict things that will help a team overachieve - things like Taggart's energy coaching at the school he grew up pulling for, Fisher's boys looking for redemption all fired up under a new coach, etc. Those are the things that can propel a team for a season, but they don't last.

If those intangibles aren't there and his and his staff's mediocre coaching shows immediately, then your prediction is dead on - 7-5 next year; possibly worse. It really could go either way. I was really trying to account for intangibles...either way, we just swapped places with FSU. The 7 year losing streak is about to be theirs.

 

[SmokeyRone]

Things could go south early. I'd love to see a loss vs VT and a QB controversy plaguing Taggert early.

We really need to double down on them in '18.

Kick in the door, and the whole rotting structure will come crumbling down! *


*Yes, I quoted Der Fuhrer.

 

[TheEye]

There may have been posts along these lines already, but I really think FSU's days as a dominant force are over for the time being. I think Taggart comes in and gets off to a hot start in 2018 with guys who were recruited and coached by Fisher & Co, lots of excitement and momentum etc, and then it slowly starts to drop off. His coaching staff isn't elite and I don't think Taggart is elite.

He's going to be like Shannon/Golden was for us - solid recruiter capable of landing the good 3*, a bunch of 4* and the occasional 5* DE or something, but like Shannon/Golden, their development will be far below their potential as players.

He'll be out in 4-5 years and FSU will go for the next hot G5 coach, rinse and repeat.

We're about to turn that 7 year losing streak around on them. FSU goes 9-4 this season, 8-5 the next, on down from there.

I may be wrong, but I really don't think I am.

Man, you think they go 9-4 in Taggart's first season? That's optimistic coming off of a 7-6 season. They will lose to VT, ND, Clemson, Louisville and Miami. That's not accounting for the random flub they'll make.

You may be very right. I'm optimistic about their first year record solely because you can't predict things that will help a team overachieve - things like Taggart's energy coaching at the school he grew up pulling for, Fisher's boys looking for redemption all fired up under a new coach, etc. Those are the things that can propel a team for a season, but they don't last.

If those intangibles aren't there and his and his staff's mediocre coaching shows immediately, then your prediction is dead on - 7-5 next year; possibly worse. It really could go either way. I was really trying to account for intangibles...either way, we just swapped places with FSU. The 7 year losing streak is about to be theirs.

It's rare for a coach to get more wins in his first year than his predecessor. Usually they have to implement their own system and that takes adjustment. Since Jimbo has a Championship ring, I'm going to compare him to Meyer for comparison. Meyer bolts after an 8 win season in 2010. Muschamp takes over and only wins 7. Next year he gets 11 but slides down. Replaced by McElwain. Immediate improvement and then fired before the end of his 3rd season.

 

[SmokeyRone]

There may have been posts along these lines already, but I really think FSU's days as a dominant force are over for the time being. I think Taggart comes in and gets off to a hot start in 2018 with guys who were recruited and coached by Fisher & Co, lots of excitement and momentum etc, and then it slowly starts to drop off. His coaching staff isn't elite and I don't think Taggart is elite.

He's going to be like Shannon/Golden was for us - solid recruiter capable of landing the good 3*, a bunch of 4* and the occasional 5* DE or something, but like Shannon/Golden, their development will be far below their potential as players.

He'll be out in 4-5 years and FSU will go for the next hot G5 coach, rinse and repeat.

We're about to turn that 7 year losing streak around on them. FSU goes 9-4 this season, 8-5 the next, on down from there.

I may be wrong, but I really don't think I am.

Man, you think they go 9-4 in Taggart's first season? That's optimistic coming off of a 7-6 season. They will lose to VT, ND, Clemson, Louisville and Miami. That's not accounting for the random flub they'll make.

Unfortunately, I think they beat VT, who never beats anyone (besides us). UL will be worse in '18. They are talented enough to win a whole lot of games. They could be favored in 11 of 12 (well, maybe 10 as we probably give points at home, though they might have a better QB than us).

Gotta count of the Taggert The Clown Show. Very glad they dont have Jimbo anymore.

 

[Gatorhater]

They were already fading under Jimbo like we were under Dennis after his recruiting took over. Jimbo's recruiting seemed great but after Rapist left Cook was the whole offense despite all those star recruits. Defense became a couple big time players but not strong across the board like earlier. I doubt wee little willie will be able to turn it around and certainly not fast. They rose doing our down time and even UFs decline -- easy pickings on signing day. Now we are back in the game and thier of the pie has been sliced much smaller. That is why I think Jimbo ran. There is only enough talent in FL for one and one half dominant teams, or maybe just one. Back in the day, it could support two with another in transition but with the increased poaching from out of state, those days are over. Now, there can be only one.

There is only enough talent in the state to support 1 1/2 dominant teams.CaneInsight

said awhile back every year 150 D-1 recruits come out of SE three counties in Fl.My
opinion,if a team got there pick of top 25 recruits from these three counties,top five
program every year.

D1only is not good enough if you want to rule D1. You need those top 25 you speak of, but nobody gets them. Maybe we use to but we were down too long and the enemy has set up camp. When we did, the other two schools we second class to us. There was never enough for all three to be top. One might be better than the rest of the country, like nole were for so long, but not better than us. If we do get the best 25 we go back to glory days but not if we only get 10 or 15 of them. The other schools like Bama have to be denied the top 25 so they are weaker.

 

[ddann]

either way, we just swapped places with FSU. The 7 year losing streak is about to be theirs.

I am in favor of this.

 

[Morrisey]

There may have been posts along these lines already, but I really think FSU's days as a dominant force are over for the time being. I think Taggart comes in and gets off to a hot start in 2018 with guys who were recruited and coached by Fisher & Co, lots of excitement and momentum etc, and then it slowly starts to drop off. His coaching staff isn't elite and I don't think Taggart is elite.

He's going to be like Shannon/Golden was for us - solid recruiter capable of landing the good 3*, a bunch of 4* and the occasional 5* DE or something, but like Shannon/Golden, their development will be far below their potential as players.

He'll be out in 4-5 years and FSU will go for the next hot G5 coach, rinse and repeat.

We're about to turn that 7 year losing streak around on them. FSU goes 9-4 this season, 8-5 the next, on down from there.

I may be wrong, but I really don't think I am.

He won't even get off to a hot start. The roster is depleted and was overrated to begin with.

 

[Morrisey]

The biggest issue I see for them is exactly what plagued us: lack of administrative commitment. Jimbo was already having issues getting the administration to shell out for assistants. Although people hated working for Jimbo they still saw it as a career stepping stone and would come spend a few years. Taggert won't have that advantage and I have never gotten the sense there is a strong enough FSU alumni base that will pony up the big bucks in the same way LSU, Texas, and Bama will.

Without good support and infrastructure FSU will fall behind. It happened to us for a decade as the rest of the college football world passed us by and it is now happening at FSU and UF. That is why I am so thankful for Richt. He is a true program CEO that will leave the program in great shape regardless of winning the big one (which I believe we will do).

This is silly.

They don't have as deep of pockets as Florida but those people at FSU desperately want to win. They do everything they can (up to and including ignoring possible rape) to win football games.

Don't underestimate sheer incompetence.

It's not a lack of "want to" in Tallahassee.

 

[deleted18380]

If you guys want a good laugh, google "Meet Florida State's new coaching staff." (Resist the urge to type "corching" staff.) This Tomahawk Nation article popped up in my Apple News feed this morning. It reads like an obituary.

He's basically Al Golden 2.0 - it's just all his buddies from WKU. Nepotism - it never works, guys. Ever.

 

[section9]

After two years of Taggart, FSU will be us in 2006.

I tried to tell Singleshot on Twitter that these things go in cycles and that Jimbo would leave (at the time, I thought he was going to the Jags), but he was too busy drinking the Noleaid to listen.

 

[TheEye]

They still can't hire an OC?

 

[Meat]

FSU was Bobby Bowden. Bobby Bowden made FSU. Jimbo Fischer was Bowden's OC and hand-picked successor, and so I consider that a continuation of the Bowden years and legacy.

FSU will start to lose a lot of games... but that's just FSU returning to their norm. They're just returning to who they've always been, before Bowden showed up.

Florida State is barely in the state of Florida. It's a mediocre public university located in the heart of the South. It's nearest neighbors - Georgia, Alabama, Auburn.... they all have 10x as much money, 10x the facilities, and 10x the fan support that FSU has.

Their program is about to sink to new lows.

Oh, and Taggart is garbage. I saw enough of Taggart at USF back when he was losing to Al Golden to know that Willie Taggart is below average.

 

[jhtheking]

There may have been posts along these lines already, but I really think FSU's days as a dominant force are over for the time being. I think Taggart comes in and gets off to a hot start in 2018 with guys who were recruited and coached by Fisher & Co, lots of excitement and momentum etc, and then it slowly starts to drop off. His coaching staff isn't elite and I don't think Taggart is elite.

He's going to be like Shannon/Golden was for us - solid recruiter capable of landing the good 3*, a bunch of 4* and the occasional 5* DE or something, but like Shannon/Golden, their development will be far below their potential as players.

He'll be out in 4-5 years and FSU will go for the next hot G5 coach, rinse and repeat.

We're about to turn that 7 year losing streak around on them. FSU goes 9-4 this season, 8-5 the next, on down from there.

I may be wrong, but I really don't think I am.

I agree with your post, but not this. Why did we ever think they were good recruiters? Only one "good" class in their combined years. And I say "good" because that #1 ranking was only because we took 32 players that year, half of which were 3 stars or lower.

 

[deleted18380]

There may have been posts along these lines already, but I really think FSU's days as a dominant force are over for the time being. I think Taggart comes in and gets off to a hot start in 2018 with guys who were recruited and coached by Fisher & Co, lots of excitement and momentum etc, and then it slowly starts to drop off. His coaching staff isn't elite and I don't think Taggart is elite.

He's going to be like Shannon/Golden was for us - solid recruiter capable of landing the good 3*, a bunch of 4* and the occasional 5* DE or something, but like Shannon/Golden, their development will be far below their potential as players.

He'll be out in 4-5 years and FSU will go for the next hot G5 coach, rinse and repeat.

We're about to turn that 7 year losing streak around on them. FSU goes 9-4 this season, 8-5 the next, on down from there.

I may be wrong, but I really don't think I am.

I agree with your post, but not this. Why did we ever think they were good recruiters? Only one "good" class in their combined years. And I say "good" because that #1 ranking was only because we took 32 players that year, half of which were 3 stars or lower.

They were good...not great. They consistently had decent enough classes in the top 20s and teens to win far more games than they did. Shannon consistently landed a lot of highly ranked players, and then they'd just go on to play far below their potential. I mean...we had Teddy Bridgewater until Shannon got fired. Not to say that he's the marker of great recruiting or anything, but Golden and Shannon weren't bad by any stretch. Their teams played far below their potential.

True, Golden did overload classes with tons of 3*, but history has shown that stars only mean so much. We have always had players that should have done way more than they did. That just falls on their garbage coaching.

All that to say, I think that's what Taggart will be for FSU.

 

[Hemsleysalmons]

The demise of FSU football is hypothetical. Posters seem to be over whelmingly positive that FSU will be lousy under Taggart. This remains to be seen. As usual posters express their two cents without any facts. It seems to me contents of their posts based on their hate of our number 1 rival. I also despise them but am unable to predict that FSU will be lousy during Taggart's reign.

 

[Ispyin]

They were already fading under Jimbo like we were under Dennis after his recruiting took over. Jimbo's recruiting seemed great but after Rapist left Cook was the whole offense despite all those star recruits. Defense became a couple big time players but not strong across the board like earlier. I doubt wee little willie will be able to turn it around and certainly not fast. They rose doing our down time and even UFs decline -- easy pickings on signing day. Now we are back in the game and thier of the pie has been sliced much smaller. That is why I think Jimbo ran. There is only enough talent in FL for one and one half dominant teams, or maybe just one. Back in the day, it could support two with another in transition but with the increased poaching from out of state, those days are over. Now, there can be only one.

There is only enough talent in the state to support 1 1/2 dominant teams.CaneInsight

said awhile back every year 150 D-1 recruits come out of SE three counties in Fl.My
opinion,if a team got there pick of top 25 recruits from these three counties,top five
program every year.

history shows you are factually wrong.