Welcome to the desert, FSU

[gogeta4]

FSU will forever be a better program than the UGA's and Auburns of the world

 

[Meat]

The demise of FSU football is hypothetical. Posters seem to be over whelmingly positive that FSU will be lousy under Taggart. This remains to be seen. As usual posters express their two cents without any facts. It seems to me contents of their posts based on their hate of our number 1 rival. I also despise them but am unable to predict that FSU will be lousy during Taggart's reign.

Taggart lost to Al Golden.

 

[1mg of Epi]

The biggest issue I see for them is exactly what plagued us: lack of administrative commitment. Jimbo was already having issues getting the administration to shell out for assistants. Although people hated working for Jimbo they still saw it as a career stepping stone and would come spend a few years. Taggert won't have that advantage and I have never gotten the sense there is a strong enough FSU alumni base that will pony up the big bucks in the same way LSU, Texas, and Bama will.

Without good support and infrastructure FSU will fall behind. It happened to us for a decade as the rest of the college football world passed us by and it is now happening at FSU and UF. That is why I am so thankful for Richt. He is a true program CEO that will leave the program in great shape regardless of winning the big one (which I believe we will do).

Wrong.

They have the financial backing and facilities that are good enough. That won’t be his excuse for his downfall.

Willy is unrustworthy and that is his major downfall. In recruiting coaches and in recruiting players.

He won’t recruit on a level to keep up with Rick and that will be his downfall - sure he’ll get some players, but he’ll be a couple of steps behind even if he manages to recover from this season’s recruiting disaster.

Secondly, his staff looks to be barely adequate. What that will get you is barely adequate player development and barely adequate results. He can’t get the staff he wants not because of lack of administrative support, but because people don’t trust him.

What OP proposes is an ideal scenario, 5 to 6 years of 8-5 type seasons where he doesn’t get fired, and just keeps chugging along while we clean up in recruiting. I like this scenario.

What’s the deal with his trustworthiness? I’ve seen several references to it here, but no backstory.

 

[jhtheking]

There may have been posts along these lines already, but I really think FSU's days as a dominant force are over for the time being. I think Taggart comes in and gets off to a hot start in 2018 with guys who were recruited and coached by Fisher & Co, lots of excitement and momentum etc, and then it slowly starts to drop off. His coaching staff isn't elite and I don't think Taggart is elite.

He's going to be like Shannon/Golden was for us - solid recruiter capable of landing the good 3*, a bunch of 4* and the occasional 5* DE or something, but like Shannon/Golden, their development will be far below their potential as players.

He'll be out in 4-5 years and FSU will go for the next hot G5 coach, rinse and repeat.

We're about to turn that 7 year losing streak around on them. FSU goes 9-4 this season, 8-5 the next, on down from there.

I may be wrong, but I really don't think I am.

I agree with your post, but not this. Why did we ever think they were good recruiters? Only one "good" class in their combined years. And I say "good" because that #1 ranking was only because we took 32 players that year, half of which were 3 stars or lower.

They were good...not great. They consistently had decent enough classes in the top 20s and teens to win far more games than they did. Shannon consistently landed a lot of highly ranked players, and then they'd just go on to play far below their potential. I mean...we had Teddy Bridgewater until Shannon got fired. Not to say that he's the marker of great recruiting or anything, but Golden and Shannon weren't bad by any stretch. Their teams played far below their potential.

True, Golden did overload classes with tons of 3*, but history has shown that stars only mean so much. We have always had players that should have done way more than they did. That just falls on their garbage coaching.

All that to say, I think that's what Taggart will be for FSU.

Well every college to win the championship for at least the last 11+ years has had at least 50% of their roster consist of 4 and 5 stars. But definitely agree that they were good and not great recruiters.

 

[StoneWallLoungeCane]

FSU will suck as long as they have Taggart. When they get a new coach who can copy Miami again, they’ll be OK.

 

[pumbaa]

The biggest issue I see for them is exactly what plagued us: lack of administrative commitment. Jimbo was already having issues getting the administration to shell out for assistants. Although people hated working for Jimbo they still saw it as a career stepping stone and would come spend a few years. Taggert won't have that advantage and I have never gotten the sense there is a strong enough FSU alumni base that will pony up the big bucks in the same way LSU, Texas, and Bama will.

Without good support and infrastructure FSU will fall behind. It happened to us for a decade as the rest of the college football world passed us by and it is now happening at FSU and UF. That is why I am so thankful for Richt. He is a true program CEO that will leave the program in great shape regardless of winning the big one (which I believe we will do).

Wrong.

They have the financial backing and facilities that are good enough. That won’t be his excuse for his downfall.

Willy is unrustworthy and that is his major downfall. In recruiting coaches and in recruiting players.

He won’t recruit on a level to keep up with Rick and that will be his downfall - sure he’ll get some players, but he’ll be a couple of steps behind even if he manages to recover from this season’s recruiting disaster.

Secondly, his staff looks to be barely adequate. What that will get you is barely adequate player development and barely adequate results. He can’t get the staff he wants not because of lack of administrative support, but because people don’t trust him.

What OP proposes is an ideal scenario, 5 to 6 years of 8-5 type seasons where he doesn’t get fired, and just keeps chugging along while we clean up in recruiting. I like this scenario.

What’s the deal with his trustworthiness? I’ve seen several references to it here, but no backstory.

3 coaching jobs in 365 days, bringing in a S&C coach that almost killed 3 people, and thats what the public knows.

 

[1mg of Epi]

The biggest issue I see for them is exactly what plagued us: lack of administrative commitment. Jimbo was already having issues getting the administration to shell out for assistants. Although people hated working for Jimbo they still saw it as a career stepping stone and would come spend a few years. Taggert won't have that advantage and I have never gotten the sense there is a strong enough FSU alumni base that will pony up the big bucks in the same way LSU, Texas, and Bama will.

Without good support and infrastructure FSU will fall behind. It happened to us for a decade as the rest of the college football world passed us by and it is now happening at FSU and UF. That is why I am so thankful for Richt. He is a true program CEO that will leave the program in great shape regardless of winning the big one (which I believe we will do).

Wrong.

They have the financial backing and facilities that are good enough. That won’t be his excuse for his downfall.

Willy is unrustworthy and that is his major downfall. In recruiting coaches and in recruiting players.

He won’t recruit on a level to keep up with Rick and that will be his downfall - sure he’ll get some players, but he’ll be a couple of steps behind even if he manages to recover from this season’s recruiting disaster.

Secondly, his staff looks to be barely adequate. What that will get you is barely adequate player development and barely adequate results. He can’t get the staff he wants not because of lack of administrative support, but because people don’t trust him.

What OP proposes is an ideal scenario, 5 to 6 years of 8-5 type seasons where he doesn’t get fired, and just keeps chugging along while we clean up in recruiting. I like this scenario.

What’s the deal with his trustworthiness? I’ve seen several references to it here, but no backstory.

3 coaching jobs in 365 days, bringing in a S&C coach that almost killed 3 people, and thats what the public knows.

Got it! Thx.