Weakness In Richt's Recruiting While At UGA?

[MIATL]

I can tell you this as I have lived here for the past 16 years.

Georgia (The Atl area) isnt like SFL. In SFL a majority of the people are from Florida. You see Miami and UF and FSU everywhere.

In the Atl area its seems like most people are from somewhere else. So many transplants. There are so many other teams represented here. You see tons of Alabama fans, Clemson fans, FSU fans, UF fans, Ole Miss fans, LSU fans, South Carolina fans, OSU fans.

I bet I run into more UF fans than I do G tech fans. I even run into plenty of UM fans.

In my neighborhood people fly their flags in their yards and there are more Clemson, Florida and Alabama flags than there are Georgia flags. I bet there are more Michigan flags than GTech.

I am strictly talking about the ATL area because stay out of the sticks but the ATL area is where most of the recruits come out of.

Agree with this.

It's why I never knocked Richt for not being able to keep most of the top talent.

But wanting Cam newton to play TE is a HUGE error, IMO. So is the miss on Deshaun Watson. Those guys are difference makers on offense, and they could have been had if they were priorities, IMO.

Lets be fair....

Who would you rather have as your QB? Tim Tebow or Cam Newton.

Because Cam was on Florida while being coached by Urban when Tebow got the starting nod.

Hindsight is always twenty twenty.

Also with Watson he committed to Clemson early on, the 10th grade. He camped and they loved him and were on him from the beginning. They are the main reason that kid beleived in hmself at a time when he was having a rought life. He basically shut it down and made it clear he wasnt going anywhere else. Gainesville Ga is basically a Clemson clone and Clemson is about as close to Gainesville as Georgia is. Richt and Bobo worked their asses off trying to land Watson but this is a character kid who wasnt about to break his relationship with Sweeney after how he was there for him thru so much. Much respect for that kid.

I didn't know the Watson background stuff. I get that, and respect it.

But I know Gainesville's proximity to UGA ... No way Clemson should have been on him first, IMO. I suspect it had more to do with Watson fitting Clemson's style of offense more than he fit at UGA.

The same with Cam ... A "potential weakness" for Richt might be identifying kids who aren't exact fits for what he prefers. With Cam and/or Watson at UGA, the narrative on Richt might be completely different ...

 

[MIATL]

I don't know anything really about how much of Georgia he was able to lock down and all that. What I do know though is Georgia Tech was able to get Calvin Johnson, Demaryius Thomas, Stephen Hill, etc at Wr. I assume those guys are all from Georgia. Those guys are also absolute physical freaks, and chose to go to an offense that runs the speed option offense. If he let those guys go to an in state rival, that would be a little dissapointing. Although, he did get AJ Green, so maybe it's a wash. I'm sure he won way more battles over recruits than GTech did.

Paul Johnson inherited Calvin Johnson and Thomas.

They were recruited by Chan Gailey, but your larger point still stands.

 

[clg003]

I can tell you this as I have lived here for the past 16 years.

Georgia (The Atl area) isnt like SFL. In SFL a majority of the people are from Florida. You see Miami and UF and FSU everywhere.

In the Atl area its seems like most people are from somewhere else. So many transplants. There are so many other teams represented here. You see tons of Alabama fans, Clemson fans, FSU fans, UF fans, Ole Miss fans, LSU fans, South Carolina fans, OSU fans.

I bet I run into more UF fans than I do G tech fans. I even run into plenty of UM fans.

In my neighborhood people fly their flags in their yards and there are more Clemson, Florida and Alabama flags than there are Georgia flags. I bet there are more Michigan flags than GTech.

I am strictly talking about the ATL area because stay out of the sticks but the ATL area is where most of the recruits come out of.

Agree with this.

It's why I never knocked Richt for not being able to keep most of the top talent.

But wanting Cam newton to play TE is a HUGE error, IMO. So is the miss on Deshaun Watson. Those guys are difference makers on offense, and they could have been had if they were priorities, IMO.

Lets be fair....

Who would you rather have as your QB? Tim Tebow or Cam Newton.

Because Cam was on Florida while being coached by Urban when Tebow got the starting nod.

Hindsight is always twenty twenty.

Also with Watson he committed to Clemson early on, the 10th grade. He camped and they loved him and were on him from the beginning. They are the main reason that kid beleived in hmself at a time when he was having a rought life. He basically shut it down and made it clear he wasnt going anywhere else. Gainesville Ga is basically a Clemson clone and Clemson is about as close to Gainesville as Georgia is. Richt and Bobo worked their asses off trying to land Watson but this is a character kid who wasnt about to break his relationship with Sweeney after how he was there for him thru so much. Much respect for that kid.

I didn't know the Watson background stuff. I get that, and respect it.

But I know Gainesville's proximity to UGA ... No way Clemson should have been on him first, IMO. I suspect it had more to do with Watson fitting Clemson's style of offense more than he fit at UGA.

The same with Cam ... A "potential weakness" for Richt might be identifying kids who aren't exact fits for what he prefers. With Cam and/or Watson at UGA, the narrative on Richt might be completely different ...

Yeah but the point about Cam was that no one knew what he was. Not even Urban.

 

[MIATL]

I can tell you this as I have lived here for the past 16 years.

Georgia (The Atl area) isnt like SFL. In SFL a majority of the people are from Florida. You see Miami and UF and FSU everywhere.

In the Atl area its seems like most people are from somewhere else. So many transplants. There are so many other teams represented here. You see tons of Alabama fans, Clemson fans, FSU fans, UF fans, Ole Miss fans, LSU fans, South Carolina fans, OSU fans.

I bet I run into more UF fans than I do G tech fans. I even run into plenty of UM fans.

In my neighborhood people fly their flags in their yards and there are more Clemson, Florida and Alabama flags than there are Georgia flags. I bet there are more Michigan flags than GTech.

I am strictly talking about the ATL area because stay out of the sticks but the ATL area is where most of the recruits come out of.

Agree with this.

It's why I never knocked Richt for not being able to keep most of the top talent.

But wanting Cam newton to play TE is a HUGE error, IMO. So is the miss on Deshaun Watson. Those guys are difference makers on offense, and they could have been had if they were priorities, IMO.

Lets be fair....

Who would you rather have as your QB? Tim Tebow or Cam Newton.

Because Cam was on Florida while being coached by Urban when Tebow got the starting nod.

Hindsight is always twenty twenty.

Also with Watson he committed to Clemson early on, the 10th grade. He camped and they loved him and were on him from the beginning. They are the main reason that kid beleived in hmself at a time when he was having a rought life. He basically shut it down and made it clear he wasnt going anywhere else. Gainesville Ga is basically a Clemson clone and Clemson is about as close to Gainesville as Georgia is. Richt and Bobo worked their asses off trying to land Watson but this is a character kid who wasnt about to break his relationship with Sweeney after how he was there for him thru so much. Much respect for that kid.

I didn't know the Watson background stuff. I get that, and respect it.

But I know Gainesville's proximity to UGA ... No way Clemson should have been on him first, IMO. I suspect it had more to do with Watson fitting Clemson's style of offense more than he fit at UGA.

The same with Cam ... A "potential weakness" for Richt might be identifying kids who aren't exact fits for what he prefers. With Cam and/or Watson at UGA, the narrative on Richt might be completely different ...

Yeah but the point about Cam was that no one knew what he was. Not even Urban.

Not sure that's accurate ... Newton was a 5-star recruit. Number 2 QB in the nation, number 2 player in the state (behind Eric Berry), and number 28 player in the country.

Cameron Newton - Yahoo! Sports

Cam Newton wasn't some "under the radar" find, or a late bloomer ... He was a kid UGA wanted to play at TE.

 

[jkaz1]

And Miami wanted Marshall Faulk as a DB....

And Penn St. wanted Jim Kelly at LB....

Sometimes players are better at other positions...

Agree with this.

It's why I never knocked Richt for not being able to keep most of the top talent.

But wanting Cam newton to play TE is a HUGE error, IMO. So is the miss on Deshaun Watson. Those guys are difference makers on offense, and they could have been had if they were priorities, IMO.

Lets be fair....

Who would you rather have as your QB? Tim Tebow or Cam Newton.

Because Cam was on Florida while being coached by Urban when Tebow got the starting nod.

Hindsight is always twenty twenty.

Also with Watson he committed to Clemson early on, the 10th grade. He camped and they loved him and were on him from the beginning. They are the main reason that kid beleived in hmself at a time when he was having a rought life. He basically shut it down and made it clear he wasnt going anywhere else. Gainesville Ga is basically a Clemson clone and Clemson is about as close to Gainesville as Georgia is. Richt and Bobo worked their asses off trying to land Watson but this is a character kid who wasnt about to break his relationship with Sweeney after how he was there for him thru so much. Much respect for that kid.

I didn't know the Watson background stuff. I get that, and respect it.

But I know Gainesville's proximity to UGA ... No way Clemson should have been on him first, IMO. I suspect it had more to do with Watson fitting Clemson's style of offense more than he fit at UGA.

The same with Cam ... A "potential weakness" for Richt might be identifying kids who aren't exact fits for what he prefers. With Cam and/or Watson at UGA, the narrative on Richt might be completely different ...

Yeah but the point about Cam was that no one knew what he was. Not even Urban.

Not sure that's accurate ... Newton was a 5-star recruit. Number 2 QB in the nation, number 2 player in the state (behind Eric Berry), and number 28 player in the country.

Cameron Newton - Yahoo! Sports

Cam Newton wasn't some "under the radar" find, or a late bloomer ... He was a kid UGA wanted to play at TE.

 

[Shinyheadman]

Post AJ Green, he had trouble getting elite WRs.

In my eyes though, if you are a wide receiver do you really wanna go to Georgia? It is a school that is never really known for it's QB's or passing game, rather the opposite.

 

[Canedog]

O-line, DTs, and QB have been crootin problem areas at Georgia recently. The class he was about to bring in before being so rudely interrupted was going to go along way towards fixing dat.

 

[Shinyheadman]

Agree with this.

It's why I never knocked Richt for not being able to keep most of the top talent.

But wanting Cam newton to play TE is a HUGE error, IMO. So is the miss on Deshaun Watson. Those guys are difference makers on offense, and they could have been had if they were priorities, IMO.

Lets be fair....

Who would you rather have as your QB? Tim Tebow or Cam Newton.

Because Cam was on Florida while being coached by Urban when Tebow got the starting nod.

Hindsight is always twenty twenty.

Also with Watson he committed to Clemson early on, the 10th grade. He camped and they loved him and were on him from the beginning. They are the main reason that kid beleived in hmself at a time when he was having a rought life. He basically shut it down and made it clear he wasnt going anywhere else. Gainesville Ga is basically a Clemson clone and Clemson is about as close to Gainesville as Georgia is. Richt and Bobo worked their asses off trying to land Watson but this is a character kid who wasnt about to break his relationship with Sweeney after how he was there for him thru so much. Much respect for that kid.

I didn't know the Watson background stuff. I get that, and respect it.

But I know Gainesville's proximity to UGA ... No way Clemson should have been on him first, IMO. I suspect it had more to do with Watson fitting Clemson's style of offense more than he fit at UGA.

The same with Cam ... A "potential weakness" for Richt might be identifying kids who aren't exact fits for what he prefers. With Cam and/or Watson at UGA, the narrative on Richt might be completely different ...

Yeah but the point about Cam was that no one knew what he was. Not even Urban.

Not sure that's accurate ... Newton was a 5-star recruit. Number 2 QB in the nation, number 2 player in the state (behind Eric Berry), and number 28 player in the country.

Cameron Newton - Yahoo! Sports

Cam Newton wasn't some "under the radar" find, or a late bloomer ... He was a kid UGA wanted to play at TE.

Cam would have struggled bad in Georgia's offense. He is doing incredible things in the NFL but he has worked so hard to get to that level, the simple truth is Georgia would of had to red shirt him just to get him a little ready to understand their offense. It just wasn't gonna be a good fit for him. He needed Florida and Auburns offenses to show teams his talent level. And he needed good QB coaches and trainers to get him to where he is now.

 

[GTPete00]

He has struggled a bit with Oline and WR lately. Most of the GaTech WRs named are from out of state other than Bebe.

The whole state of GA is too close to other states, not just ATL. Lots of FSU fans in South GA, Auburn/Bama in West GA, Savannah/Augusta are on the border with SC, etc.

He has flaws, and doesn't get every blue chipper in the state of GA, but he still has great talent. Has developed some....Pretty sure Thomas Davis wasn't highly recruited when he came to GA, but I may be wrong. He is a beast in Carolina now.

 

[demcanes26]

Because of his style of offense, guys like Cam Newton, Deshaun Watson, and Josh Dobbs chose to leave the state.

And Georgia hasn't done that well in producing WRs. He's gotten his fair share of RBs and OL, and I think he's done well with the DL and LBs they've signed.

The DB position has been iffy ... They missed on DB Cam Sutton, who's doing well at Tennessee ... But rumor is, he allowed his defensive coaches to make their own grocery list.

Cam Sutton was a WR in high school. Actyally, he was rated like the 91 WR in the country when he came out.

 

[Calinative]

Lets be fair....

Who would you rather have as your QB? Tim Tebow or Cam Newton.

Because Cam was on Florida while being coached by Urban when Tebow got the starting nod.

Hindsight is always twenty twenty.

Also with Watson he committed to Clemson early on, the 10th grade. He camped and they loved him and were on him from the beginning. They are the main reason that kid beleived in hmself at a time when he was having a rought life. He basically shut it down and made it clear he wasnt going anywhere else. Gainesville Ga is basically a Clemson clone and Clemson is about as close to Gainesville as Georgia is. Richt and Bobo worked their asses off trying to land Watson but this is a character kid who wasnt about to break his relationship with Sweeney after how he was there for him thru so much. Much respect for that kid.

I didn't know the Watson background stuff. I get that, and respect it.

But I know Gainesville's proximity to UGA ... No way Clemson should have been on him first, IMO. I suspect it had more to do with Watson fitting Clemson's style of offense more than he fit at UGA.

The same with Cam ... A "potential weakness" for Richt might be identifying kids who aren't exact fits for what he prefers. With Cam and/or Watson at UGA, the narrative on Richt might be completely different ...

Yeah but the point about Cam was that no one knew what he was. Not even Urban.

Not sure that's accurate ... Newton was a 5-star recruit. Number 2 QB in the nation, number 2 player in the state (behind Eric Berry), and number 28 player in the country.

Cameron Newton - Yahoo! Sports

Cam Newton wasn't some "under the radar" find, or a late bloomer ... He was a kid UGA wanted to play at TE.

Cam would have struggled bad in Georgia's offense. He is doing incredible things in the NFL but he has worked so hard to get to that level, the simple truth is Georgia would of had to red shirt him just to get him a little ready to understand their offense. It just wasn't gonna be a good fit for him. He needed Florida and Auburns offenses to show teams his talent level. And he needed good QB coaches and trainers to get him to where he is now.

edit: this is more directed at MIATL
Personally speaking I don't want a coach that gets players that dont fit his system, especially at Qb, where it is most important that they fit your system, so i don't know what you're talking about. Sure Cam might have been a baller in HS, but if you think his skill set doesn't fit what you do at all, why would you want them? I get wanting all the best players, but if a DT from Florida fit perfectly as NT for a 34 read scheme, I wouldn't want him If we were running a 43 attacking scheme. So if his weakness is recruiting players that dont fit his scheme/gameplan, how is that a weakness?

Goldens weakness wasn't that he recruited his type of guys that would fit his scheme, it was that those were his type of guys in the first place, because his scheme was stupid for South Florida. Golden is a northeastern coach, where those type of recruits/schemes make sense.

 

[813_jrock]

I don't think he really had a weakness in recruiting no coach is going to get everyone, the bigger question is what he can do with the players with all the talent that came through uga he could never win the big games

 

[MIATL]

I respect your opinion. We can agree to disagree.

But I read most comments on here to suggest the HC should try to stack his team with talent, and cater his schemes to that talent.

The downside of recruiting to a specific scheme is that you HAVE to hit on every position, or the scheme doesn't work. If you simply recruit talent, you can adjust the scheme.

And my point is that "a weakness" in Richt's recruiting may have been a focus on recruiting to his scheme, as the expense of missing on talented players who could have been game changers for his UGA program.

I didn't know the Watson background stuff. I get that, and respect it.

But I know Gainesville's proximity to UGA ... No way Clemson should have been on him first, IMO. I suspect it had more to do with Watson fitting Clemson's style of offense more than he fit at UGA.

The same with Cam ... A "potential weakness" for Richt might be identifying kids who aren't exact fits for what he prefers. With Cam and/or Watson at UGA, the narrative on Richt might be completely different ...

Yeah but the point about Cam was that no one knew what he was. Not even Urban.

Not sure that's accurate ... Newton was a 5-star recruit. Number 2 QB in the nation, number 2 player in the state (behind Eric Berry), and number 28 player in the country.

Cameron Newton - Yahoo! Sports

Cam Newton wasn't some "under the radar" find, or a late bloomer ... He was a kid UGA wanted to play at TE.

Cam would have struggled bad in Georgia's offense. He is doing incredible things in the NFL but he has worked so hard to get to that level, the simple truth is Georgia would of had to red shirt him just to get him a little ready to understand their offense. It just wasn't gonna be a good fit for him. He needed Florida and Auburns offenses to show teams his talent level. And he needed good QB coaches and trainers to get him to where he is now.

edit: this is more directed at MIATL
Personally speaking I don't want a coach that gets players that dont fit his system, especially at Qb, where it is most important that they fit your system, so i don't know what you're talking about. Sure Cam might have been a baller in HS, but if you think his skill set doesn't fit what you do at all, why would you want them? I get wanting all the best players, but if a DT from Florida fit perfectly as NT for a 34 read scheme, I wouldn't want him If we were running a 43 attacking scheme. So if his weakness is recruiting players that dont fit his scheme/gameplan, how is that a weakness?

Goldens weakness wasn't that he recruited his type of guys that would fit his scheme, it was that those were his type of guys in the first place, because his scheme was stupid for South Florida. Golden is a northeastern coach, where those type of recruits/schemes make sense.

 

[MIATL]

Because of his style of offense, guys like Cam Newton, Deshaun Watson, and Josh Dobbs chose to leave the state.

And Georgia hasn't done that well in producing WRs. He's gotten his fair share of RBs and OL, and I think he's done well with the DL and LBs they've signed.

The DB position has been iffy ... They missed on DB Cam Sutton, who's doing well at Tennessee ... But rumor is, he allowed his defensive coaches to make their own grocery list.

Cam Sutton was a WR in high school. Actyally, he was rated like the 91 WR in the country when he came out.

Cam played WR and DB at Jonesboro. I watched that kid since he was about 10 or 11 years old. I'm not paid to scout and evaluate players, but it was obvious to me his future was at DB. He's got great ball skills for a DB, but he has always been a "hitter".

Again, maybe it was the defensive coaches who missed on him? I never thought Cam would be a big-time WR, so if Richt left the defensive recruiting and evaluations to his staff, then that miss wouldn't be on him.

 

[Gamineal]

His QB position the last 2 years was a toilet. Also not overly impressed with the WR position.

to be fair....PRO style QBs in general have sucked around the country the last several years.... most HS are using the spread with their limited talent therefore limited Qbs..he was late to the game for sure

 

[Calinative]

I respect your opinion. We can agree to disagree.

But I read most comments on here to suggest the HC should try to stack his team with talent, and cater his schemes to that talent.

The downside of recruiting to a specific scheme is that you HAVE to hit on every position, or the scheme doesn't work. If you simply recruit talent, you can adjust the scheme.

And my point is that "a weakness" in Richt's recruiting may have been a focus on recruiting to his scheme, as the expense of missing on talented players who could have been game changers for his UGA program.

Yeah but the point about Cam was that no one knew what he was. Not even Urban.

Not sure that's accurate ... Newton was a 5-star recruit. Number 2 QB in the nation, number 2 player in the state (behind Eric Berry), and number 28 player in the country.

Cameron Newton - Yahoo! Sports

Cam Newton wasn't some "under the radar" find, or a late bloomer ... He was a kid UGA wanted to play at TE.

Cam would have struggled bad in Georgia's offense. He is doing incredible things in the NFL but he has worked so hard to get to that level, the simple truth is Georgia would of had to red shirt him just to get him a little ready to understand their offense. It just wasn't gonna be a good fit for him. He needed Florida and Auburns offenses to show teams his talent level. And he needed good QB coaches and trainers to get him to where he is now.

edit: this is more directed at MIATL
Personally speaking I don't want a coach that gets players that dont fit his system, especially at Qb, where it is most important that they fit your system, so i don't know what you're talking about. Sure Cam might have been a baller in HS, but if you think his skill set doesn't fit what you do at all, why would you want them? I get wanting all the best players, but if a DT from Florida fit perfectly as NT for a 34 read scheme, I wouldn't want him If we were running a 43 attacking scheme. So if his weakness is recruiting players that dont fit his scheme/gameplan, how is that a weakness?

Goldens weakness wasn't that he recruited his type of guys that would fit his scheme, it was that those were his type of guys in the first place, because his scheme was stupid for South Florida. Golden is a northeastern coach, where those type of recruits/schemes make sense.

I mean you can just get the best players at most positions. But Qb and DL to me gotta be guys that will succeed in your scheme. Qb is obvious as to why. DL need to be recruited for either the 43 or 34. They are just completely different type of lineman. But my point is, if what you run recruires pocket passers with great accuracy, maybe you dont want the top duel threat guy if his accuracy isnt great. Usually these DTQBs arent as good of actual passers accuracy wise but make up for it with athletic talent, and are in the run first mindset. Sometimes that just doesnt fit what you want to do on offense, and no one is going to change what they do. They may adjust it to bring out their players talents, but overally you have a gameplan you want to run. Example WSU passes 70-80% of time and uses WR screens as runs. Mike leach isnt going to ever have an offense that runs 60% of the time, regardless who his RB is.

 

[clg003]

I mean top 5-10 classes every single year and you guys are worried about his weakness.

What does that say about you guys?

I mean seriously.

If we signed Saban you guys would be dedicated to finding out what there was you could ****** about him.

 

[demcanes26]

Because of his style of offense, guys like Cam Newton, Deshaun Watson, and Josh Dobbs chose to leave the state.

And Georgia hasn't done that well in producing WRs. He's gotten his fair share of RBs and OL, and I think he's done well with the DL and LBs they've signed.

The DB position has been iffy ... They missed on DB Cam Sutton, who's doing well at Tennessee ... But rumor is, he allowed his defensive coaches to make their own grocery list.

Cam Sutton was a WR in high school. Actyally, he was rated like the 91 WR in the country when he came out.

Cam played WR and DB at Jonesboro. I watched that kid since he was about 10 or 11 years old. I'm not paid to scout and evaluate players, but it was obvious to me his future was at DB. He's got great ball skills for a DB, but he has always been a "hitter".

Again, maybe it was the defensive coaches who missed on him? I never thought Cam would be a big-time WR, so if Richt left the defensive recruiting and evaluations to his staff, then that miss wouldn't be on him.

Yeah, I remember he went to Jonesboro High. I actually stay in Riverdale, so I knew about him for a while. I believe Cam is like a lot of the 3 stars in South Florida. Most didn't know what position he was going to play in college.

 

[rustywalkedaway]

I mean top 5-10 classes every single year and you guys are worried about his weakness.

What does that say about you guys?

I mean seriously.

If we signed Saban you guys would be dedicated to finding out what there was you could ****** about him.

OK, following your logic, he eventually has top 5-10 teams, right? Did he?

 

[Tad Footeball]

I mean top 5-10 classes every single year and you guys are worried about his weakness.

What does that say about you guys?

I mean seriously.

If we signed Saban you guys would be dedicated to finding out what there was you could ****** about him.

I asked the question in a pretty passive manner as I'm obviously a fan of the hire so you're kinda off by assuming anyone is worried. Nobody is a perfect recruiter and there's been plenty of love around here for Richt so it didn't seem like a big deal to see if anyone that has actually followed Georgia's classes has noticed any weaknesses.

If we hired Saban I'd actually be concerned that we'd never land another decent QB.