We should hire a spread coach

[CanesAreAble]

Imagine the Oregon spread with South Florida talent.

Absurd.

It's a logical fit. There would be an abundance of RBs and WRs to send at the opposition in waves, and we could actually kick the tires on the local dual-threat QBs we always ignore. With a spread coach, we could maintain continuity on the offensive side of the ball. Playing at a break-neck pace in South Florida heat/humidity could also give us some semblance of home-field advantage.

Defensively, we don't need a mastermind, just an experienced guy who will have us playing fast and confidently. ****, a middle-of-the-road guy like John Lovett produced a top 25 defense here.

Any competent coach will do, but if I had my choice between a CEO coach, a defensive coach, and an offensive coach, I'd go with the offensive coach.

Give me a spread attack. Give me any offensive system that has a guru like Nick Saban pulling his hair out. It's a logical fit with our talent base.

 

[NinoCane]

instead we look like some big 10 team with two te's

 

[JgDaCane]

Imagine the Oregon spread with South Florida talent.

Absurd.

It's a logical fit. There would be an abundance of RBs and WRs to send at the opposition in waves, and we could actually kick the tires on the local dual-threat QBs we always ignore. With a spread coach, we could maintain continuity on the offensive side of the ball. Playing at a break-neck pace in South Florida heat/humidity could also give us some semblance of home-field advantage.

Defensively, we don't need a mastermind, just an experienced guy who will have us playing fast and confidently. ****, a middle-of-the-road guy like John Lovett produced a top 25 defense here.

Any competent coach will do, but if I had my choice between a CEO coach, a defensive coach, and an offensive coach, I'd go with the offensive coach.

Give me a spread attack. Give me any offensive system that has a guru like Nick Saban pulling his hair out. It's a logical fit with our talent base.

really really like the sound of this. dwayne lawson coming in as well.

 

[ADELPHI]

Stop doing this to yourself man. Look what happened to John Lennon

 

[FullyERicht]

the last billion national champions outside of Cam Newton, had top 5 defenses. And the reason Cam won was because he was playing Oregon who gets owned every time they play an SEC team. Can we stop with these assinine statements that are contradictory to every thing that has been proven to work for 30+ years at Miami.

The Denver Broncos just had the greatest offense of all time, with a billion receivers and backs and spread and on and on. And the team with the great defense DESTROYED THEM. This isn't fantasy football and it's not madden. Get an elite HC in here who understands that you dont win titles with gimmicks. You win it with balanced football teams, good QB play, and ELITE defense. Period. Close the thread.

 

[k9cane]

Able, look at USC, they were a traditional pro-set team, have recruited to that style( and their personnel is much like UM's currently in many ways) yet Sark( who's background is not spread or up-tempo) understood where this game was going and has evolved

So have guys like David Cutcliffe, who is a true offensive guru

But UM......

 

[CanesAreAble]

the last billion national champions outside of Cam Newton, had top 5 defenses. And the reason Cam won was because he was playing Oregon who gets owned every time they play an SEC team. Can we stop with these assinine statements that are contradictory to every thing that has been proven to work for 30+ years at Miami.

The Denver Broncos just had the greatest offense of all time, with a billion receivers and backs and spread and on and on. And the team with the great defense DESTROYED THEM. This isn't fantasy football and it's not madden. Get an elite HC in here who understands that you dont win titles with gimmicks. You win it with balanced football teams, good QB play, and ELITE defense. Period. Close the thread.

Oh, I didn't know I was advocating having a bad defense.

You don't need a defensive head coach to field a good defense, just like you don't need an offensive coach to field a good offense. I laid out my reasons for wanting the spread offense.

BTW take a look at the offensive systems that have won and/or played for the national championship in recent history.

It's time to come out of the 1960s.

 

[CanesAreAble]

Able, look at USC, they were a traditional pro-set team, have recruited to that style( and their personnel is much like UM's currently in many ways) yet Sark( who's background is not spread or up-tempo) understood where this game was going and has evolved

So have guys like David Cutcliffe, who is a true offensive guru

But UM......

Exactly.

Cutcliffe coached Peyton Manning, and now he's implemented zone read plays.

I'm tired of the platitudes about the olden days.

 

[weownfsu]

Agree Able. I'm open to certain defensive guys, but there's been plenty of these spread offensive guru types who can come in and make their system work in like a year. And, they tend to be creative so they can make it work even when they don't have ideal personnel. No time for "rebuilding" anymore. There's enough talent on this team to win 10 games for the next guy.

 

[FullyERicht]

the last billion national champions outside of Cam Newton, had top 5 defenses. And the reason Cam won was because he was playing Oregon who gets owned every time they play an SEC team. Can we stop with these assinine statements that are contradictory to every thing that has been proven to work for 30+ years at Miami.

The Denver Broncos just had the greatest offense of all time, with a billion receivers and backs and spread and on and on. And the team with the great defense DESTROYED THEM. This isn't fantasy football and it's not madden. Get an elite HC in here who understands that you dont win titles with gimmicks. You win it with balanced football teams, good QB play, and ELITE defense. Period. Close the thread.

Oh, I didn't know I was advocating having a bad defense.

You don't need a defensive head coach to field a good defense, just like you don't need an offensive coach to field a good offense. I laid out my reasons for wanting the spread offense.

BTW take a look at the offensive systems that have won and/or played for the national championship in recent history.

It's time to come out of the 1960s.

Lets see: FSU (2013) not a spread or read option team. Bama (2012, 2011, 2009) is certainly not. Auburn (2010) was. The Gators were (2008, 2006). LSU wasn't when they won both of theirs (2007, 2003). USC wasn't for their dominant run (2003, 2004). Texas was (2005). OSU wasn't (2002). We weren't (2001). OU wasn't (2000). The Noles weren't (1999)......need i keep going?

In fact the only time a spread or read option team won was bc the best player in college football that season was at QB and ran with the ball. Tebow, Cam, and Vince won those titles, not the gimmicky systems they played in. If you want to us to buy the next Cam, that's fine. Those guys don't grow on trees and they cost hundreds of thousands in booster money. And unless you have one, you aren't winning ish with a spread system.

 

[GhostofVenice01]

Hey OP, when can we expect that "top 30 defense and possibly record defensive turnaround in a season"?

 

[DiegoCane]

Not all spreads are created equal. I'm guessing you are referring to an Oregon type attack.

****, Coley has a spread background and we run a lot of our offense with spread concepts. Same with Fisch. There are very few teams left in college or pro that don't involve some type of spread concept into their offense.

 

[CanesAreAble]

the last billion national champions outside of Cam Newton, had top 5 defenses. And the reason Cam won was because he was playing Oregon who gets owned every time they play an SEC team. Can we stop with these assinine statements that are contradictory to every thing that has been proven to work for 30+ years at Miami.

The Denver Broncos just had the greatest offense of all time, with a billion receivers and backs and spread and on and on. And the team with the great defense DESTROYED THEM. This isn't fantasy football and it's not madden. Get an elite HC in here who understands that you dont win titles with gimmicks. You win it with balanced football teams, good QB play, and ELITE defense. Period. Close the thread.

Oh, I didn't know I was advocating having a bad defense.

You don't need a defensive head coach to field a good defense, just like you don't need an offensive coach to field a good offense. I laid out my reasons for wanting the spread offense.

BTW take a look at the offensive systems that have won and/or played for the national championship in recent history.

It's time to come out of the 1960s.

Lets see: FSU (2013) not a spread or read option team. Bama (2012, 2011, 2009) is certainly not. Auburn (2010) was. The Gators were (2008, 2006). LSU wasn't when they won both of theirs (2007, 2003). USC wasn't for their dominant run (2003, 2004). Texas was (2005). OSU wasn't (2002). We weren't (2001). OU wasn't (2000). The Noles weren't (1999)......need i keep going?

In fact the only time a spread or read option team won was bc the best player in college football that season was at QB and ran with the ball. Tebow, Cam, and Vince won those titles, not the gimmicky systems they played in. If you want to us to buy the next Cam, that's fine. Those guys don't grow on trees and they cost hundreds of thousands in booster money. And unless you have one, you aren't winning ish with a spread system.

LSU ran spread under Gary Crowton in '07, and OU ran spread in 2000. Mike Leech was their OC the year before. Mangino ran the ball more, but they were still a spread attack.

The spread is so gimmicky, it's all over the friggin' NFL now. Even a team like FSU isn't a traditional pro style team.

And the arguments you made about needing talent equally apply to the pro style teams, perhaps even more so. Stocking the cupboard full of 5-star players and future NFL players like Miami, USC, Bama, etc... isn't an easy roadmap for success.

Bottom line is you need talent in whatever system you run. The spread is becoming more and more ubiquitous. An FSU team loaded to the gills was a hair away from losing to a spread team that was 3-9 the year before (when they were running a crappy pro style offense).

The game is evolving, just like it evolved beyond the veer option, or WRs lining up in three-point stances, or bowl games ending in ties, etc...

The spread doesn't preclude us from having a balanced attack, and it doesn't preclude us from having a great defense.

 

[CanesAreAble]

Hey OP, when can we expect that "top 30 defense and possibly record defensive turnaround in a season"?

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit.

We might end up top 30 on defense, and 130th on offense.

Results is the same. Golden gotta go.

 

[FullyERicht]

the last billion national champions outside of Cam Newton, had top 5 defenses. And the reason Cam won was because he was playing Oregon who gets owned every time they play an SEC team. Can we stop with these assinine statements that are contradictory to every thing that has been proven to work for 30+ years at Miami.

The Denver Broncos just had the greatest offense of all time, with a billion receivers and backs and spread and on and on. And the team with the great defense DESTROYED THEM. This isn't fantasy football and it's not madden. Get an elite HC in here who understands that you dont win titles with gimmicks. You win it with balanced football teams, good QB play, and ELITE defense. Period. Close the thread.

Oh, I didn't know I was advocating having a bad defense.

You don't need a defensive head coach to field a good defense, just like you don't need an offensive coach to field a good offense. I laid out my reasons for wanting the spread offense.

BTW take a look at the offensive systems that have won and/or played for the national championship in recent history.

It's time to come out of the 1960s.

Lets see: FSU (2013) not a spread or read option team. Bama (2012, 2011, 2009) is certainly not. Auburn (2010) was. The Gators were (2008, 2006). LSU wasn't when they won both of theirs (2007, 2003). USC wasn't for their dominant run (2003, 2004). Texas was (2005). OSU wasn't (2002). We weren't (2001). OU wasn't (2000). The Noles weren't (1999)......need i keep going?

In fact the only time a spread or read option team won was bc the best player in college football that season was at QB and ran with the ball. Tebow, Cam, and Vince won those titles, not the gimmicky systems they played in. If you want to us to buy the next Cam, that's fine. Those guys don't grow on trees and they cost hundreds of thousands in booster money. And unless you have one, you aren't winning ish with a spread system.

LSU ran spread under Gary Crowton in '07, and OU ran spread in 2000. Mike Leech was their OC the year before. Mangino ran the ball more, but they were still a spread attack.

The spread is so gimmicky, it's all over the friggin' NFL now. Even a team like FSU isn't a traditional pro style team.

And the arguments you made about needing talent equally apply to the pro style teams, perhaps even more so. Stocking the cupboard full of 5-star players and future NFL players like Miami, USC, Bama, etc... isn't an easy roadmap for success.

Bottom line is you need talent in whatever system you run. The spread is becoming more and more ubiquitous. An FSU team loaded to the gills was a hair away from losing to a spread team that was 3-9 the year before (when they were running a crappy pro style offense).

The game is evolving, just like it evolved beyond the veer option, or WRs lining up in three-point stances, or bowl games ending in ties, etc...

The spread doesn't preclude us from having a balanced attack, and it doesn't preclude us from having a great defense.

I'm under the assumption that when people refer to the spread it generally means either the read option spread or the air raid spread. Having 3,4, and 5 wide packages does not mean it's a spread offense. The OP I think is referring to having a Leach or Oregon/Urban Meyer/Rich Rod system which is what I'm arguing against. I have no issue with hiring a modern WCO based coach. I'm not suggesting we need to be three yards and a cloud of dust here. Sorry if I was not clear.

 

[CanesAreAble]

Not all spreads are created equal. I'm guessing you are referring to an Oregon type attack.

****, Coley has a spread background and we run a lot of our offense with spread concepts. Same with Fisch. There are very few teams left in college or pro that don't involve some type of spread concept into their offense.

Yeah I mentioned Oregon in the first line.

Gus has always been my guy, but his coaching tree is non-existent at this point.

I love Petrino's power spread, but who's going to run it? Paul Petrino hasn't really had any success. We'll have to wait and see on Jeff Brohm.

I'm intrigued by Scott Frost. Chip Kelly was supposedly grooming him. That's from someone who follows Oregon closer than I do. He called plays last year and Oregon was just as ridiculous. Now that doesn't mean he can implement the system fresh, teach it to players as well as coaches, and run a program in general, but I think he's someone to keep an eye on.

 

[FullyERicht]

Not all spreads are created equal. I'm guessing you are referring to an Oregon type attack.

****, Coley has a spread background and we run a lot of our offense with spread concepts. Same with Fisch. There are very few teams left in college or pro that don't involve some type of spread concept into their offense.

Yeah I mentioned Oregon in the first line.

Gus has always been my guy, but his coaching tree is non-existent at this point.

I love Petrino's power spread, but who's going to run it? Paul Petrino hasn't really had any success. We'll have to wait and see on Jeff Brohm.

I'm intrigued by Scott Frost. Chip Kelly was supposedly grooming him. That's from someone who follows Oregon closer than I do. He called plays last year and Oregon was just as ridiculous. Now that doesn't mean he can implement the system fresh, teach it to players as well as coaches, and run a program in general, but I think he's someone to keep an eye on.

So you are in favor of the gimmick? Smh......it has never and will never win anything. You seriously think the answer to Miami's decade long deep rooted fundamental problems is hiring a one year OC that runs the biggest gimmick in football? Like seriously, think about the past coaches we had who were successful, and their backgrounds. In what world would hiring Oregon's 2nd year OC be in accordance with what worked?

 

[CanesAreAble]

I'm under the assumption that when people refer to the spread it generally means either the read option spread or the air raid spread. Having 3,4, and 5 wide packages does not mean it's a spread offense. The OP I think is referring to having a Leach or Oregon/Urban Meyer/Rich Rod system which is what I'm arguing against. I have no issue with hiring a modern WCO based coach. I'm not suggesting we need to be three yards and a cloud of dust here. Sorry if I was not clear.

I want the Oregon spread. I don't see the problem with that. Last year they were 3rd in total offense, 11th in rushing offense, 21st in passing offense, and 3rd in scoring offense.

That's a balanced, potent attack that fits our talent base like a glove. It's not a gimmick. There's nothing gimmicky about ramming the ball down the opponent's throat.

 

[CanesAreAble]

So you are in favor of the gimmick? Smh......it has never and will never win anything. You seriously think the answer to Miami's decade long deep rooted fundamental problems is hiring a one year OC that runs the biggest gimmick in football? Like seriously, think about the past coaches we had who were successful, and their backgrounds. In what world would hiring Oregon's 2nd year OC be in accordance with what worked?

Why is it a gimmick?

Miami's tradition of success in the '80s and early '90s was built on innovation. Schnelly brought in a pro style passing attack, Jimmy brought in an attacking 4-3 defense when 50 fronts still ruled the day, and Dennis Erickson brought in a single-back offense.

Look, if we bring in a dozen first round picks, it doesn't matter what we run. I'm just being practical.

 

[Joecane]

Not all spreads are created equal. I'm guessing you are referring to an Oregon type attack.

****, Coley has a spread background and we run a lot of our offense with spread concepts. Same with Fisch. There are very few teams left in college or pro that don't involve some type of spread concept into their offense.

Yeah I mentioned Oregon in the first line.

Gus has always been my guy, but his coaching tree is non-existent at this point.

I love Petrino's power spread, but who's going to run it? Paul Petrino hasn't really had any success. We'll have to wait and see on Jeff Brohm.

I'm intrigued by Scott Frost. Chip Kelly was supposedly grooming him. That's from someone who follows Oregon closer than I do. He called plays last year and Oregon was just as ridiculous. Now that doesn't mean he can implement the system fresh, teach it to players as well as coaches, and run a program in general, but I think he's someone to keep an eye on.

So you are in favor of the gimmick? Smh......it has never and will never win anything. You seriously think the answer to Miami's decade long deep rooted fundamental problems is hiring a one year OC that runs the biggest gimmick in football? Like seriously, think about the past coaches we had who were successful, and their backgrounds. In what world would hiring Oregon's 2nd year OC be in accordance with what worked?

You could not be more wrong. Literally everything you wrote was completely incorrect. Congratulations.