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[I'm Hurt Dawg]

I don't care much for Rashard because the buzz around Burns is intense. He's expected to be a bonafide beer chugger, hole plugger, turn around and **** your mother, superstar.

Yeah would rather have 1 shut down corner over 2.

 

[Dwinstitles]

When someone aint coming here he sucks, if Cook flips he would be the best back in 2 months over Yearby for some on here. If he stays UF he sucks

 

[zone3cane]

Torrance Gibson and SBB in 2015 at WR will be in the same "elite" category as coley. Obviously Gibson will be at qb so he won't get to showcase his talent at wr, but if he makes the switch in college he will be an immediate impact guy.

Stacy Coley's combination of size, speed, hands, route running, and play-making ability has me seriously doubting those claims. No way in **** i'd take a dime a dozen Offensive Guard over Stacy Coley.

 

[LuCane]

I hope this anti **** going on throughout the board goes away at some point. Everything is "idiots" vs. "homers." Makes for ****** discussions.

 

[zone3cane]

My boy Gogeta and I one of the few and proud to nail it.

As much as I like Coley, I'd still take Kirkland over him if it meant the Thomas guys. Coley may very well be a first rounder when he leaves here, but we're in South Florida, have access to great skill position guys and my opinion is Kirkland + Thomas + Thomas > Coley. ****, I'd take Kirkland if it meant ensuring Chad Thomas.

Curious if others would do differently.

smh i'm disappointed in you Lu, I really am....

I dont see no Stacy Coley's coming down the line in the next couple years mane.

Derrick Griffin didnt qualify, Jon. Carter out, Rashawn Scott injured.... Stacy Coley was the most important recruit in last year's class.

Miami already had 3 OLineman committed, and Kirkland would be 2nd string only b/c Isidora got hurt, but he's not that important from a personnel stand point.

As far as Matthew Thomas, Alex Figueroa is better then him, of course it wouldve been great to have him, but Figs made missing out on him quickly forgettable. Matthew Thomas barely gettin on the field at FSU and their starting LBs arent even that good besides Telvin Smith.

I don't see any Stacy Coley's either, though Dixon and Rudolph are pretty good playmakers. You're making too early a call on Matthew Thomas, I think. Doesn't have anything to do with Figs. And, again, if you read the original thread, most people (not all, I realize) were thinking one guy (Kirkland) led to the other guys.

It's not like any of this is a knock on Coley. Been a huge fan. Still am a huge fan. Just giving my honest opinion and sticking to what I value most: impact Defenders.

Stacy Coley is more of an impact player then Matthew Thomas.... Jermaine Grace can be what Matthew Thomas could be, Kirkland is a dime a dozen Guard.

If I had to choose the package deal of either Stacy Coley and Rashard Robinson or Denver Kirkland and Matthew Thomas, I'm taking Coley and Robinson in a heartbeat.

 

[Consigliere]

When someone aint coming here he sucks, if Cook flips he would be the best back in 2 months over Yearby for some on here. If he stays UF he sucks

Who is the poster who said Cook sucks? I think people just have an opinion that one is better than the other. I am pretty sure everyone wants both.

 

[User-4525]

Torrance Gibson and SBB in 2015 at WR will be in the same "elite" category as coley. Obviously Gibson will be at qb so he won't get to showcase his talent at wr, but if he makes the switch in college he will be an immediate impact guy.

Stacy Coley's combination of size, speed, hands, route running, and play-making ability has me seriously doubting those claims. No way in **** i'd take a dime a dozen Offensive Guard over Stacy Coley.

When did I claim I would take Kirkland over coley? lol

All three players are doing very well early in their careers.

And how can you say that they won't be comparable to Coley or other elite wrs if you haven't seen them play? Just look how many elite wrs have come out of south Florida over the last ten years. Making a claim that there could be one or two (Gibson stays at qb) more on the way isn't really unwonted.

It's only been five game. A lot of football left.

 

[LuCane]

My boy Gogeta and I one of the few and proud to nail it.

As much as I like Coley, I'd still take Kirkland over him if it meant the Thomas guys. Coley may very well be a first rounder when he leaves here, but we're in South Florida, have access to great skill position guys and my opinion is Kirkland + Thomas + Thomas > Coley. ****, I'd take Kirkland if it meant ensuring Chad Thomas.

Curious if others would do differently.

smh i'm disappointed in you Lu, I really am....

I dont see no Stacy Coley's coming down the line in the next couple years mane.

Derrick Griffin didnt qualify, Jon. Carter out, Rashawn Scott injured.... Stacy Coley was the most important recruit in last year's class.

Miami already had 3 OLineman committed, and Kirkland would be 2nd string only b/c Isidora got hurt, but he's not that important from a personnel stand point.

As far as Matthew Thomas, Alex Figueroa is better then him, of course it wouldve been great to have him, but Figs made missing out on him quickly forgettable. Matthew Thomas barely gettin on the field at FSU and their starting LBs arent even that good besides Telvin Smith.

I don't see any Stacy Coley's either, though Dixon and Rudolph are pretty good playmakers. You're making too early a call on Matthew Thomas, I think. Doesn't have anything to do with Figs. And, again, if you read the original thread, most people (not all, I realize) were thinking one guy (Kirkland) led to the other guys.

It's not like any of this is a knock on Coley. Been a huge fan. Still am a huge fan. Just giving my honest opinion and sticking to what I value most: impact Defenders.

Stacy Coley is more of an impact player then Matthew Thomas.... Jermaine Grace can be what Matthew Thomas could be, Kirkland is a dime a dozen Guard.

If I had to choose the package deal of either Stacy Coley and Rashard Robinson or Denver Kirkland and Matthew Thomas, I'm taking Coley and Robinson in a heartbeat.

I'd agree with you on those package options. Problem is Coley and Robinson never seemed like a package deal. Plus, even if they had been a pair, they didn't play with (and were close to) a guy who may be the best player in the state the following year (Chad Thomas). Different situation. Different analysis. Different answer.

 

[I'm Hurt Dawg]

My boy Gogeta and I one of the few and proud to nail it.

As much as I like Coley, I'd still take Kirkland over him if it meant the Thomas guys. Coley may very well be a first rounder when he leaves here, but we're in South Florida, have access to great skill position guys and my opinion is Kirkland + Thomas + Thomas > Coley. ****, I'd take Kirkland if it meant ensuring Chad Thomas.

Curious if others would do differently.

smh i'm disappointed in you Lu, I really am....

I dont see no Stacy Coley's coming down the line in the next couple years mane.

Derrick Griffin didnt qualify, Jon. Carter out, Rashawn Scott injured.... Stacy Coley was the most important recruit in last year's class.

Miami already had 3 OLineman committed, and Kirkland would be 2nd string only b/c Isidora got hurt, but he's not that important from a personnel stand point.

As far as Matthew Thomas, Alex Figueroa is better then him, of course it wouldve been great to have him, but Figs made missing out on him quickly forgettable. Matthew Thomas barely gettin on the field at FSU and their starting LBs arent even that good besides Telvin Smith.

I don't see any Stacy Coley's either, though Dixon and Rudolph are pretty good playmakers. You're making too early a call on Matthew Thomas, I think. Doesn't have anything to do with Figs. And, again, if you read the original thread, most people (not all, I realize) were thinking one guy (Kirkland) led to the other guys.

It's not like any of this is a knock on Coley. Been a huge fan. Still am a huge fan. Just giving my honest opinion and sticking to what I value most: impact Defenders.

Stacy Coley is more of an impact player then Matthew Thomas.... Jermaine Grace can be what Matthew Thomas could be, Kirkland is a dime a dozen Guard.

If I had to choose the package deal of either Stacy Coley and Rashard Robinson or Denver Kirkland and Matthew Thomas, I'm taking Coley and Robinson in a heartbeat.

LOL

 

[zone3cane]

Torrance Gibson and SBB in 2015 at WR will be in the same "elite" category as coley. Obviously Gibson will be at qb so he won't get to showcase his talent at wr, but if he makes the switch in college he will be an immediate impact guy.

Stacy Coley's combination of size, speed, hands, route running, and play-making ability has me seriously doubting those claims. No way in **** i'd take a dime a dozen Offensive Guard over Stacy Coley.

When did I claim I would take Kirkland over coley? lol

All three players are doing very well early in their careers.

And how can you say that they won't be comparable to Coley or other elite wrs if you haven't seen them play? Just look how many elite wrs have come out of south Florida over the last ten years. Making a claim that there could be one or two (Gibson stays at qb) more on the way isn't really unwonted.

It's only been five game. A lot of football left.

Stacy Coley has been considered a better WR recruit then Amari Cooper out of SFL.... that along makes me doubt that Shawn Becker or Torrance Gibson would be anything near as dynamic of a receiver as Stacy Coley, especially as a true freshman.

not saying they wont be big time receivers out of SFL b/c there are a couple in this year's class but they arent even in the same league as Stacy Coley. Travis Rudolph might be the closest from a route running and hands stand point, but he doesnt have the level of elite speed Stacy Coley has.

When coaches say that Coley isnt that far behind Phillip Dorsett in the speed department, as a 6'1" freshman, thats not something that i can overlook and say the next SFL receiver will be just as talented.

Denver Kirkland and Matthew Thomas i guess are doing well, but they wouldnt be doing much of anything significant if they were on this team right now.... unlike Stacy Coley.

Matthew Thomas wouldve been a perfect backup to the role McCord plays on this team, but he's at FSU as a 3rd string undersized MLB/"WLB".... i hope that works out for him.

 

[zone3cane]

Stacy Coley is more of an impact player then Matthew Thomas.... Jermaine Grace can be what Matthew Thomas could be, Kirkland is a dime a dozen Guard.

If I had to choose the package deal of either Stacy Coley and Rashard Robinson or Denver Kirkland and Matthew Thomas, I'm taking Coley and Robinson in a heartbeat.

LOL

I dont see whats funny about it.....

Matthew Thomas is a 3rd string MLB in a 3-4, he's not playing a position that suits his strength as a pass rushing threat.

Denzel Perryman said Jermaine Grace is similar to him b/c of his nose for the ball and hitting ability. And from what i saw from him in highschool he does have instincts and knows how to hit. I see no difference between the potential of Grace and Thomas.

 

[Scoot Scoot]

 

[Marcelo2988]

Look guys we could all go back and say look at me I was right and blast others because they picked someone other than Coley, but honestly who gives a f.uck. We got Stacy fing Coley!!!!! We didn't get the other 2 dudes so why worry about them.

 

[Cans4life]

As much as I like Coley, I'd still take Kirkland over him if it meant the Thomas guys. Coley may very well be a first rounder when he leaves here, but we're in South Florida, have access to great skill position guys and my opinion is Kirkland + Thomas + Thomas > Coley. ****, I'd take Kirkland if it meant ensuring Chad Thomas.

Curious if others would do differently.

smh i'm disappointed in you Lu, I really am....

I dont see no Stacy Coley's coming down the line in the next couple years mane.

Derrick Griffin didnt qualify, Jon. Carter out, Rashawn Scott injured.... Stacy Coley was the most important recruit in last year's class.

Miami already had 3 OLineman committed, and Kirkland would be 2nd string only b/c Isidora got hurt, but he's not that important from a personnel stand point.

As far as Matthew Thomas, Alex Figueroa is better then him, of course it wouldve been great to have him, but Figs made missing out on him quickly forgettable. Matthew Thomas barely gettin on the field at FSU and their starting LBs arent even that good besides Telvin Smith.

I don't see any Stacy Coley's either, though Dixon and Rudolph are pretty good playmakers. You're making too early a call on Matthew Thomas, I think. Doesn't have anything to do with Figs. And, again, if you read the original thread, most people (not all, I realize) were thinking one guy (Kirkland) led to the other guys.

It's not like any of this is a knock on Coley. Been a huge fan. Still am a huge fan. Just giving my honest opinion and sticking to what I value most: impact Defenders.

Stacy Coley is more of an impact player then Matthew Thomas.... Jermaine Grace can be what Matthew Thomas could be, Kirkland is a dime a dozen Guard.

If I had to choose the package deal of either Stacy Coley and Rashard Robinson or Denver Kirkland and Matthew Thomas, I'm taking Coley and Robinson in a heartbeat.

I'd agree with you on those package options. Problem is Coley and Robinson never seemed like a package deal. Plus, even if they had been a pair, they didn't play with (and were close to) a guy who may be the best player in the state the following year (Chad Thomas). Different situation. Different analysis. Different answer.

Im surprised you think Chad Thomas is the best player in the state this cycle. Do expand.

 

[LexCane55]

I was a Coley vote as well

 

[LuCane]

smh i'm disappointed in you Lu, I really am....

I dont see no Stacy Coley's coming down the line in the next couple years mane.

Derrick Griffin didnt qualify, Jon. Carter out, Rashawn Scott injured.... Stacy Coley was the most important recruit in last year's class.

Miami already had 3 OLineman committed, and Kirkland would be 2nd string only b/c Isidora got hurt, but he's not that important from a personnel stand point.

As far as Matthew Thomas, Alex Figueroa is better then him, of course it wouldve been great to have him, but Figs made missing out on him quickly forgettable. Matthew Thomas barely gettin on the field at FSU and their starting LBs arent even that good besides Telvin Smith.

I don't see any Stacy Coley's either, though Dixon and Rudolph are pretty good playmakers. You're making too early a call on Matthew Thomas, I think. Doesn't have anything to do with Figs. And, again, if you read the original thread, most people (not all, I realize) were thinking one guy (Kirkland) led to the other guys.

It's not like any of this is a knock on Coley. Been a huge fan. Still am a huge fan. Just giving my honest opinion and sticking to what I value most: impact Defenders.

Stacy Coley is more of an impact player then Matthew Thomas.... Jermaine Grace can be what Matthew Thomas could be, Kirkland is a dime a dozen Guard.

If I had to choose the package deal of either Stacy Coley and Rashard Robinson or Denver Kirkland and Matthew Thomas, I'm taking Coley and Robinson in a heartbeat.

I'd agree with you on those package options. Problem is Coley and Robinson never seemed like a package deal. Plus, even if they had been a pair, they didn't play with (and were close to) a guy who may be the best player in the state the following year (Chad Thomas). Different situation. Different analysis. Different answer.

Im surprised you think Chad Thomas is the best player in the state this cycle. Do expand.

I said may. Haven't seen enough. Called him likely top 5 during that thread last year and that's probably the same now. We'll talk about who's the best player in the state 3-4 months from now when we see the whole cycle (all games, all-star, etc.) play out. I sure as **** haven't seen enough players to say anything of substance on an overall list.

 

[User-4525]

@Zone

"Denver Kirkland and Matthew Thomas i guess are doing well, but they wouldnt be doing much of anything significant if they were on this team right now.... unlike Stacy Coley."

How can insinuate 6 wouldn't be getting more playing time here than at FSU? I definitely think he would be playing as much as Figs. Due to our depth, Kirkland would be betting as much as about Alex gall imo. He's proven he can handle a starting job at Arkansas though. Its been 5 games, we do not know how this situation will play out. For all we know Robinson could be the best out of the 3, he certainly has shown flashes.

"Stacy Coley has been considered a better WR recruit then Amari Cooper out of SFL.... that along makes me doubt that Shawn Becker or Torrance Gibson would be anything near as dynamic of a receiver as Stacy Coley, especially as a true freshman."

What does that have to do with my argument? I said SBB & Gibson will/could be elite SFL wrs. Cooper is an elite sfl WR, whether one personal opinion decides to rank him above or below coley. One could get technically and put one above the other, but I'm talking about just making it into the club. I'll gladly bump this thread around this time next year when SBB blows up even more than he did this summer. Also, Coley isn't slated to have as big as a year of cooper did as a freshman. Different circumstances, will obviously lead to different results.

"When coaches say that Coley isnt that far behind Phillip Dorsett in the speed department, as a 6'1" freshman, thats not something that i can overlook and say the next SFL receiver will be just as talented"

When did the coaches say this? I believe it's true but the coaches never really talked about it. He was said to be around the same speed according to the players. However, straight line speed has absoultely nothing to do with if SBB can become an elite sfl WR or not.

At the moment, all three options are very justifiable, and no one has really been proven right or wrong yet.

 

[TP801]

I remember someone compared Matt to Von Miller at one point. Forgot who it was. But that doesn't seem too far off. Dude was and will be a monster. Probably would have played a similar role to Von AS WELL

 

[zone3cane]

I just dont think Matthew Thomas would be in the rotation at all at this point at Miami...... He would be a SLB here and he wouldnt beat out McCord, Figs, or Armbrister.... he's too small. Miami has more ready depth then FSU does.... if he cant get in the rotation consistenly at FSU he'd be on the bench at Miami.

He'd be on special teams mostly just like Jermaine Grace and Jamal Carter.

Denver Kirkland is at Arkansas starting b/c it's Arkansas..... he's good, but my point is he never was an important recruit, if that was the case the coaches wouldnt have dropped him in the 1st place. Not saying he's not going to be good, but he picked the right spot to "shine" early just like Alex Collins.

 

[LuCane]

I remember someone compared Matt to Von Miller at one point. Forgot who it was. But that doesn't seem too far off. Dude was and will be a monster. Probably would have played a similar role to Von AS WELL

I did early on (before I saw him a bunch at the end of his senior year and in all-star games), but he's probably a little different than Von. Better in space. Some different attributes. He has a lot of skills that fit the new way football is being played. I hope Gall and Isadora lay him on his *** repeatedly over the next few years.