I think 1 of the 2 DTs comes back.
Given the recent trend of players leaving early like crazy, what is it that makes you think 1 of the 2 will stay?
Yes I know let's get through 2017 blah blah blah but man, just look at this rooster:
QB Rosier (Sr) - Perry (RFr) - Shirreffs (Jr) - Weldon (RFr)
RB Homer (Jr) - Lingard (Fr) - Davis (Fr) - Gray (RSr) - Burns? (RFr) - Dallas? (So)
WR Richards (Jr) - Thomas (So) - Harley (So) - Langham (RSr) - Mullins (Jr) - Njoku (RFr) - Pope/Hightower/Wiggins/etc. (Fr)
TE Jordan (Fr) - Mallory (Fr) - Irvin? (Jr) - Polendy (So) - Patchan? (RJr)
OL Donaldson (So) - St. Louis (Sr) - Gaynor (So) - Gauthier (Sr) - Mahoney (RJr) - Herbert (RFr) - Reed (Fr) - Scaife (Fr)
DL JoeJack (Jr) - DJ Johnson (So) - Patchan (RJr) - DJack (RSr) - Willis (Sr) - Bethel (Jr) - Ford (So) - Garvin (So) - Silvera (Fr)
LB Shaq (Jr) - Pinckney (Jr) - McCloud (Jr) - Wilder (So) - Perry (Sr) - Jennings (So) - Gordinier (RJr) - Owens (RSr) - Smith (RSr)
DB Bandy (So) - Young (Jr) - Jackson (Sr) - Redwine (Sr) - Jaquan (Sr) - Dean (Sr) - Carter (So) - Smith (So) - Finley (Jr) - Jobe/Hall/Frierson/Blades/etc. (Fr)
Assuming Walton, McIntosh, and Norton all leave (worst-case) this still has to be the on-paper favorite to win the ACC next year.
What is the chance McDermott files for a medical waiver to get a 5th year?
Assuming McDermott stays, 5 new Starters:
Berrios -> Thomas, Harley, Pope not a major drop off especially if Richards is 100% all year
Darling -> Donaldson to LG and Gaynor at RG
Herndon -> big drop off in experience but potential jump in talent as a group
Thomas -> DJax, DJ Johnson likely a little bit of a drop-off
Bagley -> Baxa, young man has some big shoes to fill
Others
Harris -> Garvin, young man has some big shoes to fill as a back-up
Moten -> Ford, Nesta
Delaney -> to many good DBs here and coming to worry about how his replacement will do.
mcdermott has been here 5 years.
Yes I know let's get through 2017 blah blah blah but man, just look at this rooster:
QB Rosier (Sr) - Perry (RFr) - Shirreffs (Jr) - Weldon (RFr)
RB Homer (Jr) - Lingard (Fr) - Davis (Fr) - Gray (RSr) - Burns? (RFr) - Dallas? (So)
WR Richards (Jr) - Thomas (So) - Harley (So) - Langham (RSr) - Mullins (Jr) - Njoku (RFr) - Pope/Hightower/Wiggins/etc. (Fr)
TE Jordan (Fr) - Mallory (Fr) - Irvin? (Jr) - Polendy (So) - Patchan? (RJr)
OL Donaldson (So) - St. Louis (Sr) - Gaynor (So) - Gauthier (Sr) - Mahoney (RJr) - Herbert (RFr) - Reed (Fr) - Scaife (Fr)
DL JoeJack (Jr) - DJ Johnson (So) - Patchan (RJr) - DJack (RSr) - Willis (Sr) - Bethel (Jr) - Ford (So) - Garvin (So) - Silvera (Fr)
LB Shaq (Jr) - Pinckney (Jr) - McCloud (Jr) - Wilder (So) - Perry (Sr) - Jennings (So) - Gordinier (RJr) - Owens (RSr) - Smith (RSr)
DB Bandy (So) - Young (Jr) - Jackson (Sr) - Redwine (Sr) - Jaquan (Sr) - Dean (Sr) - Carter (So) - Smith (So) - Finley (Jr) - Jobe/Hall/Frierson/Blades/etc. (Fr)
Assuming Walton, McIntosh, and Norton all leave (worst-case) this still has to be the on-paper favorite to win the ACC next year.
couple things,
1 - Would be really nice to get a couple GOD **** LINE BACKER COMMITS so we can push the Owens and Smiths of our roster to seek playing time post graduate somewhere that could give them some run.
Which is what I suspect will happen to choc, even though burns shouldn't even be counted as a scholarship athlete with the liklihood of him taking snaps.
b - FSU will be the acc favorite next year for everyone outside our fan base. We are not there yet.
Thank God for us landing brevin and Mallory. Last super weak there had we not landed those two studs
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To be perfectly honest, we're not going nowheres in 2018 if both Norton and McIntosh leave early.
b - FSU will be the acc favorite next year for everyone outside our fan base. We are not there yet.
Have you heard of inferiority complex?b - FSU will be the acc favorite next year for everyone outside our fan base. We are not there yet.
Why? Because Francois will return? They are likely to lose anywhere from 6-8 defensive starters, depending on how many guys bail. Their OL returns 4 starters who are very average. Their best WR is as likely to leave as he is to stay.
We'll likely return 7 (arguably 8 because of all the snaps Mahoney/Gaynor are getting) offensive starters. We'll return between 6-8 starters on defense and replace Chad Thomas with the deepest DE unit in college football. If Norton or Mcintosh stay, Willis returns or we pull a JuCo DT, they should be very concerned coming to our home field.
both our dts aren't going the 1st few rounds. how many times does a team lose 2 jr dts and they both go in the 1st 2 rounds.
Because as far as the rest of the country is concerned - hence my statement "outside of miami fans" - FSU has out recruited us for the entire duration of the current roster, with the possible exception of next years true freshmans class.b - FSU will be the acc favorite next year for everyone outside our fan base. We are not there yet.
Why? Because Francois will return? They are likely to lose anywhere from 6-8 defensive starters, depending on how many guys bail. Their OL returns 4 starters who are very average. Their best WR is as likely to leave as he is to stay.
We'll likely return 7 (arguably 8 because of all the snaps Mahoney/Gaynor are getting) offensive starters. We'll return between 6-8 starters on defense and replace Chad Thomas with the deepest DE unit in college football. If Norton or Mcintosh stay, Willis returns or we pull a JuCo DT, they should be very concerned coming to our home field.
If a few guys decide to bolt together, I think they're in trouble. For all their recruiting class rankings, they forgot to load up on quality OL.Because as far as the rest of the country is concerned - hence my statement "outside of miami fans" - FSU has out recruited us for the entire duration of the current roster, with the possible exception of next years true freshmans class.b - FSU will be the acc favorite next year for everyone outside our fan base. We are not there yet.
Why? Because Francois will return? They are likely to lose anywhere from 6-8 defensive starters, depending on how many guys bail. Their OL returns 4 starters who are very average. Their best WR is as likely to leave as he is to stay.
We'll likely return 7 (arguably 8 because of all the snaps Mahoney/Gaynor are getting) offensive starters. We'll return between 6-8 starters on defense and replace Chad Thomas with the deepest DE unit in college football. If Norton or Mcintosh stay, Willis returns or we pull a JuCo DT, they should be very concerned coming to our home field.
They are currently in re load, not re build. Guys leaving may not mean their team gets worse. This is the benefit of perennial top 5 recruiting classes.
And yes, Francois going down probably costs them more than a game or two this year, maybe our own but that is an unknown.