Way too early Draft '17

[58straight]

You guys realize he did both coverage and pass rush right?? Jordan Jenkins was the pass rush specialist there...there was even talk of him going to the Dolphins before the draft

the bears arent bringing him in for coverage its great that he can but he will be a pass rushing specialist, what did jenkins test at the combine? floyd tested 4.6 in the 40 which is the range elite pass rushers in previous drafts had von miller was in the 4.5's and khalil mack was in the 4.6's and a really high vertical and broad jump. at 6'4 250 or so if muhammad can get near those numbers he'll have scouts salivating

I doesn't matter what Jordan Jenkins tested dude. Floyd was a multi purpose linebacker at UGA and Jordan Jenkins was their pass rush specialist and the one that set their edge on their D and Leonard still matched Jordan Jenkins for TFL's and sacks go look at their stats...Quan Muhammad has never dropped into coverage dude so how can you compare him to Floyd?? He's more comparable to Noah Spence than Leonard Floyd

it does matter what he tested, thats my entire point, the scouts and GM's are looking at certain numbers, its funny you mentioned spence because as soon as he ran a 4.8 40 mike mayock dropped him in his rankings and he didnt end up being drafted until the 2nd day. i'm not comparing floyd and muhammad's defensive responsibilities but only stating that if muhammad can test similar to what floyd did at the combine he'll be a top pick regardless if he has gaudy sack numbers which some guys think you need. you can find alot of strong guys that can set the edge in the draft but not many have a high vertical or can run a 4.6 40 yd dash

DUDE !! Leonard Floyd wasn't drafted high for his measurables, they all knew he was an athletic freak before the combine. I'll give you a better comparison, Quan Muhammad needs to be productive to get into the first round like Shaq Lawson and do you know why?? Because he's a 4-3 end, not a 3-4 OLB who asked to cover at times. If Shaq went to the combine and worked out the way he worked out but they went back and saw he only had 3.5 sacks like he did in 2015 do you think he goes 19th to the bills??

go read all the pre draft scouting reports, this guy floyd was consensus boom or bust prospect, let me let you in on a secret the boom aspect of it is because of his mesaureables! why on earth would you have 2 teams in the top 10 willing to draft a light in the *** pass rusher who allegedly played at 230 pounds and only produced 4 sacks unless he tested off the charts? if this guy posted a 29 inch vert and a 4.8 40 there is no way in **** he even gets considered for the first round. the guy had elite numbers at the combine and a 6'6" frame, you keep talking positions muhammad can easily be drafted to play either 4-3 or 3-4 thats irrelevant you have guys switching systems every year, his combine numbers will determine where he goes

 

[Zbrod95]

the bears arent bringing him in for coverage its great that he can but he will be a pass rushing specialist, what did jenkins test at the combine? floyd tested 4.6 in the 40 which is the range elite pass rushers in previous drafts had von miller was in the 4.5's and khalil mack was in the 4.6's and a really high vertical and broad jump. at 6'4 250 or so if muhammad can get near those numbers he'll have scouts salivating

I doesn't matter what Jordan Jenkins tested dude. Floyd was a multi purpose linebacker at UGA and Jordan Jenkins was their pass rush specialist and the one that set their edge on their D and Leonard still matched Jordan Jenkins for TFL's and sacks go look at their stats...Quan Muhammad has never dropped into coverage dude so how can you compare him to Floyd?? He's more comparable to Noah Spence than Leonard Floyd

it does matter what he tested, thats my entire point, the scouts and GM's are looking at certain numbers, its funny you mentioned spence because as soon as he ran a 4.8 40 mike mayock dropped him in his rankings and he didnt end up being drafted until the 2nd day. i'm not comparing floyd and muhammad's defensive responsibilities but only stating that if muhammad can test similar to what floyd did at the combine he'll be a top pick regardless if he has gaudy sack numbers which some guys think you need. you can find alot of strong guys that can set the edge in the draft but not many have a high vertical or can run a 4.6 40 yd dash

DUDE !! Leonard Floyd wasn't drafted high for his measurables, they all knew he was an athletic freak before the combine. I'll give you a better comparison, Quan Muhammad needs to be productive to get into the first round like Shaq Lawson and do you know why?? Because he's a 4-3 end, not a 3-4 OLB who asked to cover at times. If Shaq went to the combine and worked out the way he worked out but they went back and saw he only had 3.5 sacks like he did in 2015 do you think he goes 19th to the bills??

go read all the pre draft scouting reports, this guy floyd was consensus boom or bust prospect, let me let you in on a secret the boom aspect of it is because of his mesaureables! why on earth would you have 2 teams in the top 10 willing to draft a light in the pass rusher who allegedly played at 230 some pounds and only produced 4 sacks unless he tested off the charts? if this guy posted a 29 inch vert and a 4.8 40 there is no way in **** he even gets considered for the first round. the guy had elite numbers at the combine and a 6'6" frame, you keep talking positions muhammad can easily be drafted to play either 4-3 or 3-4 thats irrelevant, his combine numbers will determine where he goes

....you're an idiot dude, he's a boom or bust prospect because HE'S RAIL ******* THIN AND THEY QUESTION IF HE CAN HANDLE THE STRENGTH OF NFL OFFENSIVE LINEMEN GO READ HIS SCOUTING REPORT, and if you would've tested like that **** right he would've fell because it would've scared scouts ****less ! Quick question if measurables matter so much over statistics instead of it being a balance for both, why wasn't Charles Tapper a first round pick when he had the best day out of all the pass rushers...hmm I wonder if it's because he had 13.5 career sacks with 7 of them in 2015? Idk why I'm even arguing with you, you obviously don't know what you're talking about and you're making yourself look like an idiot

 

[58straight]

I doesn't matter what Jordan Jenkins tested dude. Floyd was a multi purpose linebacker at UGA and Jordan Jenkins was their pass rush specialist and the one that set their edge on their D and Leonard still matched Jordan Jenkins for TFL's and sacks go look at their stats...Quan Muhammad has never dropped into coverage dude so how can you compare him to Floyd?? He's more comparable to Noah Spence than Leonard Floyd

it does matter what he tested, thats my entire point, the scouts and GM's are looking at certain numbers, its funny you mentioned spence because as soon as he ran a 4.8 40 mike mayock dropped him in his rankings and he didnt end up being drafted until the 2nd day. i'm not comparing floyd and muhammad's defensive responsibilities but only stating that if muhammad can test similar to what floyd did at the combine he'll be a top pick regardless if he has gaudy sack numbers which some guys think you need. you can find alot of strong guys that can set the edge in the draft but not many have a high vertical or can run a 4.6 40 yd dash

DUDE !! Leonard Floyd wasn't drafted high for his measurables, they all knew he was an athletic freak before the combine. I'll give you a better comparison, Quan Muhammad needs to be productive to get into the first round like Shaq Lawson and do you know why?? Because he's a 4-3 end, not a 3-4 OLB who asked to cover at times. If Shaq went to the combine and worked out the way he worked out but they went back and saw he only had 3.5 sacks like he did in 2015 do you think he goes 19th to the bills??

go read all the pre draft scouting reports, this guy floyd was consensus boom or bust prospect, let me let you in on a secret the boom aspect of it is because of his mesaureables! why on earth would you have 2 teams in the top 10 willing to draft a light in the pass rusher who allegedly played at 230 some pounds and only produced 4 sacks unless he tested off the charts? if this guy posted a 29 inch vert and a 4.8 40 there is no way in **** he even gets considered for the first round. the guy had elite numbers at the combine and a 6'6" frame, you keep talking positions muhammad can easily be drafted to play either 4-3 or 3-4 thats irrelevant, his combine numbers will determine where he goes

....you're an idiot dude, he's a boom or bust prospect because HE'S RAIL ****ING THIN AND THEY QUESTION IF HE CAN HANDLE THE STRENGTH OF NFL OFFENSIVE LINEMEN GO READ HIS SCOUTING REPORT, and if you would've tested like that **** right he would've fell because it would've scared scouts ****less ! Quick question if measurables matter so much over statistics instead of it being a balance for both, why wasn't Charles Tapper a first round pick when he had the best day out of all the pass rushers...hmm I wonder if it's because he had 13.5 career sacks with 7 of them in 2015? Idk why I'm even arguing with, you obviously don't know what you're talking about and you're making yourself look like an idiot

you're a moron, tapper was never mentioned in ANY mock draft as being a top 10 prospect while floyd was in all of them he tested the best in drills that measure explosiveness there was never a question about it, he tested FIRST in the vertical jump, broad jump and 40 yard dash that along with being 6'6" is what got him drafted high, you're trying to argue a guy with 4 sacks was drafted off his production, when its clear the scouts were looking for explosive traits and length which he has.

you just proved my point for me, that he would've fell like a rock if he tested badly, so why on earth was he drafted top 10 with such poor production and a thin frame? combine performance is the answer ******, you got **** between your ears boy.

 

[Golsen82]

the bears arent bringing him in for coverage its great that he can but he will be a pass rushing specialist, what did jenkins test at the combine? floyd tested 4.6 in the 40 which is the range elite pass rushers in previous drafts had von miller was in the 4.5's and khalil mack was in the 4.6's and a really high vertical and broad jump. at 6'4 250 or so if muhammad can get near those numbers he'll have scouts salivating

I doesn't matter what Jordan Jenkins tested dude. Floyd was a multi purpose linebacker at UGA and Jordan Jenkins was their pass rush specialist and the one that set their edge on their D and Leonard still matched Jordan Jenkins for TFL's and sacks go look at their stats...Quan Muhammad has never dropped into coverage dude so how can you compare him to Floyd?? He's more comparable to Noah Spence than Leonard Floyd

it does matter what he tested, thats my entire point, the scouts and GM's are looking at certain numbers, its funny you mentioned spence because as soon as he ran a 4.8 40 mike mayock dropped him in his rankings and he didnt end up being drafted until the 2nd day. i'm not comparing floyd and muhammad's defensive responsibilities but only stating that if muhammad can test similar to what floyd did at the combine he'll be a top pick regardless if he has gaudy sack numbers which some guys think you need. you can find alot of strong guys that can set the edge in the draft but not many have a high vertical or can run a 4.6 40 yd dash

DUDE !! Leonard Floyd wasn't drafted high for his measurables, they all knew he was an athletic freak before the combine. I'll give you a better comparison, Quan Muhammad needs to be productive to get into the first round like Shaq Lawson and do you know why?? Because he's a 4-3 end, not a 3-4 OLB who asked to cover at times. If Shaq went to the combine and worked out the way he worked out but they went back and saw he only had 3.5 sacks like he did in 2015 do you think he goes 19th to the bills??

go read all the pre draft scouting reports, this guy floyd was consensus boom or bust prospect, let me let you in on a secret the boom aspect of it is because of his mesaureables! why on earth would you have 2 teams in the top 10 willing to draft a light in the *** pass rusher who allegedly played at 230 pounds and only produced 4 sacks unless he tested off the charts? if this guy posted a 29 inch vert and a 4.8 40 there is no way in **** he even gets considered for the first round. the guy had elite numbers at the combine and a 6'6" frame, you keep talking positions muhammad can easily be drafted to play either 4-3 or 3-4 thats irrelevant you have guys switching systems every year, his combine numbers will determine where he goes

Floyd fits their scheme on D. All that matters

 

[Golsen82]

5th or 6th? Grace wont go pass day 2. Late 2nd round or early 3rd.

Yall forgetting about Grace. I think if he has another **** good year, he'll be a 1st rd pick too. Im sure someone on this board will mention his weight and why he wont go 1st rd.

I can see a team taking him int the 5th or 6th if he has a good year. Maybe a team thatd try him out at safety

Sean Spence was drafted third round and he has close enough size to Grace. Yet Grace hasnt done as much here as Spence, so IMO Grace isnt going as high as you think.

 

[Golsen82]

it does matter what he tested, thats my entire point, the scouts and GM's are looking at certain numbers, its funny you mentioned spence because as soon as he ran a 4.8 40 mike mayock dropped him in his rankings and he didnt end up being drafted until the 2nd day. i'm not comparing floyd and muhammad's defensive responsibilities but only stating that if muhammad can test similar to what floyd did at the combine he'll be a top pick regardless if he has gaudy sack numbers which some guys think you need. you can find alot of strong guys that can set the edge in the draft but not many have a high vertical or can run a 4.6 40 yd dash

DUDE !! Leonard Floyd wasn't drafted high for his measurables, they all knew he was an athletic freak before the combine. I'll give you a better comparison, Quan Muhammad needs to be productive to get into the first round like Shaq Lawson and do you know why?? Because he's a 4-3 end, not a 3-4 OLB who asked to cover at times. If Shaq went to the combine and worked out the way he worked out but they went back and saw he only had 3.5 sacks like he did in 2015 do you think he goes 19th to the bills??

go read all the pre draft scouting reports, this guy floyd was consensus boom or bust prospect, let me let you in on a secret the boom aspect of it is because of his mesaureables! why on earth would you have 2 teams in the top 10 willing to draft a light in the pass rusher who allegedly played at 230 some pounds and only produced 4 sacks unless he tested off the charts? if this guy posted a 29 inch vert and a 4.8 40 there is no way in **** he even gets considered for the first round. the guy had elite numbers at the combine and a 6'6" frame, you keep talking positions muhammad can easily be drafted to play either 4-3 or 3-4 thats irrelevant, his combine numbers will determine where he goes

....you're an idiot dude, he's a boom or bust prospect because HE'S RAIL ****ING THIN AND THEY QUESTION IF HE CAN HANDLE THE STRENGTH OF NFL OFFENSIVE LINEMEN GO READ HIS SCOUTING REPORT, and if you would've tested like that **** right he would've fell because it would've scared scouts ****less ! Quick question if measurables matter so much over statistics instead of it being a balance for both, why wasn't Charles Tapper a first round pick when he had the best day out of all the pass rushers...hmm I wonder if it's because he had 13.5 career sacks with 7 of them in 2015? Idk why I'm even arguing with, you obviously don't know what you're talking about and you're making yourself look like an idiot

you're a moron, tapper was never mentioned in ANY mock draft as being a top 10 prospect while floyd was in all of them he tested the best in drills that measure explosiveness there was never a question about it, he tested FIRST in the vertical jump, broad jump and 40 yard dash that along with being 6'6" is what got him drafted high, you're trying to argue a guy with 4 sacks was drafted off his production, when its clear the scouts were looking for explosive traits and length which he has.

you just proved my point for me, that he would've fell like a rock if he tested badly, so why on earth was he drafted top 10 with such poor production and a thin frame? combine performance is the answer ******, you got **** between your ears boy.

My Cowboys took Tapper. In Mcclay we trust!!

 

[Zbrod95]

it does matter what he tested, thats my entire point, the scouts and GM's are looking at certain numbers, its funny you mentioned spence because as soon as he ran a 4.8 40 mike mayock dropped him in his rankings and he didnt end up being drafted until the 2nd day. i'm not comparing floyd and muhammad's defensive responsibilities but only stating that if muhammad can test similar to what floyd did at the combine he'll be a top pick regardless if he has gaudy sack numbers which some guys think you need. you can find alot of strong guys that can set the edge in the draft but not many have a high vertical or can run a 4.6 40 yd dash

DUDE !! Leonard Floyd wasn't drafted high for his measurables, they all knew he was an athletic freak before the combine. I'll give you a better comparison, Quan Muhammad needs to be productive to get into the first round like Shaq Lawson and do you know why?? Because he's a 4-3 end, not a 3-4 OLB who asked to cover at times. If Shaq went to the combine and worked out the way he worked out but they went back and saw he only had 3.5 sacks like he did in 2015 do you think he goes 19th to the bills??

go read all the pre draft scouting reports, this guy floyd was consensus boom or bust prospect, let me let you in on a secret the boom aspect of it is because of his mesaureables! why on earth would you have 2 teams in the top 10 willing to draft a light in the pass rusher who allegedly played at 230 some pounds and only produced 4 sacks unless he tested off the charts? if this guy posted a 29 inch vert and a 4.8 40 there is no way in **** he even gets considered for the first round. the guy had elite numbers at the combine and a 6'6" frame, you keep talking positions muhammad can easily be drafted to play either 4-3 or 3-4 thats irrelevant, his combine numbers will determine where he goes

....you're an idiot dude, he's a boom or bust prospect because HE'S RAIL ****ING THIN AND THEY QUESTION IF HE CAN HANDLE THE STRENGTH OF NFL OFFENSIVE LINEMEN GO READ HIS SCOUTING REPORT, and if you would've tested like that **** right he would've fell because it would've scared scouts ****less ! Quick question if measurables matter so much over statistics instead of it being a balance for both, why wasn't Charles Tapper a first round pick when he had the best day out of all the pass rushers...hmm I wonder if it's because he had 13.5 career sacks with 7 of them in 2015? Idk why I'm even arguing with, you obviously don't know what you're talking about and you're making yourself look like an idiot

you're a moron floyd tested the best in drills the measure explosiveness there was never a question about it, he tested FIRST in the vertical, broad and 40 yard dash that along with being 6'6" is what got him drafted high, you're trying to argue a guy with 4 sacks was drafted off his production, when its clear the scouts were looking for explosive traits and length which he has.

have you read anything I said?? You're arguing that if Quan tested like Leonard Floyd WHO'S A ******* LINEBACKER AND TESTED WITH THE LINEBACKERS he'll be a first round pick and I debunked everything you've said BECAUSE QUAN DOESNT FIT INTO ANY LINEBACKER CATEGORY, HE'S A 4-3 END and the best guys who tested at DE are Shaq Lawson and Charles Tapper. Now what's the difference between Shaq Lawson and Charles Tapper?? 45.5 career TFL's with 20 career sacks for Shaq and 24 career TFL's, with 13.5 sacks for Charles tapper...OH what do you know it's production. Stop trying to compare a 3-4 OLB measurements to a 4-3 DE , especially if the OLB in question was asked to drop into coverage. Are you done now, can get on with my day or are still going to try and compare measurement expectation all day??

 

[58straight]

DUDE !! Leonard Floyd wasn't drafted high for his measurables, they all knew he was an athletic freak before the combine. I'll give you a better comparison, Quan Muhammad needs to be productive to get into the first round like Shaq Lawson and do you know why?? Because he's a 4-3 end, not a 3-4 OLB who asked to cover at times. If Shaq went to the combine and worked out the way he worked out but they went back and saw he only had 3.5 sacks like he did in 2015 do you think he goes 19th to the bills??

go read all the pre draft scouting reports, this guy floyd was consensus boom or bust prospect, let me let you in on a secret the boom aspect of it is because of his mesaureables! why on earth would you have 2 teams in the top 10 willing to draft a light in the pass rusher who allegedly played at 230 some pounds and only produced 4 sacks unless he tested off the charts? if this guy posted a 29 inch vert and a 4.8 40 there is no way in **** he even gets considered for the first round. the guy had elite numbers at the combine and a 6'6" frame, you keep talking positions muhammad can easily be drafted to play either 4-3 or 3-4 thats irrelevant, his combine numbers will determine where he goes

....you're an idiot dude, he's a boom or bust prospect because HE'S RAIL ****ING THIN AND THEY QUESTION IF HE CAN HANDLE THE STRENGTH OF NFL OFFENSIVE LINEMEN GO READ HIS SCOUTING REPORT, and if you would've tested like that **** right he would've fell because it would've scared scouts ****less ! Quick question if measurables matter so much over statistics instead of it being a balance for both, why wasn't Charles Tapper a first round pick when he had the best day out of all the pass rushers...hmm I wonder if it's because he had 13.5 career sacks with 7 of them in 2015? Idk why I'm even arguing with, you obviously don't know what you're talking about and you're making yourself look like an idiot

you're a moron floyd tested the best in drills the measure explosiveness there was never a question about it, he tested FIRST in the vertical, broad and 40 yard dash that along with being 6'6" is what got him drafted high, you're trying to argue a guy with 4 sacks was drafted off his production, when its clear the scouts were looking for explosive traits and length which he has.

have you read anything I said?? You're arguing that if Quan tested like Leonard Floyd WHO'S A ****ING LINEBACKER AND TESTED WITH THE LINEBACKERS he'll be a first round pick and I debunked everything you've said BECAUSE QUAN DOESNT FIT INTO ANY LINEBACKER CATEGORY, HE'S A 4-3 END and the best guys who tested at DE are Shaq Lawson and Charles Tapper. Now what's the difference between Shaq Lawson and Charles Tapper?? 45.5 career TFL's with 20 career sacks for Shaq and 24 career TFL's, with 13.5 sacks for Charles tapper...OH what do you know it's production. Stop trying to compare a 3-4 OLB measurements to a 4-3 DE , especially if the OLB in question was asked to drop into coverage. Are you done now, can get on with my day or are still going to try and compare measurement expectation all day??

muhammad is not strictly a 4-3 end he's listed at 6'4" 250 on the canes website, that matches up size wise with plenty of 3-4 outside LB's in the NFL, namely Von Miller 6'3' 250 or khalil mack 6'3" 250 who switches from rushing line backer to hand in the ground DE for the raiders. He could end up playing in either defense in the league, you didnt debunk anything, your spouting off worthless stats of some guy that has nothing to do with what i'm talking about. what i said was true, if muhammad has elite testing numbers he will be a top pick period i dont care what defensive group he tests with they'll be scrutinizing his numbers

 

[Zbrod95]

it does matter what he tested, thats my entire point, the scouts and GM's are looking at certain numbers, its funny you mentioned spence because as soon as he ran a 4.8 40 mike mayock dropped him in his rankings and he didnt end up being drafted until the 2nd day. i'm not comparing floyd and muhammad's defensive responsibilities but only stating that if muhammad can test similar to what floyd did at the combine he'll be a top pick regardless if he has gaudy sack numbers which some guys think you need. you can find alot of strong guys that can set the edge in the draft but not many have a high vertical or can run a 4.6 40 yd dash

DUDE !! Leonard Floyd wasn't drafted high for his measurables, they all knew he was an athletic freak before the combine. I'll give you a better comparison, Quan Muhammad needs to be productive to get into the first round like Shaq Lawson and do you know why?? Because he's a 4-3 end, not a 3-4 OLB who asked to cover at times. If Shaq went to the combine and worked out the way he worked out but they went back and saw he only had 3.5 sacks like he did in 2015 do you think he goes 19th to the bills??

go read all the pre draft scouting reports, this guy floyd was consensus boom or bust prospect, let me let you in on a secret the boom aspect of it is because of his mesaureables! why on earth would you have 2 teams in the top 10 willing to draft a light in the pass rusher who allegedly played at 230 some pounds and only produced 4 sacks unless he tested off the charts? if this guy posted a 29 inch vert and a 4.8 40 there is no way in **** he even gets considered for the first round. the guy had elite numbers at the combine and a 6'6" frame, you keep talking positions muhammad can easily be drafted to play either 4-3 or 3-4 thats irrelevant, his combine numbers will determine where he goes

....you're an idiot dude, he's a boom or bust prospect because HE'S RAIL ****ING THIN AND THEY QUESTION IF HE CAN HANDLE THE STRENGTH OF NFL OFFENSIVE LINEMEN GO READ HIS SCOUTING REPORT, and if you would've tested like that **** right he would've fell because it would've scared scouts ****less ! Quick question if measurables matter so much over statistics instead of it being a balance for both, why wasn't Charles Tapper a first round pick when he had the best day out of all the pass rushers...hmm I wonder if it's because he had 13.5 career sacks with 7 of them in 2015? Idk why I'm even arguing with, you obviously don't know what you're talking about and you're making yourself look like an idiot

you're a moron, tapper was never mentioned in ANY mock draft as being a top 10 prospect while floyd was in all of them he tested the best in drills that measure explosiveness there was never a question about it, he tested FIRST in the vertical jump, broad jump and 40 yard dash that along with being 6'6" is what got him drafted high, you're trying to argue a guy with 4 sacks was drafted off his production, when its clear the scouts were looking for explosive traits and length which he has.

you just proved my point for me, that he would've fell like a rock if he tested badly, so why on earth was he drafted top 10 with such poor production and a thin frame? combine performance is the answer ******, you got **** between your ears boy.

Oh look at you editing your post because you ran out of stuff to say, You're still trying to compare measurements of a 3-4 OLB that was expected to test well with 17 career sacks(keep bringing up the 4.5 and forgetting he lead his team in tackles with 72) to a 4-3 End that will never be a 3-4 OLB because you know what you're talking about right. Saying someone has shut between his ears when you got an IQ closer to a gerbal then a human being

 

[Golsen82]

DUDE !! Leonard Floyd wasn't drafted high for his measurables, they all knew he was an athletic freak before the combine. I'll give you a better comparison, Quan Muhammad needs to be productive to get into the first round like Shaq Lawson and do you know why?? Because he's a 4-3 end, not a 3-4 OLB who asked to cover at times. If Shaq went to the combine and worked out the way he worked out but they went back and saw he only had 3.5 sacks like he did in 2015 do you think he goes 19th to the bills??

go read all the pre draft scouting reports, this guy floyd was consensus boom or bust prospect, let me let you in on a secret the boom aspect of it is because of his mesaureables! why on earth would you have 2 teams in the top 10 willing to draft a light in the pass rusher who allegedly played at 230 some pounds and only produced 4 sacks unless he tested off the charts? if this guy posted a 29 inch vert and a 4.8 40 there is no way in **** he even gets considered for the first round. the guy had elite numbers at the combine and a 6'6" frame, you keep talking positions muhammad can easily be drafted to play either 4-3 or 3-4 thats irrelevant, his combine numbers will determine where he goes

....you're an idiot dude, he's a boom or bust prospect because HE'S RAIL ****ING THIN AND THEY QUESTION IF HE CAN HANDLE THE STRENGTH OF NFL OFFENSIVE LINEMEN GO READ HIS SCOUTING REPORT, and if you would've tested like that **** right he would've fell because it would've scared scouts ****less ! Quick question if measurables matter so much over statistics instead of it being a balance for both, why wasn't Charles Tapper a first round pick when he had the best day out of all the pass rushers...hmm I wonder if it's because he had 13.5 career sacks with 7 of them in 2015? Idk why I'm even arguing with, you obviously don't know what you're talking about and you're making yourself look like an idiot

you're a moron floyd tested the best in drills the measure explosiveness there was never a question about it, he tested FIRST in the vertical, broad and 40 yard dash that along with being 6'6" is what got him drafted high, you're trying to argue a guy with 4 sacks was drafted off his production, when its clear the scouts were looking for explosive traits and length which he has.

have you read anything I said?? You're arguing that if Quan tested like Leonard Floyd WHO'S A ****ING LINEBACKER AND TESTED WITH THE LINEBACKERS he'll be a first round pick and I debunked everything you've said BECAUSE QUAN DOESNT FIT INTO ANY LINEBACKER CATEGORY, HE'S A 4-3 END and the best guys who tested at DE are Shaq Lawson and Charles Tapper. Now what's the difference between Shaq Lawson and Charles Tapper?? 45.5 career TFL's with 20 career sacks for Shaq and 24 career TFL's, with 13.5 sacks for Charles tapper...OH what do you know it's production. Stop trying to compare a 3-4 OLB measurements to a 4-3 DE , especially if the OLB in question was asked to drop into coverage. Are you done now, can get on with my day or are still going to try and compare measurement expectation all day??

Obviously the Bears saw he was the best player at the time thatd fit their Defensive scheme. Thats why he was drafted. Combine numbers are overrated imo

 

[58straight]

DUDE !! Leonard Floyd wasn't drafted high for his measurables, they all knew he was an athletic freak before the combine. I'll give you a better comparison, Quan Muhammad needs to be productive to get into the first round like Shaq Lawson and do you know why?? Because he's a 4-3 end, not a 3-4 OLB who asked to cover at times. If Shaq went to the combine and worked out the way he worked out but they went back and saw he only had 3.5 sacks like he did in 2015 do you think he goes 19th to the bills??

go read all the pre draft scouting reports, this guy floyd was consensus boom or bust prospect, let me let you in on a secret the boom aspect of it is because of his mesaureables! why on earth would you have 2 teams in the top 10 willing to draft a light in the pass rusher who allegedly played at 230 some pounds and only produced 4 sacks unless he tested off the charts? if this guy posted a 29 inch vert and a 4.8 40 there is no way in **** he even gets considered for the first round. the guy had elite numbers at the combine and a 6'6" frame, you keep talking positions muhammad can easily be drafted to play either 4-3 or 3-4 thats irrelevant, his combine numbers will determine where he goes

....you're an idiot dude, he's a boom or bust prospect because HE'S RAIL ****ING THIN AND THEY QUESTION IF HE CAN HANDLE THE STRENGTH OF NFL OFFENSIVE LINEMEN GO READ HIS SCOUTING REPORT, and if you would've tested like that **** right he would've fell because it would've scared scouts ****less ! Quick question if measurables matter so much over statistics instead of it being a balance for both, why wasn't Charles Tapper a first round pick when he had the best day out of all the pass rushers...hmm I wonder if it's because he had 13.5 career sacks with 7 of them in 2015? Idk why I'm even arguing with, you obviously don't know what you're talking about and you're making yourself look like an idiot

you're a moron, tapper was never mentioned in ANY mock draft as being a top 10 prospect while floyd was in all of them he tested the best in drills that measure explosiveness there was never a question about it, he tested FIRST in the vertical jump, broad jump and 40 yard dash that along with being 6'6" is what got him drafted high, you're trying to argue a guy with 4 sacks was drafted off his production, when its clear the scouts were looking for explosive traits and length which he has.

you just proved my point for me, that he would've fell like a rock if he tested badly, so why on earth was he drafted top 10 with such poor production and a thin frame? combine performance is the answer ******, you got **** between your ears boy.

Oh look at you editing your post because you ran out of stuff to say, You're still trying to compare measurements of a 3-4 OLB that was expected to test well with 17 career sacks(keep bringing up the 4.5 and forgetting he lead his team in tackles with 72) to a 4-3 End that will never be a 3-4 OLB because you know what you're talking about right. Saying someone has shut between his ears when you got an IQ closer to a gerbal then a human being

says the guy who just edited his post? who cares if I edited my post I'm actually going back and forth from working and trying to decipher the trash you keep typing so forgive me

 

[58straight]

you're still caught on up muhammad being a 4-3 end, just because he plays that in college doesnt mean that will be his position in the NFL, roughly HALF NFL defenses are 3-4 teams now and he's listed at 6'4" 250 which is prototypical size in some 3-4 schemes, you're an IDIOT

 

[Golsen82]

Zbrod95 isnt an idiot. I think he post valuable information and appreciate it. [MENTION=4652]58straight[/MENTION]

 

[Zbrod95]

go read all the pre draft scouting reports, this guy floyd was consensus boom or bust prospect, let me let you in on a secret the boom aspect of it is because of his mesaureables! why on earth would you have 2 teams in the top 10 willing to draft a light in the pass rusher who allegedly played at 230 some pounds and only produced 4 sacks unless he tested off the charts? if this guy posted a 29 inch vert and a 4.8 40 there is no way in **** he even gets considered for the first round. the guy had elite numbers at the combine and a 6'6" frame, you keep talking positions muhammad can easily be drafted to play either 4-3 or 3-4 thats irrelevant, his combine numbers will determine where he goes

....you're an idiot dude, he's a boom or bust prospect because HE'S RAIL ****ING THIN AND THEY QUESTION IF HE CAN HANDLE THE STRENGTH OF NFL OFFENSIVE LINEMEN GO READ HIS SCOUTING REPORT, and if you would've tested like that **** right he would've fell because it would've scared scouts ****less ! Quick question if measurables matter so much over statistics instead of it being a balance for both, why wasn't Charles Tapper a first round pick when he had the best day out of all the pass rushers...hmm I wonder if it's because he had 13.5 career sacks with 7 of them in 2015? Idk why I'm even arguing with, you obviously don't know what you're talking about and you're making yourself look like an idiot

you're a moron, tapper was never mentioned in ANY mock draft as being a top 10 prospect while floyd was in all of them he tested the best in drills that measure explosiveness there was never a question about it, he tested FIRST in the vertical jump, broad jump and 40 yard dash that along with being 6'6" is what got him drafted high, you're trying to argue a guy with 4 sacks was drafted off his production, when its clear the scouts were looking for explosive traits and length which he has.

you just proved my point for me, that he would've fell like a rock if he tested badly, so why on earth was he drafted top 10 with such poor production and a thin frame? combine performance is the answer ******, you got **** between your ears boy.

Oh look at you editing your post because you ran out of stuff to say, You're still trying to compare measurements of a 3-4 OLB that was expected to test well with 17 career sacks(keep bringing up the 4.5 and forgetting he lead his team in tackles with 72) to a 4-3 End that will never be a 3-4 OLB because you know what you're talking about right. Saying someone has shut between his ears when you got an IQ closer to a gerbal then a human being

says the guy who just edited his post? who cares if I edited my post I'm actually going back and forth from working and trying to decipher the trash you keep typing so forgive me

So am I bud, btw I never changed an entire post to make some uninformed sewage look like it makes some sense. I either went back to fix spelling because I'm typing on my iPad that has an auto correct feature or to go back to add something

 

[58straight]

....you're an idiot dude, he's a boom or bust prospect because HE'S RAIL ****ING THIN AND THEY QUESTION IF HE CAN HANDLE THE STRENGTH OF NFL OFFENSIVE LINEMEN GO READ HIS SCOUTING REPORT, and if you would've tested like that **** right he would've fell because it would've scared scouts ****less ! Quick question if measurables matter so much over statistics instead of it being a balance for both, why wasn't Charles Tapper a first round pick when he had the best day out of all the pass rushers...hmm I wonder if it's because he had 13.5 career sacks with 7 of them in 2015? Idk why I'm even arguing with, you obviously don't know what you're talking about and you're making yourself look like an idiot

you're a moron, tapper was never mentioned in ANY mock draft as being a top 10 prospect while floyd was in all of them he tested the best in drills that measure explosiveness there was never a question about it, he tested FIRST in the vertical jump, broad jump and 40 yard dash that along with being 6'6" is what got him drafted high, you're trying to argue a guy with 4 sacks was drafted off his production, when its clear the scouts were looking for explosive traits and length which he has.

you just proved my point for me, that he would've fell like a rock if he tested badly, so why on earth was he drafted top 10 with such poor production and a thin frame? combine performance is the answer ******, you got **** between your ears boy.

Oh look at you editing your post because you ran out of stuff to say, You're still trying to compare measurements of a 3-4 OLB that was expected to test well with 17 career sacks(keep bringing up the 4.5 and forgetting he lead his team in tackles with 72) to a 4-3 End that will never be a 3-4 OLB because you know what you're talking about right. Saying someone has shut between his ears when you got an IQ closer to a gerbal then a human being

says the guy who just edited his post? who cares if I edited my post I'm actually going back and forth from working and trying to decipher the trash you keep typing so forgive me

So am I bud, btw I never changed an entire post to make some uninformed sewage look like it makes some sense. I either went back to fix spelling because I'm typing on my iPad that has an about correct feature or to I went back add something

nobody cares if you're on your ipad or whatever you're concerned about some message board rep i couldnt give two ***s why you edited something or not just stop typing garbage to me i'm done with it

 

[brock]

Would be surprised if kaaya stayed at this point, si just projected him as the #1 overall pick next year... And that's on top of the countless amount of other mocks I have seen the past few days that had him as a top 5 pick

 

[Golsen82]

you're a moron, tapper was never mentioned in ANY mock draft as being a top 10 prospect while floyd was in all of them he tested the best in drills that measure explosiveness there was never a question about it, he tested FIRST in the vertical jump, broad jump and 40 yard dash that along with being 6'6" is what got him drafted high, you're trying to argue a guy with 4 sacks was drafted off his production, when its clear the scouts were looking for explosive traits and length which he has.

you just proved my point for me, that he would've fell like a rock if he tested badly, so why on earth was he drafted top 10 with such poor production and a thin frame? combine performance is the answer ******, you got **** between your ears boy.

Oh look at you editing your post because you ran out of stuff to say, You're still trying to compare measurements of a 3-4 OLB that was expected to test well with 17 career sacks(keep bringing up the 4.5 and forgetting he lead his team in tackles with 72) to a 4-3 End that will never be a 3-4 OLB because you know what you're talking about right. Saying someone has shut between his ears when you got an IQ closer to a gerbal then a human being

says the guy who just edited his post? who cares if I edited my post I'm actually going back and forth from working and trying to decipher the trash you keep typing so forgive me

So am I bud, btw I never changed an entire post to make some uninformed sewage look like it makes some sense. I either went back to fix spelling because I'm typing on my iPad that has an about correct feature or to I went back add something

nobody cares if you're on your ipad or whatever you're concerned about some message board rep i couldnt give two ***s why you edited something or not just stop typing garbage to me i'm done with it

And nobody cares if your going back and forth while your at work

 

[Bennubird]

Would be surprised if kaaya stayed at this point, si just projected him as the [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] overall pick next year... And that's on top of the countless amount of other mocks I have seen the past few days that had him as a top 5 pick

Probably true but let's play the season first B. LOL. No doubt Kaaya is the goods, let's hope that he plays like a #1 pick this year - twould be great for our Canes.

 

[TemplarCane]

Kaaya is smart enough to get an honest opinion from the NFL. If they say "first round" he's gone, especially if there are very few QBs and the teams in the top 10 haven't drafted franchise QBs in the last two or three seasons.


I think the next bet for the 1st round might be Njoku. If he has big season (for a TE) he could go second half of the first round.


Coley can stay healthy and have a big season - like Dorsett's final season - and even then his scouting report would read "was only productive two seasons due to injuries."


AQM has done nothing to warrant being drafted Day 1. Is he a senior or a junior? If he has two seasons left it would behoove him to spend both learning from Coach Kool. He's unlike to grow taller and bigger so he'll need all the technique he can acquire. Shaq Lawson was a dominant, productive, pass rushing DE for multiple seasons at Clemson, and was drafted 19TH.


Grace lacks size, and that will keep him out of Day 1, and probably Day 2.

see my example of leonard floyd at UGA he had no where near great production only 4 sacks last year and with slight frame only 240 lbs and he went in the top 10, if muhammad measures well and tests great in his vertical and 40 yd dash he will go first round, its a myth that you need this great body of work to be drafted highly its all about measurables with a lot of scouts they look for traits that cant be taught like explosiveness and length

I understand your rationale but Leonard Floyd is very athletic at 6-5+ and a frame to add weight. NFL teams are projecting Floyd as pass rushing DE - built like Simeon Rice. AQM does not have the same attributes. I do think AQM has a place in the NFL as an edge pass rusher. He's not a scrub by any means, just not a Day 1 pick. Hey - he's a Cane and I hope I'm wrong!

Floyd is the kind of player I would avoid like the plague if I were a GM. His lack of production would turn me off. Production in college can be overrated, there have been too many 'combine warriors' who crush all the tests and then flounder in the league. At the same time there aren't many with Floyd's physical gifts, so the Bears took a chance.

I would have drafted Lawson over Floyd without hesitating.

 

[Golsen82]

you're a moron, tapper was never mentioned in ANY mock draft as being a top 10 prospect while floyd was in all of them he tested the best in drills that measure explosiveness there was never a question about it, he tested FIRST in the vertical jump, broad jump and 40 yard dash that along with being 6'6" is what got him drafted high, you're trying to argue a guy with 4 sacks was drafted off his production, when its clear the scouts were looking for explosive traits and length which he has.

you just proved my point for me, that he would've fell like a rock if he tested badly, so why on earth was he drafted top 10 with such poor production and a thin frame? combine performance is the answer ******, you got **** between your ears boy.

Oh look at you editing your post because you ran out of stuff to say, You're still trying to compare measurements of a 3-4 OLB that was expected to test well with 17 career sacks(keep bringing up the 4.5 and forgetting he lead his team in tackles with 72) to a 4-3 End that will never be a 3-4 OLB because you know what you're talking about right. Saying someone has shut between his ears when you got an IQ closer to a gerbal then a human being

says the guy who just edited his post? who cares if I edited my post I'm actually going back and forth from working and trying to decipher the trash you keep typing so forgive me

So am I bud, btw I never changed an entire post to make some uninformed sewage look like it makes some sense. I either went back to fix spelling because I'm typing on my iPad that has an about correct feature or to I went back add something

nobody cares if you're on your ipad or whatever you're concerned about some message board rep i couldnt give two ***s why you edited something or not just stop typing garbage to me i'm done with it

Can't we all be friends? Lol