Wake game thoughts after rewatch

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What if there's a miscommunication in pass protection and a player worth multiples of that gets hurt?

I'm not disagreeing, but there's more to the decision than money.

He’s going to get hurt even with good communication because certain players aren’t physically strong enough. The more physically ready offensive lineman needs reps to reduce chances of miscommunication in the future.
 
If we’re being honest, the preseason hype was a bit ridiculous from the media this year. The “rat poison” was at an all-time high. I personally thought this was going to be a rebuilding year for us, but we had countless people saying this team was better than last year, including a lot of our own guys.

My rationale was that we were replacing four OL starters, including three OL who were probably three of the top 10 offensive linemen in all of college football. We were replacing two of the five best edge rushers in football. We were also replacing probably the best nickel in college football.

Mali is a straight dog and one of the best WRs in college football, but he’s not the reason we made the national championship. We made it because our trenches were the best in college football, and we had to replace almost all of them.
 
They are ready to play through mistakes as freshmen do.

Put them in and let them play all game against Central Michigan. They need to see a wider variety of DLs and DL moves than they have seen from the UM DLs.

There is no better teacher than "experience". And learning from one's mistakes.
Agreed. I don't think the classroom was at Wake though with all their movement.

I understand the reasoning behind bringing Cantwell and Big Ben along slowly. No reason to rush them and potentially ruin their confidence.

Central Michigan is a great opportunity to bring Cantwell along - I thought the same heading into FAMU but they stayed with SJ (maybe to build his confidence?)
 
You don't leave 3 million sitting on the bench ..you let Cantwell take his lumps...even non football people can see this...
What if there's a miscommunication in pass protection and a player worth multiples of that gets hurt?

I'm not disagreeing, but there's more to the decision than money.
What if your current starters just get whipped or wait for it……don’t communicate and your more expensive guy gets hurt
 
What if you have an undersized guard on skates getting blown up and the QB worth millions gets hurt?
Goes both ways DM
We’re already seeing mensah getting happy feet in the pocket…

His first time having to navigate that pocket for 4 quarters watching a D3 guard get blown up and he isn’t comfortable stepping into throws or running an offense
 
"I want to see more from Keona Davis and Jarquez Carter after the flashes they showed in camp."

Let's hope the flashes in camp wasn't b/c of the weak (borderline terrible) IOL
 
I'm not certain he understands football.
You could see he was undersized on his high school tape, but I thought he would be one of those undersized but twitchy/physical dudes like KC Jones…unfortunately, that hasn’t come into fruition.
 
The online reaction is too strong in every direction. Multiple things can be true at once. We played below our ability. Wake is still a solid, winning team with a veteran QB. Neither view cancels out the other. Our offensive line is not playoff-caliber right now. It's also early, and many takes about last year's OL and running game aged like milk.

I think the best approach is to focus on where we are and what we need to improve. It's a long season, and hopefully a very long one. Here are some thoughts after watching live in Winston-Salem and on replay:

- There were two drives that stood out to me as turning points. Five minutes left in the third. We're up 31-7. Wake hits a screen, Mo Toure forces a fumble and the turnover gets wiped out by Damon Wilson roughing the passer. Later in the drive, it's 3rd and 10 in the red zone. Omar Thornton and Bryce Fitzgerald get mixed up in zone coverage, Gio Lopez hits Jack Foley wide open, Thornton misses the tackle, Wake scores and starts regaining confidence.

We get the ball next. Second and 8 on our own 14. Both guards got beat, Mensah throws it away (his first incompletion), gets hit low and starts limping. After that, Mensah played uncharacteristically tentative. He bailed early out of some decent pockets and, when he stayed in the pocket, he threw early instead of standing strong and finding the open receiver (see 50/50 heave to Elija Lofton).

That's not to blame Mensah- he was awesome and the protection problems were very real. But I noticed a change in him on that play. Dawson got conservative after that, and my sense is that he was worried about his QB and our ability to protect him without our top playmakers.

- Those two drives hit on all our biggest issues. The interior struggled all night. SJ Alofaituli is getting some deserved heat, but Max Buchanan and Ryan Rodriguez had rough moments as well. Some of that is poor communication that can improve. But my real concern is how all three look on the field at the same time. None of them are Anez Cooper or Matt McCoy in terms of size and power. We just aren't firm enough there. Jackson Cantwell and Ben Congdon got a ton of first-team reps in camp, and Mirabal needs to keep pushing buttons to get them ready.

Missed tackles were an issue all night. Aside from the first two drives against Louisville, that was never a problem last season. Lopez and Carlos Hernandez are physically strong players, so they deserve some credit. But if our guys complete half the tackles they missed, it's a different game.

Another thing that came up in that sequence was lack of discipline. We had 75 penalty yards overall on the night. That would've put us 135th in the country last year as an average. Several of those penalties were critical in shifting momentum. We can't let that become a trend.

The last thing is injuries. Mensah's injury seemed minor, but those minor injuries added up. It makes a difference when you lose 2/3 of the best trio in America. Marty Brown's injury is a heartbreaker and puts a damper on everything.

- With that said, we won by 13 on the road against a conference opponent that was 11-4 under this coach. Winning is hard. Some say that a second-half performance like that can get us beat in the ACC. That's true. But this is also the type of ACC road game we lose in the past. And based on what I'm seeing in the UNC/Clemson game, Wake might be the best ACC road opponent on our schedule. They certainly have the best QB.

- Mark Fletcher is telling people his injury is just a stinger. Hopefully that's correct, because the game changed when he stopped getting carries. Javian Mallory, Jordan Lyle and Girard Pringle will get a chance to step up with Marty out. We ran a stretch play to to Pringle, but Rodriguez and Alofaituli got knocked back and the play lost 2. That drive reminded me of Lyle's carried against Syracuse- talented player, but wrong time in the game and it hurt our momentum.

- Quiet day for the receivers aside from Mali. It's alarming how much the offense stalled when he went out. We need multiple guys who can punish man coverage.

- Lofton made some nice blocks (see pancake on first quarter Fletcher run) and a couple big plays in the passing game. The key with him is getting him the ball in space. He's not a 50/50 ball winner like some longer TEs. We don't have that kind of presence on the roster, and it's a concern. Gavin Mueller competed as a blocker and helped spring Fletcher for a long run off the left side.

- The pass rush showed up when Wake Forest got down big and had to pass. Wilson made some mental mistakes, but was hugely impactful in getting a sack, forcing a safety and causing a turnover on downs. Marquise Lightfoot also had a good day. Ahmad Moten (dealing with injury) and Justin Scott haven't broken through yet, but they helped limit Wake to 22 yards rushing. I want to see more from Keona Davis and Jarquez Carter after the flashes they showed in camp. But we should also remember how Moten and Scott progressed throughout last season. Still early.

- We know the deal at linebacker. We're big and old, and teams are going to target Toure and Chase Smith in coverage. I liked seeing Ezekiel Marcelin early, and Kamal Bonner got some high-leverage snaps at the end of the game.

- There were a few bright spots in the secondary. Bryce Fitzgerald showed his ability to diagnose and was very physical. He's still learning at corner, but I expect his ball skills to show up as he gets more comfortable. Ethan O'Connor made a huge play which should boost his confidence. JJ Dunnigan played every defensive snap and did so at 100 MPH. He's going to be amazing.

However, it's clear Hetherman is still trying to protect the DBs. If we're going to play with so much cushion, the defensive backs need to do a better job communicating. There were several costly breakdowns, including the touchdown described above. Damari Brown still looks a little injured to me, and he's not playing with a ton of confidence. He's already a bigger guy at 200+ pounds, so playing slower hurts him even more. He did make a nice TFL, though. Thornton is a menace going downhill, but teams are going to keep challenging him like Wake did with Hernandez. I've seen Thornton cover Mali in practice, and while he's never going to be lockdown, I think there's more there than he showed on that play.

- One cool lineup that we used late in the fourth- Lightfoot, Wilson and Booker Pickett on the defensive line, Bobby Pruitt and Dunnigan at linebacker, Brown, O'Connor, Zechariah Poyser, Thornton and Dylan Day in the defensive backfield. Tons of speed on the field.

- While I can at least understand the rationale for playing conservative on offense, the decision to kick a 54-yard field goal makes no sense to me. Jake Weinberg is still an unproven young player, Mensah is more than capable of converting 4th and 4. Best case scenario if he hits the kick, it's still a two-score game. Someone needs to explain that one.

- I'm also disappointed we couldn't do more on kickoff return. The ACC is the top touchback conference in America, and we couldn't do anything despite finally getting opportunities to return.

Overall, it's a great time to play Central Michigan. We need to get healthier and younger. See you at the Rock.
Agreed D. It’s a long season and we have time to mature. I remember thinking we didn’t have a playoff team after the loss to SMU last year and look what happened. It’s super early. That said the injuries do worry me. They’ve come fast and furious and are mounting.
 
#1 - Shouts to CharMar Brown. Thank you for your service, brother. I hope we see you next year ready to ******* go. Devastating injury. You don't replace him. He is an important piece to winning a championship. He does everything and makes plays when they matter. Gave his season for this win. Hope this is the sacrifice the football gods want, and nothing more.

#2 - Wake is a pretty good team. And they played their asses off and they put a lil extra on those hits all game long. We're hurting today after playing them. Defensive line made the interior look rough at times. Slants on slants. The game is the game though. Friday night ACC game. Got that second half work from Gio Lopez and Carlos Hernandez. Happy Hispanic Heritage Month. This game goes very south for us under many other coaches, including the one we have now in another life. He's a better coach now and knows not to lose this game.

#3 - I think the story for the game for Miami was simple...once Mensah got rocked on that first incompletion, we went in a bit of a shell and got tighter once Fletcher and Toney were out. You really want to see the other guys step up, but Dawson got tight. That was the game plan though...attack the edges. It was a weakness of Wake's coming into the game...they just really had a great week of practice, I guess. They made us pay for trying them so much out in space. They were leaving the middle open most of the game...we should have had more of that Josh Moore TD all game long.

#4 - Alofaituli is small and he's not Mark Stepnoski, brother. Should be our utility guy that plays in jumbo packages as an extra lineman. He's got a skillset, but he's small. Usable, but not at LG. The interior needs to clean up the comms and clean up their understanding of the playcall. Silly mistakes. I don't think you wanted Cantwell out there for this one, but he should have been out there. They would have ****ed with his head all night with the slants, I'm sure. But the boy has to learn. We're tiny on the interior right now and could use him badly right now. Its a shame he's not ready for right tackle, McCoy at LG is missed and is probably the missing piece. I'm trying to be patient...offensive line needs reps together and this unit is just starting to work together, but the lack of size on the interior is tough with our run style.

#5 - Damon Wilson took away a turnover and cost us a drive that lead to Wake getting back into the game. Three games against our lightest work...Reuben Bain he is not.
 
The online reaction is too strong in every direction. Multiple things can be true at once. We played below our ability. Wake is still a solid, winning team with a veteran QB. Neither view cancels out the other. Our offensive line is not playoff-caliber right now. It's also early, and many takes about last year's OL and running game aged like milk.

I think the best approach is to focus on where we are and what we need to improve. It's a long season, and hopefully a very long one. Here are some thoughts after watching live in Winston-Salem and on replay:

- There were two drives that stood out to me as turning points. Five minutes left in the third. We're up 31-7. Wake hits a screen, Mo Toure forces a fumble and the turnover gets wiped out by Damon Wilson roughing the passer. Later in the drive, it's 3rd and 10 in the red zone. Omar Thornton and Bryce Fitzgerald get mixed up in zone coverage, Gio Lopez hits Jack Foley wide open, Thornton misses the tackle, Wake scores and starts regaining confidence.

We get the ball next. Second and 8 on our own 14. Both guards got beat, Mensah throws it away (his first incompletion), gets hit low and starts limping. After that, Mensah played uncharacteristically tentative. He bailed early out of some decent pockets and, when he stayed in the pocket, he threw early instead of standing strong and finding the open receiver (see 50/50 heave to Elija Lofton).

That's not to blame Mensah- he was awesome and the protection problems were very real. But I noticed a change in him on that play. Dawson got conservative after that, and my sense is that he was worried about his QB and our ability to protect him without our top playmakers.

- Those two drives hit on all our biggest issues. The interior struggled all night. SJ Alofaituli is getting some deserved heat, but Max Buchanan and Ryan Rodriguez had rough moments as well. Some of that is poor communication that can improve. But my real concern is how all three look on the field at the same time. None of them are Anez Cooper or Matt McCoy in terms of size and power. We just aren't firm enough there. Jackson Cantwell and Ben Congdon got a ton of first-team reps in camp, and Mirabal needs to keep pushing buttons to get them ready.

Missed tackles were an issue all night. Aside from the first two drives against Louisville, that was never a problem last season. Lopez and Carlos Hernandez are physically strong players, so they deserve some credit. But if our guys complete half the tackles they missed, it's a different game.

Another thing that came up in that sequence was lack of discipline. We had 75 penalty yards overall on the night. That would've put us 135th in the country last year as an average. Several of those penalties were critical in shifting momentum. We can't let that become a trend.

The last thing is injuries. Mensah's injury seemed minor, but those minor injuries added up. It makes a difference when you lose 2/3 of the best trio in America. Marty Brown's injury is a heartbreaker and puts a damper on everything.

- With that said, we won by 13 on the road against a conference opponent that was 11-4 under this coach. Winning is hard. Some say that a second-half performance like that can get us beat in the ACC. That's true. But this is also the type of ACC road game we lose in the past. And based on what I'm seeing in the UNC/Clemson game, Wake might be the best ACC road opponent on our schedule. They certainly have the best QB.

- Mark Fletcher is telling people his injury is just a stinger. Hopefully that's correct, because the game changed when he stopped getting carries. Javian Mallory, Jordan Lyle and Girard Pringle will get a chance to step up with Marty out. We ran a stretch play to to Pringle, but Rodriguez and Alofaituli got knocked back and the play lost 2. That drive reminded me of Lyle's carried against Syracuse- talented player, but wrong time in the game and it hurt our momentum.

- Quiet day for the receivers aside from Mali. It's alarming how much the offense stalled when he went out. We need multiple guys who can punish man coverage.

- Lofton made some nice blocks (see pancake on first quarter Fletcher run) and a couple big plays in the passing game. The key with him is getting him the ball in space. He's not a 50/50 ball winner like some longer TEs. We don't have that kind of presence on the roster, and it's a concern. Gavin Mueller competed as a blocker and helped spring Fletcher for a long run off the left side.

- The pass rush showed up when Wake Forest got down big and had to pass. Wilson made some mental mistakes, but was hugely impactful in getting a sack, forcing a safety and causing a turnover on downs. Marquise Lightfoot also had a good day. Ahmad Moten (dealing with injury) and Justin Scott haven't broken through yet, but they helped limit Wake to 22 yards rushing. I want to see more from Keona Davis and Jarquez Carter after the flashes they showed in camp. But we should also remember how Moten and Scott progressed throughout last season. Still early.

- We know the deal at linebacker. We're big and old, and teams are going to target Toure and Chase Smith in coverage. I liked seeing Ezekiel Marcelin early, and Kamal Bonner got some high-leverage snaps at the end of the game.

- There were a few bright spots in the secondary. Bryce Fitzgerald showed his ability to diagnose and was very physical. He's still learning at corner, but I expect his ball skills to show up as he gets more comfortable. Ethan O'Connor made a huge play which should boost his confidence. JJ Dunnigan played every defensive snap and did so at 100 MPH. He's going to be amazing.

However, it's clear Hetherman is still trying to protect the DBs. If we're going to play with so much cushion, the defensive backs need to do a better job communicating. There were several costly breakdowns, including the touchdown described above. Damari Brown still looks a little injured to me, and he's not playing with a ton of confidence. He's already a bigger guy at 200+ pounds, so playing slower hurts him even more. He did make a nice TFL, though. Thornton is a menace going downhill, but teams are going to keep challenging him like Wake did with Hernandez. I've seen Thornton cover Mali in practice, and while he's never going to be lockdown, I think there's more there than he showed on that play.

- One cool lineup that we used late in the fourth- Lightfoot, Wilson and Booker Pickett on the defensive line, Bobby Pruitt and Dunnigan at linebacker, Brown, O'Connor, Zechariah Poyser, Thornton and Dylan Day in the defensive backfield. Tons of speed on the field.

- While I can at least understand the rationale for playing conservative on offense, the decision to kick a 54-yard field goal makes no sense to me. Jake Weinberg is still an unproven young player, Mensah is more than capable of converting 4th and 4. Best case scenario if he hits the kick, it's still a two-score game. Someone needs to explain that one.

- I'm also disappointed we couldn't do more on kickoff return. The ACC is the top touchback conference in America, and we couldn't do anything despite finally getting opportunities to return.

Overall, it's a great time to play Central Michigan. We need to get healthier and younger. See you at the Rock.
Who is actually in charge of special teams? Having lost the championship because of special teams you would think we would look into fixing that side of the ball. Kick off return looked awful, punt and punt coverage was really rough Joyce needs more air time giving returners way too much time. Don't need to bring up the field goal unit we will most likely lose a game this year strictly from that unit.
 
Which begs the question. Why isn’t he playing center. Also, where the criticism of Ryan Rodriguez. I’ve been saying it for 5 years. Ryan Rodriguez isn’t an FBS center. He’s slow and weak.
He's playing for one simple reason but I'll probably get banned for saying it
 
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