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Visions aint that Bleak! Sky Cam Review of the 10 sacks & Player Observations

brock said:
Not sure if Jarren was able to push the ball down the field like that due to the tremendous amount of pressure he was under
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He has to make the throws in those windows and trust his receivers. You look at Tua and Trevor and they let it rip.

I think, as the OP said, Jarren was coached not to lose and not make the costly turnover so he resorted to his gun shy ways. He'll improve.

The offense was nothing special. If someone told you Richt called this game, I'd believe it
 
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Good post man.

The O-line need to get their bearings straight. The pre snap penalties were depressing. We talk about sacks, but there were a lot of pressures just overall... So have to wait for the young guys to get cohesion as unit upfront. There just isn’t a lot of patience here. Just fans being fans. O-line has to be an absolute focus in recruiting going forward.

Im not completely piling on, on the Oline. Jarren has some shared blame as well. Held on to the ball way too long at times. Some sacks don’t happen if he just gets rid of it, or jets like you mentioned. It was almost as if he was protecting his stats instead of his livelihood or something.

Enos, had a pretty good start with play calling, but I saw no adjustments as the line really started to deteriorate as the game went along. He doesn’t have the Bama offensive line anymore, so you can’t just beat people into submission.... Also I thought the west coast offense was designed to take the pressure off the O line?? There were just way too many long developing plays... Jarren rarely used his check down (probably due to poor Oline play)...

Im not fine with the missed tackles, but it was the first game of the season... it happens. I felt the defense held their own.

Generally, I think the offense was better than last year (scheme wise). Jarren is an upgrade at QB. Oline absolutely needs to get better... Defense just needs to have a better start. D line is not as dominant as we think it is, but we’ll forget that as we enter our weak schedule..

I think this team can be 11-1, with all things considered....
 
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edge said:
Wasn’t it confirmed that Martell was only playing because Pope was hurt?
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Not completely sure it does look like pope got hurt in the game. But I’m taking about when they had martell at qb, the gadget plays. Martell helped spring deejay Dallas with the motion on his td by drawing attention so I’m fine with plays like that
 
blackvern said:
Rewatched the game this morning on Xfinity SkyCam to get another POV of Jarren and the offensive line and the game.

Offense:

- 1st Sack slow developing PA pass Jarren had no hope bad play call
-2nd sack delayed LB blitz where there were no hot reads everybody went long there was nothing that Jarren could do, he played it safe and took the sack
- Jarren under pressure from a blitz again hits Jordan right in the hands and he drops it on 3rd and 5 wouldve been a first down.
-3rd sack from a CB blitz on a slow developing play action pass no chance.
-4th sack on a delayed blitz by LB Play was designed to go deep to Mallory, Outcoached long developing play and perfect defensive play call.
-5th sack on a QB option play i dont know WTF that was
-6th and 7th sack nobody was open held the ball
-8th sack Zion beat by Zuniga there was absolutely no one open, best decision wouldve been to take off running
-9th sack he rolled away from immense pressure after a blitz got outside the pocket and froze he fumbled
-10th sack Zuniga read the snap count had a head start beat Zion you have to give it to a great player making a great play right there


Some Offensive LIneman Player Evals
- Zion actually played decent until last drives in 4th quarter and thats all we remember. I think it was a combination of him wearing down, and Zuniga pinnin his ears back and learning the snap count. I repeat go look at the tape Zion handled Moon. Zuniga played everywhere and was only one who beat Zion.
- Campbell on the other hand aint ready @Liberty City El I was holding out hope but he is not ready. I'd give him a few more games to see what happens but we might have to put Scaife out there . Campbell did recover Osbournes fumble on the 4th his best play of the day
-Scaife was a ******* beast out there he man handled Zuniga and everybody whom we went against easily our best lineman.
-Gaynor played decent untill that last snap!!



Key Points
*To be honest a lot of those sacks where he held the ball no one was open Jarren was holding the ball trying to keep the play alive to see if something pops open, he didnt wanna throw it away in the pocket or make a dangerous throw because it was obvious he was coached to not lose the game, but You have to give it to Floridas defense. On the blitzes Jarren needs to recognize them and know where to go we know he can do it (as on the TD pass to Brevin) The delayed blitzes are what really confused him which can only get better with experience. , he was trying to make a play he will learn

*Zuniga and the D Line were slanting inside all night and destroyed a lot of our run plays, more running plays should have been called to the outside Grantham outcoached Enos in that sense.

* I feel we should have made JT4 a bigger part of the game, why we are running reverses to Osborne instead of him I have no idea.

* Our running backs are very good not elite in space. Im hoping Lingard will change that when he returns against N. Carolina

* Please somebody tell me why we ran the read Option with Tate in the Red Zone when Dallas was killing it??

*Bunch formation sets are a night mare against blitzing DB's bad coaching decision by Enos

*Zion will be fine, Campbell on the other hand

Defense

-A lot of plays where we only rushed 3, the porsters on here obviously couldnt see we were more worried about Franks running then throwing the times we pinned our ears back we got to him and pressured him. He's big and strong and broke the tackles of two sacks. Shaq looks faster as he did the beginning of the year last year he ran down perrine on a few screens.

- Secondary looked good Frierson played awsome. Blades and Hall need to work on their tackling Hall and blades both missed a few. A. Carter played awesome. I see why he started over D. Smith. he can run.

- D Line looked the best against the run as long as I can remember. Ford was unblockable and Bethel played great.
- Rousseau and Hill need to get more PT they caused pressures
- Patchan was solid and recovered a FF
- Jimmy Murphy was haulin *** on KR

In conclusion,

I cant remember a time where we held down an offense of UF's caliber on the road. Although we didnt deserve to win the game we were a muffed punt , a missed FG and dropped td away from winning the game. Both teams were penalized heavily. I think Enos got outcoached by Grantham it happens,but I cant lie im a little worried about it. I will give Enos the benefit of the doubt we were on thorad first start for a freshman QB and two freshman tackles. Their blitzes confused us all night. He went away from motion and crossing routes, guys just were not open and its easy to see on SkyCam. A great team wins that game a good team loses them. Sucks but we couldve won this game. We arent great but these next 3 months will show how good we are.
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Carter played well but he missed two tackles on the Toney run
 
blackvern said:
Rewatched the game this morning on Xfinity SkyCam to get another POV of Jarren and the offensive line and the game.

Offense:

- 1st Sack slow developing PA pass Jarren had no hope bad play call
-2nd sack delayed LB blitz where there were no hot reads everybody went long there was nothing that Jarren could do, he played it safe and took the sack
- Jarren under pressure from a blitz again hits Jordan right in the hands and he drops it on 3rd and 5 wouldve been a first down.
-3rd sack from a CB blitz on a slow developing play action pass no chance.
-4th sack on a delayed blitz by LB Play was designed to go deep to Mallory, Outcoached long developing play and perfect defensive play call.
-5th sack on a QB option play i dont know WTF that was
-6th and 7th sack nobody was open held the ball
-8th sack Zion beat by Zuniga there was absolutely no one open, best decision wouldve been to take off running
-9th sack he rolled away from immense pressure after a blitz got outside the pocket and froze he fumbled
-10th sack Zuniga read the snap count had a head start beat Zion you have to give it to a great player making a great play right there


Some Offensive LIneman Player Evals
- Zion actually played decent until last drives in 4th quarter and thats all we remember. I think it was a combination of him wearing down, and Zuniga pinnin his ears back and learning the snap count. I repeat go look at the tape Zion handled Moon. Zuniga played everywhere and was only one who beat Zion.
- Campbell on the other hand aint ready @Liberty City El I was holding out hope but he is not ready. I'd give him a few more games to see what happens but we might have to put Scaife out there . Campbell did recover Osbournes fumble on the 4th his best play of the day
-Scaife was a ******* beast out there he man handled Zuniga and everybody whom we went against easily our best lineman.
-Gaynor played decent untill that last snap!!



Key Points
*To be honest a lot of those sacks where he held the ball no one was open Jarren was holding the ball trying to keep the play alive to see if something pops open, he didnt wanna throw it away in the pocket or make a dangerous throw because it was obvious he was coached to not lose the game, but You have to give it to Floridas defense. On the blitzes Jarren needs to recognize them and know where to go we know he can do it (as on the TD pass to Brevin) The delayed blitzes are what really confused him which can only get better with experience. , he was trying to make a play he will learn

*Zuniga and the D Line were slanting inside all night and destroyed a lot of our run plays, more running plays should have been called to the outside Grantham outcoached Enos in that sense.

* I feel we should have made JT4 a bigger part of the game, why we are running reverses to Osborne instead of him I have no idea.

* Our running backs are very good not elite in space. Im hoping Lingard will change that when he returns against N. Carolina

* Please somebody tell me why we ran the read Option with Tate in the Red Zone when Dallas was killing it??

*Bunch formation sets are a night mare against blitzing DB's bad coaching decision by Enos

*Zion will be fine, Campbell on the other hand

Defense

-A lot of plays where we only rushed 3, the porsters on here obviously couldnt see we were more worried about Franks running then throwing the times we pinned our ears back we got to him and pressured him. He's big and strong and broke the tackles of two sacks. Shaq looks faster as he did the beginning of the year last year he ran down perrine on a few screens.

- Secondary looked good Frierson played awsome. Blades and Hall need to work on their tackling Hall and blades both missed a few. A. Carter played awesome. I see why he started over D. Smith. he can run.

- D Line looked the best against the run as long as I can remember. Ford was unblockable and Bethel played great.
- Rousseau and Hill need to get more PT they caused pressures
- Patchan was solid and recovered a FF
- Jimmy Murphy was haulin *** on KR

In conclusion,

I cant remember a time where we held down an offense of UF's caliber on the road. Although we didnt deserve to win the game we were a muffed punt , a missed FG and dropped td away from winning the game. Both teams were penalized heavily. I think Enos got outcoached by Grantham it happens,but I cant lie im a little worried about it. I will give Enos the benefit of the doubt we were on thorad first start for a freshman QB and two freshman tackles. Their blitzes confused us all night. He went away from motion and crossing routes, guys just were not open and its easy to see on SkyCam. A great team wins that game a good team loses them. Sucks but we couldve won this game. We arent great but these next 3 months will show how good we are.
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I vernell a hard time its the city in me
But he at least gives us context.. that's all you can ask for
 
brock said:
Not completely sure it does look like pope got hurt in the game. But I’m taking about when they had martell at qb, the gadget plays. Martell helped spring deejay Dallas with the motion on his td by drawing attention so I’m fine with plays like that
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Good points. I was actually replying to Jhall regarding all the wr snaps he got.
 
JgDaCane said:
Martell played way too much. That was my biggest gripe on O. I’m fine with him playing in the wildcat, I’m fine with him being used as a decoy from time to time but to actually use him as a WR for 25% of the snaps is ludicrous.
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Tate can play WR. As I said in another thread go watch the play where JT dropped the TD. Tate was wide open and would have walked into the endzone.
 
This can still be a great team and probably already is but we aren’t good enough to overcome 10 sacks in a game as well as a litany of penalty issues, dropped tds late, missed fgs, dropped punt return and other things. No one is...

What I liked for the most part these kids fought for sure, they didn’t just lay down like they did vs Wisconsin and LSU last year. We had a legitimate chance at winning even with all the stuff not going our way. Let’s see what happens and specifically what improvements are made. That was the best overall team in terms of talent on both sides of the ball we will see all year until Clemson if we make it there and we stood toe to toe with them and probably should have won that game
 
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JgDaCane said:
Martell played way too much. That was my biggest gripe on O. I’m fine with him playing in the wildcat, I’m fine with him being used as a decoy from time to time but to actually use him as a WR for 25% of the snaps is ludicrous.
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IMO, Martell was mostly a non factor. Putting someone else instead of him wouldn't make a difference if we ran the same scheme. Since we're talking about offense, I believe we gave up on the motion and short crossing patterns too quickly. I think it would also help if we can find a tight end that can throw a block.

I'm hoping it's just a case of Enos not knowing his personnel as well as Grantham knows his. We'll find out over the next few games. Nothing he's observed is not fixable. Except for maybe Campbell. At this point, who knows who's ready to play guard if Scaife has to slide out to tackle.
 
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blackvern said:
Rewatched the game this morning on Xfinity SkyCam to get another POV of Jarren and the offensive line and the game.

Offense:

- 1st Sack slow developing PA pass Jarren had no hope bad play call
-2nd sack delayed LB blitz where there were no hot reads everybody went long there was nothing that Jarren could do, he played it safe and took the sack
- Jarren under pressure from a blitz again hits Jordan right in the hands and he drops it on 3rd and 5 wouldve been a first down.
-3rd sack from a CB blitz on a slow developing play action pass no chance.
-4th sack on a delayed blitz by LB Play was designed to go deep to Mallory, Outcoached long developing play and perfect defensive play call.
-5th sack on a QB option play i dont know WTF that was
-6th and 7th sack nobody was open held the ball
-8th sack Zion beat by Zuniga there was absolutely no one open, best decision wouldve been to take off running
-9th sack he rolled away from immense pressure after a blitz got outside the pocket and froze he fumbled
-10th sack Zuniga read the snap count had a head start beat Zion you have to give it to a great player making a great play right there


Some Offensive LIneman Player Evals
- Zion actually played decent until last drives in 4th quarter and thats all we remember. I think it was a combination of him wearing down, and Zuniga pinnin his ears back and learning the snap count. I repeat go look at the tape Zion handled Moon. Zuniga played everywhere and was only one who beat Zion.
- Campbell on the other hand aint ready @Liberty City El I was holding out hope but he is not ready. I'd give him a few more games to see what happens but we might have to put Scaife out there . Campbell did recover Osbournes fumble on the 4th his best play of the day
-Scaife was a ******* beast out there he man handled Zuniga and everybody whom we went against easily our best lineman.
-Gaynor played decent untill that last snap!!



Key Points
*To be honest a lot of those sacks where he held the ball no one was open Jarren was holding the ball trying to keep the play alive to see if something pops open, he didnt wanna throw it away in the pocket or make a dangerous throw because it was obvious he was coached to not lose the game, but You have to give it to Floridas defense. On the blitzes Jarren needs to recognize them and know where to go we know he can do it (as on the TD pass to Brevin) The delayed blitzes are what really confused him which can only get better with experience. , he was trying to make a play he will learn

*Zuniga and the D Line were slanting inside all night and destroyed a lot of our run plays, more running plays should have been called to the outside Grantham outcoached Enos in that sense.

* I feel we should have made JT4 a bigger part of the game, why we are running reverses to Osborne instead of him I have no idea.

* Our running backs are very good not elite in space. Im hoping Lingard will change that when he returns against N. Carolina

* Please somebody tell me why we ran the read Option with Tate in the Red Zone when Dallas was killing it??

*Bunch formation sets are a night mare against blitzing DB's bad coaching decision by Enos

*Zion will be fine, Campbell on the other hand

Defense

-A lot of plays where we only rushed 3, the porsters on here obviously couldnt see we were more worried about Franks running then throwing the times we pinned our ears back we got to him and pressured him. He's big and strong and broke the tackles of two sacks. Shaq looks faster as he did the beginning of the year last year he ran down perrine on a few screens.

- Secondary looked good Frierson played awsome. Blades and Hall need to work on their tackling Hall and blades both missed a few. A. Carter played awesome. I see why he started over D. Smith. he can run.

- D Line looked the best against the run as long as I can remember. Ford was unblockable and Bethel played great.
- Rousseau and Hill need to get more PT they caused pressures
- Patchan was solid and recovered a FF
- Jimmy Murphy was haulin *** on KR

In conclusion,

I cant remember a time where we held down an offense of UF's caliber on the road. Although we didnt deserve to win the game we were a muffed punt , a missed FG and dropped td away from winning the game. Both teams were penalized heavily. I think Enos got outcoached by Grantham it happens,but I cant lie im a little worried about it. I will give Enos the benefit of the doubt we were on thorad first start for a freshman QB and two freshman tackles. Their blitzes confused us all night. He went away from motion and crossing routes, guys just were not open and its easy to see on SkyCam. A great team wins that game a good team loses them. Sucks but we couldve won this game. We arent great but these next 3 months will show how good we are.
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Where you get that footage Chief?
 
Sabetta said:
Some good observations. Especially about the DL keeping Franks contained and therefore disciplined in their rush lanes.

Disagree on Carter. Manny said he should been playing over the top of that long pass to Hammond. Outside of Bandy, the Secondary needs to tackle much better
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Yes that play was his fault i left it out he was too far to the right, one bad play but overall he played well made solid tackles and had that pic
 
If Jarren takes a beating like this every week, he might have to call it quits like Luck. I wouldn’t even blame him. When the guys who are supposed to be protecting are not, there is only so much you can do. Enos is one of those guys meant to protect.
 
NorthEastCane said:
IMO, Martell was mostly a non factor. Putting someone else instead of him wouldn't make a difference if we ran the same scheme. Since we're talking about offense, I believe we gave up on the motion and short crossing patterns too quickly. I think it would also help if we can find a tight end that can throw a block.

I'm hoping it's just a case of Enos not knowing his personnel as well as Grantham knows his. We'll find out over the next few games. Nothing he's observed is not fixable. Except for maybe Campbell. At this point, who knows who's ready to play guard if Scaife has to slide out to tackle.
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I can’t beleive nobody gets this. You may as well put a linemen at WR if you’re putting Martell there. By putting Pope or Hightower in its an extra real target. Very simple idk whats so hard to understand.
 
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