forums
Video: DeAndre Wilder vs. Norland
- Thread starter Peter Ariz
- Start date
Advertisement
I hope we pass, and load up on OL, DBs, WRS and if we want another LB get Breon Dixon b/c they aren't going after Miller.
Advertisement
- Joined
- May 14, 2016
- Messages
- 33,486
I don't see what the difficulty is, they're playing him at DE because they need pass rushers...
It's beyond obvious he's going to play LB once he gets on the next level.
The kid has track speed & will be a 20 year old Freshman, which means he won't need much development & won't have too much trouble adding weight. Also, he's at least 195-200lbs, are we forgetting that Grace was only 205-210lbs...
Look, I'm no scout & there are many that know more than me, but if this kid wants to come here (which he does) then I don't see why he's not a take.
I keep hearing we're going to take another LB instead of him, but Breon Dixon & Tyler Taylor most likely aren't coming, so who then?
What out of state LB are we after that hasn't even visited yet, that is just going to commit to us randomly on NSD?
It's beyond obvious he's going to play LB once he gets on the next level.
The kid has track speed & will be a 20 year old Freshman, which means he won't need much development & won't have too much trouble adding weight. Also, he's at least 195-200lbs, are we forgetting that Grace was only 205-210lbs...
Look, I'm no scout & there are many that know more than me, but if this kid wants to come here (which he does) then I don't see why he's not a take.
I keep hearing we're going to take another LB instead of him, but Breon Dixon & Tyler Taylor most likely aren't coming, so who then?
What out of state LB are we after that hasn't even visited yet, that is just going to commit to us randomly on NSD?
Last edited:
TheNation305
Recruit
- Joined
- May 13, 2016
- Messages
- 225
I feel like Mike Smith played DE bcuz that was his most effective positon meanwhile Wilder is an LB that thats playing out of positon. Add Wilder runs track is a fast explosive athlete, Smith clocked in 4.9/5.0 flat his freshman year. However, I do think tweeners haven't worked out for us and we should stay away but I don't think Wilder is truly a tweener like Smith,Green,Mrob,etc were.
I see this a lot with HS ball. Coaches don't care about your best position at the next level , they care about winning games.
There's plenty of coaches that do this, especially taking the best athlete and just putting him at qb. It's lazy , but they know it gives them the best chance of winning and keeping the checks rolling in.
What I find funny is he was a stud six months ago, a " must get 4 star croot". Everybody loved him. Now that the staff has cooled on him some around here think he's a scrub. Which I don't get, his film looks great imo. I thought he was a take a year ago and I still do now. Nothing has changed in a year.
He'll just be another SFla stud that goes elsewhere and ball out then the same guys will ***** about losing him.
Advertisement
I don't see a Smith comparison at all. Wilder looks way more fluid and quicker in space.
- Joined
- Nov 2, 2011
- Messages
- 21,527
Vernon
MRob
Weavers
That's off the top of my head.
There are tons more tweeners that were undersized for their position or transitioned from LB to DE. Heck, you can go back to the 90s and rattle off a bunch (krein, rusty, et al).
He's not a de , let's just stop with that. He's playing out of position to help the team.
Zero chance his hand is in the dirt at the next level. Just look at his lb film from last year . Dude is a striker that plays sideline to sideline
Zero chance his hand is in the dirt at the next level. Just look at his lb film from last year . Dude is a striker that plays sideline to sideline
YoungBallCoach
Redshirt Freshman
- Joined
- Jan 16, 2013
- Messages
- 214
It's funny. If people saw cut ups like this for some of these "elite" kids you would be surprised how many plays they "take off". Do think he is out of position though. I know coaches sometimes have to play guys in spots for the betterment of the team. But i feel like it would be best if they moved him around more to really showcase his skills on film. Doesn't help a kids stock with videos like this around.
Advertisement
First off, Vernon played rush end in HS, was a DE in college and in the pros so I don't know what the **** you are talking about with that one.
MRob played rush end in HS, but was projected to be a 4 star OLB but could never grasp the mental part and had no instincts for the position, so he played rush end on 3rd downs in college and was never really a factor, same with Tyriq McCord, and the Weavers were JAGs and special teams specialists.
You obviously have it backwards, I was saying kids who play DE in HS do not translate well to playing LB in college.
Miami has always been successful moving guys closer to the line of scrimmage (CB to S and S to LB and LB to DE and DE to DT) but not the other way (DT to DE or DE to LB or LB to S or S to CB).
Remember when Randy Phillips(top 10 S coming out of HS) came in the same class as Kenny Phillips(#1 S coming out of HS), yet we started Randy out at CB and he was always getting burned, while Kenny had a great career and was a 1st rounder.
Randy did not have the hips or the make up speed to play CB, but he was a great S.
Golden always liked the idea of having kids who played DE in HS play LB for him b/c he valued size over speed.
A lot more instincts are involved playing LB than DE, and making that transition is rarely easy.
I was personally never a big fan of Wilder over other LBs this cycle like Ventrell Miller for example.
I think too many on here are caught up with this kids stars and not trusting their eyes.
Pretty much all of Wilders film is of him rushing the passer as a OLB/Rush End up close to the line of scrimmage, but none of it shows him diagnosing a play from the LB position (behind the DLine), shedding a block and making a tackle like you would see all over HS film from Denzel Perryman or Sean Spence or Shaq Quarterman or Mike Pinkney or Zach McCloud.
Even Wilder's highlights aren't that great.
Go back and watch the film of the 3 LBs we took in the last class and tell me if Wilder's even comes close.
So since we aren't trying to bring in Wilder to play Rush End b/c we have plenty and 2 studs committed at DE, and might be looking to take a 3rd LB in this class.
We should either go all out for Breon Dixon, reopen our interest in Miller(doubt that happens), find another solid LB out there or wait till next cycle and sign an extra LB.
We can do better than Wilder, and he may never contribute more than on special teams with the LBs in front of him, so pass IMO.
Last edited:
[MENTION=4648]Pete[/MENTION] Ariz, what happened with Ventrell Miller and our staff?
I thought we were hard after him before he committed to UF, and after checking out his film of this season, and the fact that we may be looking to take a 3rd LB in this class, I would love to find out that we were still actively recruiting him.
He is IMO a much better LB prospect than Wilder.
I thought we were hard after him before he committed to UF, and after checking out his film of this season, and the fact that we may be looking to take a 3rd LB in this class, I would love to find out that we were still actively recruiting him.
He is IMO a much better LB prospect than Wilder.
- Joined
- Sep 4, 2012
- Messages
- 43,263
Wilder looks like a Group of 5 player right now. Small tenacious guy with average ability.
Advertisement
- Joined
- Sep 4, 2012
- Messages
- 43,263
Weavers? One quit, and the other only played STs.
- Joined
- Dec 4, 2013
- Messages
- 6,345
Miami stopped talking to Miller way before he committed to UF.
TheMatador
All-ACC
- Joined
- Jan 30, 2012
- Messages
- 13,849
Was Freeman Brown a bust? Didn't he go to CC? As I remember A-A in HS, did nothing at U. His less heralded teammate, Ricky Perry, did more. Am I right? If course, now a long time ago.
Why?
Any red flags like grades or attitude?
He looks better than Wilder and about even if not slightly better than our 2 committed.
Advertisement