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Veteran Offensive coordinator

OrangeBowlMagic said:
You mean when we played Pitt, UVA, Duke, and an admittedly OK NC State team, but certainly nothing elite? Yeah. Wake me up when we don't have to kick a FG from the 3 yard line against Clemson to avoid being shut out, or when we score a point against FSU in a half when their offense is equally as inept, or when we don't go 2+ quarters without scoring a point against Duke, or when we don't get down at the half to a UVA team that got beat 100-0 by Navy, or we don't need a miracle bounce to score in the mid 20's against GT....and on and on and on.

Yes, late in 2017, Richt was coaching in a straitjacket. No AR, no Herndon, no Walton, and a baseball player as his QB. I get it. But I've seen more creativity from a kindergarten class drawing Thanksgiving turkeys using their outlines of their hands than I did from this offense since he's arrived. Does he need to hire an OC? Yes. Yesterday. Will he? No, so we need to live with what we have and continue to stockpile so much talent on offense that we could win with Jeff Bowden calling plays. Recruiting will keep this offense afloat, not the scheme.
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AND let us not forget having a dominating offensive line so our QB has time........it has been YEARS since we had a dominating O Line. For me THAT has been our weakness.
 
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JgDaCane said:
Richt was able to get 3,600 yards & 31 touchdowns out of a 1AA quarterback. If Richt can find a QB who can jump from Maliks 54% to 60-62% he’ll look like the best OC in america.
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Bingo. That's what I've been trying to tell people as well. Richt deserves a TON of credit for getting as much as he did out of Rosier.
 
JgDaCane said:
Richt was able to get 3,600 yards & 31 touchdowns out of a 1AA quarterback. If Richt can find a QB who can jump from Maliks 54% to 60-62% he’ll look like the best OC in america.
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he had Brad Kayaa and kept running rpo. CHANCES OF BEING BEST OC INAMERICA AFTER THAT IS SLIM. He's an avg oc that with unreal talent can get to above avg. Good thing is...he will get unreal talent here.
 
Go Canes!! said:
I think in your haste to answer you started confusing your seasons.
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No, I just combined them. In 2016, we played garbage defenses to end the season. You said Pitt...they were a HORRIBLE defensive team. Sure, they beat Clemson. The final score was 43-42. You think Pitt had a good defense?

Then in 2017 it was a lot more of the same, as I mentioned. There really wasn't one clean offensive game all year. But again, I will admit Richt is playing with 1 hand tied behind his back. Rosier was dead last in the country last year in completion percentage. 100th out of 100. Dead. Last. I'm very anxious to see what can happen if/when he has a real QB, but what I've seen thus far leaves a mountain to be desired.
 
How many dumb threads like this will there be before fall? It's. Not. Gonna. Happen. There's no way these people watch the games. How many wide open receivers were missed this past year? Dozens. We need better QB play and who knows, we may get it but it's only ******* April. It's usually the sam posters with the same agenda.

Sometimes I feel like CIS exists in the Twilight Zone.
 
Jgoody32 said:
Do you think it's time to hire an veteran assistant offensive coordinator with creative schemes to use our fast South Florida weapons?
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Just like you can't keep doing the same things and expect different results, same is true for OC's. You can't keep the same offensive scheme and expect different results. From brief practice tidbits and approx. 24 games it's obvious IMO that:

1. CMR isn't the best teacher of offense. Timing and execution is average.

2. Play selection, personnel combinations and formations are very limited

3. His play calling and pace too **** slow! Every time it's 3rd and short or 4 and one, he calls a timeout to run a slant or power I. Have the play and personnel ready to go without giving the defense time to set.
 
gogeta4 said:
he had Brad Kayaa and kept running rpo. CHANCES OF BEING BEST OC INAMERICA AFTER THAT IS SLIM. He's an avg oc that with unreal talent can get to above avg. Good thing is...he will get unreal talent here.
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Look around, everyone is running rpo. You have a football background come on now.. literally any qb can run the Run pass option play regardlesss of their respective mobility
 
canesthing3 said:
How many dumb threads like this will there be before fall? It's. Not. Gonna. Happen. There's no way these people watch the games. How many wide open receivers were missed this past year? Dozens. We need better QB play and who knows, we may get it but it's only ******* April. It's usually the sam posters with the same agenda.

Sometimes I feel like CIS exists in the Twilight Zone.
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This is an open forum to talk about anything on your mind basically and typically does not require polling before doing so. That said, I once said My Bucs would always suck unless former owner Hugh Culverhouse died and the team was sold and they get a Black coach. Well I never expected all that to happen and it did. Point is never say, "not gonna happen". I will say if it does it'll probably be his son because nepotism is allowed now where it wasn't allowed a year ago.
 
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brock said:
Look around, everyone is running rpo. You have a football background come on now.. literally any qb can run the Run pass option play regardlesss of their respective mobility
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It made NO sense to run it that amount when the qb ha sthe footspeed of Orlando Brown. He wasnt a threat at all. It was basically a DPO. Draw pass option. Worked much better this year with Rosier.
 
canesthing3 said:
How many dumb threads like this will there be before fall? It's. Not. Gonna. Happen. There's no way these people watch the games. How many wide open receivers were missed this past year? Dozens. We need better QB play and who knows, we may get it but it's only ******* April. It's usually the sam posters with the same agenda.

Sometimes I feel like CIS exists in the Twilight Zone.
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For real or people just don't watch games and refer to box scores
 
Captain Uberpants said:
Yes if only we had a scheme that’s designed to get our guys wide open in the secondary!!!!

I seriously question if some people actually watched the games last year instead of just looking at the final score/stats.

Richts scheme doesn’t have all the bells and whistles (which is just window dressing to any semi-competent DC) but it was effective in the sense that the plays were there to be made. Rosier just missed, and missed a lot.

How many times did he miss JT deep? How many times was Berrios open short/intermediate and had to dive or slide to catch a ball? If Rosier puts the throw where it needs to be, it’s an easy catch and run for a big play.

With an accurate QB, Richt is going to look really good. The question is can he find and develop that guy sooner rather than later.
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So much this. Everybody wants the problem to be that our O isn't exotic enough but that's just not it. If our OL can push people around and our QB can hit guys when they're open, we'll score plenty. Honestly, when you can't convert 3rd and 2 on a consistent basis, you don't need a fancier O you need better players and/or players who do what they're capable of all the time.
 
gogeta4 said:
It made NO sense to run it that amount when the qb ha sthe footspeed of Orlando Brown. He wasnt a threat at all. It was basically a DPO. Draw pass option. Worked much better this year with Rosier.
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If I remember correctly, the R meant handing off to the RB not the QB keeping it while Kaaya was here. Once in awhile he would fake the run, but he usually didn't bother because everybody knew he'd never run on purpose. QB run wasn't part of the play until Rosier became the starter.
 
MikeCane18 said:
We don't need a new OC we just need guys (QB) to play better. We could have the best OC (and we have a pretty solid group) in the country designing plays but the execution stalls drives. Stop looking at box scores and actually watch plays and not just the ball.

For Instance FSU losing Francois this year cost them 10 ppg. Averaged 33 ppg in '16 and 23 in '17. Did Jimbo forget how to call plays over that span of time to the tune of 10 less points? Players matter just as much as the play design.
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Agree with the first part but the second I can't. They lost the best RB in their school's history and started freshmen at QB and RB finishing 71st in PPG. We finished 12 spots higher at 59th for comparisons.
 
Something that hasn't been mentioned is that Richt was an OC for what 10 years. Granted he wasn't a HC as well, but he did work with QB's and was an OC for some time. Also, when he was hired by the U, he mentioned he wanted to get back to coaching QB's and calling plays because he missed it a lot. He seems to have delegated some responsibilities to other offensive staff. Time will tell if it becomes overwhelming to the point he hires an OC.
 
OrdunaDrive said:
That is clearly not going to happen. Richt is not giving up play calling, and Thomas Brown is not going to take a demotion. We do need to improve our scoring significantly though. I don't expect us to produce at Oklahoma levels, but the neighborhood of 33-35 ppg is a reasonable goal. Not sure it'll happen with another 54% year from Rosier. Need major improvement from him or a surge by Perry/Williams.
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I agree that 30+ points a game by the O should be enough. I stress “should” because they averaged giving up 32 points a game in the last 3..
 
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WTF is a Veteran Assistant Offensive Coordinator? Someone who never got the full reigns in a decade??
 
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CanesFan93 said:
Agree with the first part but the second I can't. They lost the best RB in their school's history and started freshmen at QB and RB finishing 71st in PPG. We finished 12 spots higher at 59th for comparisons.
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Not disregarding that at all but the 10 points is still a factor. Jimbo had to change his offense and shrink the playbook for Blackmon.
Clemson also averaged 6 less points this past season after Watson left too. My point was players and execution matter as well as coaching. You can be the most innovative coach in the country but if your QB routinely throws it in the dirt then it doesn't matter what your calling.
 
MikeCane18 said:
Not disregarding that at all but the 10 points is still a factor. Jimbo had to change his offense and shrink the playbook for Blackmon.
Clemson also averaged 6 less points this past season after Watson left too. My point was players and execution matter as well as coaching. You can be the most innovative coach in the country but if your QB routinely throws it in the dirt then it doesn't matter what your calling.
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Deshaun Watson will be tearing up the NFL next year. Clemson has a wr at qb and their still humming..**** they were humming BEFORE Deshaun Watson..with that fat face qb they had before that Boyd
 
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