USA Today Article on Richt and Player Discipline/Baylor

[caneaddict]

i dont condone what went on at baylor, but its once again a private institution getting creamed for stuff that public institutions, especially ones in the southeast are doing daily

 

[Tad Footeball]

i dont condone what went on at baylor, but its once again a private institution getting creamed for stuff that public institutions, especially ones in the southeast are doing daily

Not even the Southeast but the state of Tennessee alone! Vandy and Tennessee BOTH with major rape issues but frauds like Finebaum are aghast over Baylor. And say what you will about Baylor (and there's a lot) but they actually fired a legendary coach in their eyes with relative minimal outside pressure. It'd take a freaking act of Congress to force a SEC school to act similarly under like conditions.

 

[Dirty Sprite]

Nothing wrong with giving young men a second chance but you gotta have a structure in place to guide and mentor all of your players, especially those with a troubled past so they can be better.. Seems like Baylor didn't give af, just play football and you can go rape whoever you want after the game.

Regardless all the extra talk and fake NCAA legislation that is going to come out of this, is going make every player seem like they're rapist which is far from true and something I won't support.

 

[The Franchise]

My point was we can win with good players that don't have to be suspended. )

Like in 2001. Man was that ever brutal.

Gonna suck when we're missing some key players for big games. But it's on him to recruit good character and pick the right guys. You can't sign a bunch of clowns then kick them all out and congratulate yourself.

You gotta win at the end of the day. And I ain't talking 9.4 games per year. If that means signing a guy who might be slightly less talented but won't get kicked off the team, then that's what he should do.

At the end of the day, it's a results game. He's not making $4M per to be a mentor.

Huh? What did Richt do in 2001?

You realize that was a totally different era prior to every move being scrutinized by everyone with a cellphone camera.

And Davis and Richt are two totally different people. Davis was as grimy and hungry to move up the coaching ladder as possible. He actively attempted to keep misdeeds of important players quiet.

Richt doesn't operate that way, and even if he did, he couldn't get away with it in today's climate where everyone with a cellphone and an internet connection is looking to break "news". In the Davis era, that whole Mark Walton nonsense never would have seen the light of day.

Richt can win championships here. I'm not saying he can't. But he won't do it using the exact model he used at UGA. He won't be able to sign a bunch of dicey characters then sit them all the time or kick them out. He'll either have to relax his standards a bit, which I don't see happening, or he'll have to recruit better character than he did at UGA.

 

[The Franchise]

The only issue I could see being problematic at a school like Miami is if Richt brings in too many kids that he ends up having to boot. That media narrative will flip real quick from Mark Richt the disciplinarian to Mark Richt can't control the program at Miami as he's had sooooo many players with issues. Then the scrutiny on who he's recruiting and if he's suited for big city culture will start. It won't be fair or right but ANY discipline related actions or issues here always get spun as us being a renegade program located in a cultural cesspool.

I don't see it that way anymore at all. I listen to a ton of college football radio shows. And they have been using Miami's handling of Blue and Figueroa's alleged rape as a model of how to handle these sorts of situations.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

We'll see. All I know is Mark Walton would have been dismissed before the facts came to light if Golden was still here.

 

[The Franchise]

We'll see. All I know is Mark Walton would have been dismissed before the facts came to light if Golden was still here.

Semerene had about 50 run ins with the law while Folden was here.

 

[DTP]

Almost every one of my college friends had some sort of minor run in with the law. Underage drinking, misdemeanor drug possession, one dude got arrested for resisting arrest. So, I can understand not dropping the hammer on kids who make kid mistakes. Now, if you're raping people or assaulting people, that's another matter. I saw today that Mississippi State let a kid enroll who's on video beating the crap out of a woman. That's the kind of crap I wouldn't want going on at Miami. I never want to seem so desperate to win that they're taking in felons and rapists just to compete.

 

[Tad Footeball]

The only issue I could see being problematic at a school like Miami is if Richt brings in too many kids that he ends up having to boot. That media narrative will flip real quick from Mark Richt the disciplinarian to Mark Richt can't control the program at Miami as he's had sooooo many players with issues. Then the scrutiny on who he's recruiting and if he's suited for big city culture will start. It won't be fair or right but ANY discipline related actions or issues here always get spun as us being a renegade program located in a cultural cesspool.

I don't see it that way anymore at all. I listen to a ton of college football radio shows. And they have been using Miami's handling of Blue and Figueroa's alleged rape as a model of how to handle these sorts of situations.

Because we were either non-threatening on the field (and somewhat in recruiting) and relatively irrelevant overall. If we were to start winning I definitely could see any string of issues, no matter how Richt handles them, as being spun that way by people with agendas and/or the lazy national media that'll always default to that narrative about us. That's not to say that I don't hope you're right and either Richt's SEC-built reputation somehow still garners respect with the ample conference slurpers in the media or that more people actually take the stance that was taken by this USA Today writer.

 

[Tad Footeball]

My point was we can win with good players that don't have to be suspended. )

Like in 2001. Man was that ever brutal.

Gonna suck when we're missing some key players for big games. But it's on him to recruit good character and pick the right guys. You can't sign a bunch of clowns then kick them all out and congratulate yourself.

You gotta win at the end of the day. And I ain't talking 9.4 games per year. If that means signing a guy who might be slightly less talented but won't get kicked off the team, then that's what he should do.

At the end of the day, it's a results game. He's not making $4M per to be a mentor.

Huh? What did Richt do in 2001?

You realize that was a totally different era prior to every move being scrutinized by everyone with a cellphone camera.

And Davis and Richt are two totally different people. Davis was as grimy and hungry to move up the coaching ladder as possible. He actively attempted to keep misdeeds of important players quiet.

Richt doesn't operate that way, and even if he did, he couldn't get away with it in today's climate where everyone with a cellphone and an internet connection is looking to break "news". In the Davis era, that whole Mark Walton nonsense never would have seen the light of day.

Richt can win championships here. I'm not saying he can't. But he won't do it using the exact model he used at UGA. He won't be able to sign a bunch of dicey characters then sit them all the time or kick them out. He'll either have to relax his standards a bit, which I don't see happening, or he'll have to recruit better character than he did at UGA.

Well said. I'm a Butch fan but this little narrative about him "cleaning up" Miami is beyond a stretch. He did what was required of him at the time by the admin at Miami and the NCAA and he sure as **** made sure the media was aware of it every step of the way. None of it was reflective of some inherent morality in Butch or some big picture care about the development of young men. Anything he complied with was either forced upon him or done because it was the only means by which he was able to operate. We all saw what happened later in his career when he was free of that spotlight and those restrictions.

 

[User333]

I already know there's gunna be a lot of people on this site who are gunna get ****ed that he suspends people, even if they are stars

Yes there will be.

 

[User333]

Gonna suck when we're missing some key players for big games. But it's on him to recruit good character and pick the right guys. You can't sign a bunch of clowns then kick them all out and congratulate yourself.

You gotta win at the end of the day. And I ain't talking 9.4 games per year. If that means signing a guy who might be slightly less talented but won't get kicked off the team, then that's what he should do.

At the end of the day, it's a results game. He's not making $4M per to be a mentor.

Yup. But it can and should be done. Butch was as strict a disciplinarian as we've had and built a monster nonetheless. Richt may not be on par with Butch as a recruiter, but he's not far off and he's a better coach. Just need some depth.

On the other hand, Randy was our 2nd biggest disciplinarian after Butch and he was awful on the field.

 

[User333]

My point was we can win with good players that don't have to be suspended. )

Like in 2001. Man was that ever brutal.

Gonna suck when we're missing some key players for big games. But it's on him to recruit good character and pick the right guys. You can't sign a bunch of clowns then kick them all out and congratulate yourself.

You gotta win at the end of the day. And I ain't talking 9.4 games per year. If that means signing a guy who might be slightly less talented but won't get kicked off the team, then that's what he should do.

At the end of the day, it's a results game. He's not making $4M per to be a mentor.

Huh? What did Richt do in 2001?

You realize that was a totally different era prior to every move being scrutinized by everyone with a cellphone camera.

And Davis and Richt are two totally different people. Davis was as grimy and hungry to move up the coaching ladder as possible. He actively attempted to keep misdeeds of important players quiet.

Richt doesn't operate that way, and even if he did, he couldn't get away with it in today's climate where everyone with a cellphone and an internet connection is looking to break "news". In the Davis era, that whole Mark Walton nonsense never would have seen the light of day.

Richt can win championships here. I'm not saying he can't. But he won't do it using the exact model he used at UGA. He won't be able to sign a bunch of dicey characters then sit them all the time or kick them out. He'll either have to relax his standards a bit, which I don't see happening, or he'll have to recruit better character than he did at UGA.

Davis sort of had to be a disciplinarian with the program's NCAA troubles. I don't believe he covered up misdeeds, but I believe the disciplinarian role was largely forced upon him.

 

[The Franchise]

My point was we can win with good players that don't have to be suspended. )

Like in 2001. Man was that ever brutal.

Huh? What did Richt do in 2001?

You realize that was a totally different era prior to every move being scrutinized by everyone with a cellphone camera.

And Davis and Richt are two totally different people. Davis was as grimy and hungry to move up the coaching ladder as possible. He actively attempted to keep misdeeds of important players quiet.

Richt doesn't operate that way, and even if he did, he couldn't get away with it in today's climate where everyone with a cellphone and an internet connection is looking to break "news". In the Davis era, that whole Mark Walton nonsense never would have seen the light of day.

Richt can win championships here. I'm not saying he can't. But he won't do it using the exact model he used at UGA. He won't be able to sign a bunch of dicey characters then sit them all the time or kick them out. He'll either have to relax his standards a bit, which I don't see happening, or he'll have to recruit better character than he did at UGA.

Davis sort of had to be a disciplinarian with the program's NCAA troubles. I don't believe he covered up misdeeds, but I believe the disciplinarian role was largely forced upon him.

You don't have to believe he covered up misdeeds, but he did. It's fact. There were player arrests that no one ever knew about.

 

[MedleyCane]

What do you all think the role of the Hurricane program is?

1) produce all-around student athletes/citizens with a winning tradition...or

2) win NCs and operate as a semi-pro NFL farm team?

I think I lean #1 so long as the winning tradition part is an achieved goal on a consistent basis

1 and 2.
You don't recruit the sort of players we do, especially from our backyard, without national championships being the goal.
The other stuff about kids behaving and graduating is eexpected of a football program representing a university but, make no mistake, goal at UM should be to play for and win national
Championships. Anyone who thinks less has to use the third bathroom at Targets.

 

[Salt]

Gonna suck when we're missing some key players for big games. But it's on him to recruit good character and pick the right guys. You can't sign a bunch of clowns then kick them all out and congratulate yourself.

You gotta win at the end of the day. And I ain't talking 9.4 games per year. If that means signing a guy who might be slightly less talented but won't get kicked off the team, then that's what he should do.

At the end of the day, it's a results game. He's not making $4M per to be a mentor.

Yup. But it can and should be done. Butch was as strict a disciplinarian as we've had and built a monster nonetheless. Richt may not be on par with Butch as a recruiter, but he's not far off and he's a better coach. Just need some depth.

Richt is a great recruiter. My issue is this: If you recruit great talent but have to kick so many of them off the team because you have tight rules, then you're not doing a great job. He needs to do a better job recruiting guys he doesn't have to keep suspending or ultimately kick out. He didn't do a great job of that at UGA.

Butch wasn't as hardcore a disciplinarian as people make him out to be. Players were scared of him. But he did all he could do to keep arrests quiet and keep guys eligible even when they were doing some shady ****. Butch was incensed when UM suspended several players before I think it was the UCLA game where EJ went off.

He was a master of working with the local cops to keep stuff quiet. Don't forget that he did all this before the internet where everything became news and everyone was taping everything.

I agree Butch wasn't the big disciplinarian people thought he was. If Richt had been coaching the team during that incident on Bourbon St. Against the gators I wonder how many guys he would have suspended for the Sugar Bowl?

 

[Crazy4thecanes]

After experiencing the rate of attrition during the Golden years I expect to be satisfied with our retention rate. Unless we have a team full of thugs that we don't know about - things are heading in the right direction.

 

[Pete]

Its also a reason I'd personally rather win fewer championships and have our guys more successful in the league once they move on than having guys who never perform in the league but we win more championships.

I'd rather have guys be more successful in the future after leaving here than while here...After all, that is the purpose of college.

Bravo,Bravo this will get you a 6-6 record year after year!

 

[Calinative]

Its also a reason I'd personally rather win fewer championships and have our guys more successful in the league once they move on than having guys who never perform in the league but we win more championships.

I'd rather have guys be more successful in the future after leaving here than while here...After all, that is the purpose of college.

Bravo,Bravo this will get you a 6-6 record year after year!

no it wont. Idk if you realize this, but the years we were producing the most, and best NFL talent is when we won a national championship, and should have won 2 more.