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Upperclassman defense vs underclassman offense

twes.305 said:
Just go look at who we picked up on the offensive side of the ball in the 2015/2016 classes, all of the top offensive guys are not playing besides homer and tyree, st.louis. especially 2016, every offensive guy is gone besides homer.
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2016
offense 4 stars
sam bruce
ahmmon richards
jack allison
travis homer
dionte mullins
offense 3 stars
jovani haskins
irvin jr
dayall harris
tre johnson

i'm not even going to finish this post for the defense. what a disaster. Something is really wrong with the offensive staff. Look at all of this attrition/underachieving.
 
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twes.305 said:
I'm still right because the only 4 star players still there are sorry bar milo, though a 4 star only got an offer because he was Brad kaaya teammate and st louis, like I said before all of our players who would be contributing in the offense are gone. I never said anything about certain classes having more 4 star players on the offensive side of the ball.
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The defensive guys can keep their players around and play well with the guys they have. Why can't the offense?
 
Foreman said:
2016
offense 4 stars
sam bruce
ahmmon richards
jack allison
travis homer
dionte mullins
offense 3 stars
jovani haskins
irvin jr
dayall harris
tre johnson

i'm not even going to finish this post for the defense. what a distaster. Something is really wrong with the offensive staff. Look at all of this attrition/underachieving.
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How many of those offensive 4 stars are still on the team, oh wait only travis homer. I'm not even going to finish.
 
Trying to say the putrid nature of the offense was solely on the young players is a huge disservice to the frosh and sophs that played this year. The OL, when comprised of upperclassmen, was the stench you smelled during games in particular during the 4 game losing streak. It wasn’t until we inserted Scaife at RT and slid Donaldson inside to RG did the line start moving the big uglies upfront. Jordan played like a freaking Junior this year, and Mallory had his lumps but performed well when called upon. All the frosh WR’s played well when called upon but would’ve loved to see more catches than drops. They all will get their legs under them and should have gained valuable experience this year.

The main issues we had on offense were starting a RS Senior at the QB position, and not giving him the tools necessary to succeed; as bad as that sounds. Rosier if we would’ve ran more RPO would have done better, but still shouldn’t have been the starting QB for Miami. He was a stop gap for 1 brilliant season until he lost gas at the end of the season in 2017. The 2nd issue were the dregs of an OL upperclassmen, and the senior WR’s. Aside of Langham’s spectacular catches, he and Cager under performed especially given their height advantage and reach. Cager should’ve had 10+ TD’s this season so he and Langham could’ve helped Perry out when he was finally inserted at QB.

Lastly, Richt mismanaged the roster, top to bottom. I truly believe that if he weren’t calling plays as OC, he would’ve handled the roster moves much better. At the end of the day, a 7-5 season, albeit a 2 game win streak heading into the bowl game, rests squarely on his shoulders.
 
Liberty City El said:
Malik Rosier started the year, Perry didn't play until FIU & started vs UNC, FSU & 2 series vs UVA.

Scaife didn't start until much later in the season vs UVA. Brevin played well & Mallory did what was asked of him.

Wiggins didn't start playing until FSU, Hightower played well when called on but only got a few snaps a game sparingly.

Lo never played any significant snaps before he was injured & Cam didn't get any legit snaps until Va Tech.

When Coaches/fans say we played a bunch of young guys as a reason for why our Offense was so bad that's just a lame excuse. The OL was comprised of Senior C Gauthier, Senior T St. Louis, Senior Jahair Jones, Redshirt Junior Hayden Mahoney, Red Junior Venzell Boulware.

Shaq, Pinck, McCloud all started as Frosh and were good, Malek Young started games as a Frosh & balled out as a True Soph last year & was great, Jon Garvin made several plays as a Frosh & started this year as a True Soph & was great, same goes for Bandy.

True Freshman play all over the country at major programs & succeed at a high level. Using youth to justify how bad this offense is might make more since if the offense was significantly better with all the upperclassmen, but we saw how that worked out vs LSU.

If the issue really was just youth on Offense, then Malik Rosier should've started all year long & we would've went undefeated right?
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Skill YOUTH ON O:
Wiggins was called in to play heavy snaps when Richards went down and was playing vs LSU. And even tho he didn’t have many If any catches he did play from day 1. Hightower played day 1 too but got hurt and missed 2 or 3 games. Two true fresh, Brevin Jordan and Mallory were your starting TE day 1. DJ seemed to be the vocal leader on O as a soph. Your most dependable weapon was a Soph..so the OP was right as far as the skill spots

The oline was a mix of guys out of position, youth and guys who struggled.
Donaldson, a soph had a down year. Even then was probably our best Olineman.
Top rotational guy up front was a true fresh. The rest were vets but even then their play was underwhelming

Overall this O lost its top veteran plWR. The oline never gelled and executed poorly throughout the year. The last 2 weeks were solid tho. The RS SR QB was what we all knew he was. Perry ended up being not much better. And the offensive side of the ball lacked mature leadership..That’s the story.
 
Foreman said:
The defensive guys can keep their players around and play well with the guys they have. Why can't the offense?
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People get hurt, or career ending injuries, or violate team rules. It just unfortunate, it's not like you can control those things. There are also plenty of people who would have sat the bench for probably 2 years but decided to transfer because they automatically think they deserve to start, just look at a guy like MJ who stuck through it and sat on the bench for 2 years.
 
twes.305 said:
People get hurt, or career ending injuries, or violate team rules. It just unfortunate, it's not like you can control those things. There are also plenty of people who would have sat the bench for probably 2 years but decided to transfer because they automatically think they deserve to start, just look at a guy like MJ who stuck through it and sat on the bench for 2 years.
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don't we pay coaches to manage players and reduce attrition? seems like one set of coaches are much better at their jobs.
 
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305to954 said:
Skill YOUTH ON O:
Wiggins was called in to play heavy snaps when Richards went down and was playing vs LSU. And even tho he didn’t have many If any catches he did play from day 1. Hightower played day 1 too but got hurt and missed 2 or 3 games. Two true fresh, Brevin Jordan and Mallory were your starting TE day 1. DJ seemed to be the vocal leader on O as a soph. Your most dependable weapon was a Soph..so the OP was right as far as the skill spots

The oline was a mix of guys out of position, youth and guys who struggled.
Donaldson, a soph had a down year. Even then was probably our best Olineman.
Top rotational guy up front was a true fresh. The rest were vets but even then their play was underwhelming

Overall this O lost its top veteran plWR. The oline never gelled and executed poorly throughout the year. The last 2 weeks were solid tho. The RS SR QB was what we all knew he was. Perry ended up being not much better. And the offensive side of the ball lacked mature leadership..That’s the story.
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what's the story for the below average offenses in 16 and 17
 
Foreman said:
don't we pay coaches to manage players and reduce attrition? seems like one set of coaches are much better at their jobs.
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Now we are blaming freak accidents on and kids violating team rules on the coaches. When it comes to things like that, everybody was under the same system, it's not like the defensive coaches stop kids from having freak accidents or violating team rules. Now I will say the when CMR came in he got rid of a lot of golden recruits on the offensive side, which everybody was happy he did, and that is one of the reasons we are missing senior leadership.
 
twes.305 said:
Now we are blaming freak accidents on and kids violating team rules on the coaches. When it comes to things like that, everybody was under the same system, it's not like the defensive coaches stop kids from having freak accidents or violating team rules. Now I will say the when CMR came in he got rid of a lot of golden recruits on the offensive side, which everybody was happy he did, and that is one of the reasons we are missing senior leadership.
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So if the coaches can't keep the kids out of trouble, and they can't scheme/strategize well enough to win with the kids they have left , and they don't know how to recruit good kids who don't get in trouble.
WTH IS THE POINT OF HAVING THEM!
 
Foreman said:
what's the story for the below average offenses in 16 and 17
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Well In 2016 y’all said if Kaaya was more mobile or if we had a dual threat QB this O would take off.

In 17 it was anybody but Rosier. Perry would light it up

For me personally the O is 16 was good especially down the stretch..17 was solid but the oline struggled at times and rosier was inconsistent..this year same thing. Poor oline and inconsistent QB play.

In 16 we averaged 31 per game with brad which put us in the Top 40. Not elite but good. And and improvement from the previous year.

In 17, new QB we dropped Down to 28 per that puts u in the top 50. Once again not great but good with a kid like malik

This year 26 per. Which we all can agree is not good enough. 3 straight weeks 13, 14, 12, 21 points will do that too u
 
Foreman said:
don't we pay coaches to manage players and reduce attrition? seems like one set of coaches are much better at their jobs.
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So we blaming coaches for guys getting injured, deciding to leave, or do dumb stuff..in that case saban should be fired
 
We knew ever since spring ball there was a real problem with the offense. Now we know there's a problem with both philosophy and motivation. It's not talent. It almost never is. It's not kid's attitudes. They are what they are. Whose problem is it then?
Ohio State had to give up the "nine yards and a cloud of dust" and embrace the forward pass. Strategies for dealing with kids change too. Part of our staff seems to have this figured out. The other - not so much
 
305to954 said:
So we blaming coaches for guys getting injured, deciding to leave, or do dumb stuff..in that case saban should be fired
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But saban gets good performances out of the guys that are left, and recruits well enough to plug holes.
 
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305to954 said:
Well In 2016 y’all said if Kaaya was more mobile or if we had a dual threat QB this O would take off.

In 17 it was anybody but Rosier. Perry would light it up

For me personally the O is 16 was good especially down the stretch..17 was solid but the oline struggled at times and rosier was inconsistent..this year same thing. Poor oline and inconsistent QB play.

In 16 we averaged 31 per game with brad which put us in the Top 40. Not elite but good. And and improvement from the previous year.

In 17, new QB we dropped Down to 28 per that puts u in the top 50. Once again not great but good with a kid like malik

This year 26 per. Which we all can agree is not good enough. 3 straight weeks 13, 14, 12, 21 points will do that too u
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can you provide a link to your stats?
Espn has us at 59 in 17.
Top 40 is not good for a team that wants to be in the top 25, barely top 60 is even worse.
 
Foreman said:
So if the coaches can't keep the kids out of trouble, and they can't scheme/strategize well enough to win with the kids they have left , and they don't know how to recruit good kids who don't get in trouble.
WTH IS THE POINT OF HAVING THEM!
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Those kids that all transferred were from the class of 2016 and 2015, they were already getting in trouble before CMR got there, other people decided to leave because they wanted to start immediately. I never said anything about CMR not being a bad OC. All I said that there is a zero to little leadership on the offensive side of the ball due to certain situations not cause by CMR. That why there are things like fumbling, drop passes and other **** that these kids are not doing, because there is nobody in a leadership to hold them accountable. If somebody messes up on defense, you see JJ, redwine, shaq, and other players holding their teammates accountable, when the offense side misses a block, assignment, drops a ball, or fumbles nobody gets in their face and tell them to tighten it up.
 
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