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Upperclassman defense vs underclassman offense

twes.305 said:
Those kids that all transferred were from the class of 2016 and 2015, they were already getting in trouble before CMR got there, other people decided to leave because they wanted to start immediately. I never said anything about CMR not being a bad OC. All I said that there is a zero to little leadership on the offensive side of the ball due to certain situations not cause by CMR. That why there are things like fumbling, drop passes and other **** that these kids are not doing, because there is nobody in a leadership to hold them accountable. If somebody messes up on defense, you see JJ, redwine, shaq, and other players holding their teammates accountable, when the offense side misses a block, assignment, drops a ball, or fumbles nobody gets in their face and tell them to tighten it up.
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Ok so what can the coaches be blamed for?you have decided to take half their responsibilities off the table. Please tell me how we should evaluate coach performance, and what their responsibilities are
 
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Foreman said:
You

Your link shows me #45 in 16-17 at 31.3 per game and #64 in 17-18 at 28.1 per gr. Am I looking at it wrong?
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Yeah..once again I don’t put a big discrepancy on the exact ranking ..28 points is 28 points and put us along the top 50s..31 points is 31 and out us in the top 40s..decimals should not exist In football lol
 
305to954 said:
Yeah..once again I don’t put a big discrepancy on the exact ranking ..28 points is 28 points and put us along the top 50s..31 points is 31 and out us in the top 40s..decimals should not exist In football lol
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but #40 in 16-17 scored 32 points a game and #50 in 17-18 scored 29 points. even with your fudging the numbers we arent top 40 or top 50.Basically,you set the bar low, fudged the numbers and the offense still wasn't able to make your cut. This is a sad debate, because you've decided richt is a good offensive coach and no amount of objective data will convince you otherwise.

We'll just agree to disagree. I'll keep the stats, you keep your gut feeling and let's both hope you're right.
 
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Foreman said:
but #40 in 16-17 scored 32 points a game and and #50 in 17-18 scored 29 points. even with your fudging the numbers we arent top 40 or top 50.Basically,you set the bar low, fudged the numbers and the offense still wasn't able to make your cut. This is a sad debate, because you've decided richt is a good offensive coach and no amount of objective data will convince you otherwise.

We'll just agree to disagree. I'll keep the stats, you keep your gut feeling and let's both hope you're right.
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Lol it’s not a gut feeling.
My point is 28 points is 28 points. No diff between 28.3 and 28.4.. .1 percent was the diff between the 64 ranked O and 55th ranked O which puts u in the top 50’s lol. It’s splitting hairs at that point

This is what’s funny about this board. It’s like y’all need everyone to choose a side of the agenda lol..Never once did I say Richt was good nor bad. In fact I’m for getting both a OC and a new OLINE coach. Do I think the overall problem is the “system”, no. We have a multitude of problems on O this year

If you ever played football( maybe u have) u know averages can be skewed and don’t tell the entire picture. For instance LSU offensive ranking is about to get a huge boost after last night lol. Doesn’t tell the whole story. I’ll simply put it like this

2016- good
2017- average
2018- poor
 
305to954 said:
Lol it’s not a gut feeling.
My point is 28 points is 28 points. No diff between 28.3 and 28.4.. .1 percent was the diff between the 64 ranked O and 55th ranked O which puts u in the top 50’s lol. It’s splitting hairs at that point

This is what’s funny about this board. It’s like y’all need everyone to choose a side of the agenda lol..Never once did I say Richt was good nor bad. In fact I’m for getting both a OC and a new OLINE coach. Do I think the overall problem is the “system”, no. We have a multitude of problems on O this year

If you ever played football( maybe u have) u know averages can be skewed and don’t tell the entire picture. For instance LSU offensive ranking is about to get a huge boost after last night lol. Doesn’t tell the whole story. I’ll simply put it like this

2016- good
2017- average
2018- poor
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55 is not top 50, it's top 60.
2016- average
2017-poor
2018-abysmal

let's not forget that the 2017 offense was so bad, even though the defense gifted them with amazing field position 3-4 times a game.
The 2017 offense is probably even worse than the ppg stat. Who can forget the defense scoring 14 against G tech.
 
twes.305 said:
Those kids that all transferred were from the class of 2016 and 2015, they were already getting in trouble before CMR got there, other people decided to leave because they wanted to start immediately. I never said anything about CMR not being a bad OC. All I said that there is a zero to little leadership on the offensive side of the ball due to certain situations not cause by CMR. That why there are things like fumbling, drop passes and other **** that these kids are not doing, because there is nobody in a leadership to hold them accountable.
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Foreman said:
Ok so what can the coaches be blamed for?you have decided to take half their responsibilities off the table. Please tell me how we should evaluate coach performance, and what their responsibilities are
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They can be blame for everything besides unfortunate injuries and transfers. All I'm saying is that the offense does not have the same leaders and defense, due to injuries, and transfers. You cant blame coaches for spoiled kids transferring, not wanting to wait to get your chance, and violating rules. You can talk and try all you, but at the end of the day kids make their on decision.
 
Foreman said:
2015

offense 4 stars
Mark Walton-
Bar Milo
Tyree St Louis
Jerome Washington

offense 3 stars
Lawrence Cager
evan shirrefs
loftus
mahoney
gauthier

defense 4 stars
Jaquan Johnson

defense 3 stars
Kendrick Norton
Charles Perry
Michael Jackson
Redwine
Jaime Gordinier
RJ mcintosh
fines
knowles
james king

defense 2 stars
terrance henley

so far you're wrong about 2015. More 4 stars for the offense and more of the defenders have left to the nfl, or been lost to injury. A lot of guys overachieving their star rankings on D, not so much on offense.
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right now you're hitting harder than George Foreman vs Joe Frazier in Jamaica. Keep letting your gifted hands go on the keyboard!!
Foreman said:
but #40 in 16-17 scored 32 points a game and #50 in 17-18 scored 29 points. even with your fudging the numbers we arent top 40 or top 50.Basically,you set the bar low, fudged the numbers and the offense still wasn't able to make your cut. This is a sad debate, because you've decided richt is a good offensive coach and no amount of objective data will convince you otherwise.

We'll just agree to disagree. I'll keep the stats, you keep your gut feeling and let's both hope you're right.
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another KO punch landed by Foreman
 
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Foreman said:
55 is not top 50, it's top 60.
2016- average
2017-poor
2018-abysmal

let's not forget that the 2017 offense was so bad, even though the defense gifted them with amazing field position 3-4 times a game.
The 2017 offense is probably even worse than the ppg stat. Who can forget the defense scoring 14 against G tech.
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****, this Foreman really is grilling....
 
bear said:
Not good by UM standards but also not bad. We also missed the key ingredient which is a good QB last year.
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you've excused a 55th ranked offense, a 40th ranked offense and now a 92nd ranked offense. How many years of bad offense are you willing to accept before you admit there is a problem. one more season? two more seasons? I get wanting to cut a coach some slack but surely you should be able to field a competent offense (by miami standards) by year 5.

Even you must expect us to be top 25 in offense sometime in the next decade.
 
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Foreman said:
you've excused a 55th ranked offense, a 40th ranked offense and now a 92nd ranked offense. How many years of bad offense are you willing to accept before you admit there is a problem. one more season? two more seasons? I get wanting to cut a coach some slack but surely you should be able to field a competent offense (by miami standards) by year 5.

Even you must expect us to be top 25 in offense sometime in the next decade.
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you are the undisputed heavyweight champion of this thread, (George)Foreman.
 
Foreman said:
you've excused a 55th ranked offense, a 40th ranked offense and now a 92nd ranked offense. How many years of bad offense are you willing to accept before you admit there is a problem. one more season? two more seasons? I get wanting to cut a coach some slack but surely you should be able to field a competent offense (by miami standards) by year 5.

Even you must expect us to be top 25 in offense sometime in the next decade.
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For that to happen you need a QB- even you can acknowledge that in the next decade
 
I posted this in another thread but it is more on point here.

I took a look at our offensive players by class earlier today. 52 Players on offense. 20 Freshmen, 8 Redshirt Freshmen, 8 Sophmores, 1 Redshirt Sophmore, 2 Juniors, 6 Redshirt Juniors, 2 Seniors, 5 Redshirt Seniors. That is a ton of youth to be effective on a consistent basis. It does explain how the offense was so behind the defense because it was mostly younger players out there that will need to grow their bodies. Here was the senior leadership in 2018. Malik, Chad Allen - WR don't recall him playing, Danny Dominguez - FB don't recall him playing, Tyler Gauthier, Jahair Jones, Tyree St. Louis, Darrell Langham. As the young guys grow and improve we should be better down the line.
 
bear said:
For that to happen you need a QB- even you can acknowledge that in the next decade
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How many years of bad QB development are you willing to accept before you admit there is a problem. one more season? two more seasons? I get wanting to cut a coach some slack but surely you should be able to recruit and develop a good QB (by miami standards) by year 5.

Even you must expect us to have developed a QB sometime in the next decade.


Offensive performances are the coaches jobs, as is player recruitment and development.
Aren't we paying Richt's son to find, recruit and develop QBs?
 
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SJMPARMAN said:
I posted this in another thread but it is more on point here.

I took a look at our offensive players by class earlier today. 52 Players on offense. 20 Freshmen, 8 Redshirt Freshmen, 8 Sophmores, 1 Redshirt Sophmore, 2 Juniors, 6 Redshirt Juniors, 2 Seniors, 5 Redshirt Seniors. That is a ton of youth to be effective on a consistent basis. It does explain how the offense was so behind the defense because it was mostly younger players out there that will need to grow their bodies. Here was the senior leadership in 2018. Malik, Chad Allen - WR don't recall him playing, Danny Dominguez - FB don't recall him playing, Tyler Gauthier, Jahair Jones, Tyree St. Louis, Darrell Langham. As the young guys grow and improve we should be better down the line.
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I'l ask you the same question, when will we be top 30 in offense?
 
bear said:
Does not change the narrative of the point. We still had a bunch of underclass man playing offense.
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His first year was worse than golden’s last, with largely same players... just a year older.

There’s been no development anywhere on that side of the ball. Next year you’ll have the same result.
 
Unlike 2016 & 2017 season we have no leadership and very limited players with NFL type talent on offense

2016:
Walton, Gus Edwards, Kaaya, Coley, Njoku, Herndon, Berrios, Isidora

2017
Walton, Berrios, Richards, Herndon

2018
Maybe Homer & Thomas.

Just don't have enough mature talent on offense. None of the younger players stepped up.
 
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